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Ok I know where are the two drain plugs in the boat to let the water goes out. My problem is that water is trapped between the hull and the "black floor" in the ski locker but there is no way to drain it......will I have to make a hole in the ski locker floor like other guys did in this thread?Quote:
Originally Posted by jmvotto
I tought that Yz 2smoke had a drain plug in the ski locker floor to shop vac the water that is trapped there.
hans, I'm the one that started this thread and what you are describing is the issue of this thread (at least the original issue). As far as I know, there are only 2 ways to fix this: 1) make a hole in the locker floor and install a deck plate so that you can periodically shopvac the water out, or 2) make a larger hole in the floor, dry it all out, then reglass the floor and the very front of the locker floor where the water enters that space. I had option 2 done under warranty and so far I haven't noticed any water in that space since then. But the total bill (paid by SC) was well over $1,000. If I get water there again, I will likely opt for #1 as it took them 10 days to get the work done (lot's of time just drying out the boat), and it could recur. It looks like they did a really good job, but the shop and I both assumed we identified the source of the intrusion.
If you step and bouncing in the locker, does water squish out the very front of the locker, or have you figured out how it's getting in there?
When I step I can hear water behind the floor and water comes out by a small hole in the floor, like if there was a hole there that has been reglass....but in the locker there are two large holes in the walls where wire pass, so water can enter there.......I think it can be hard to prevent water to get in but it should drain...Quote:
Originally Posted by mnpracing
Would it be an option to drop another bilge pump in there? Enough room?
2005 mobius lsv 2900lbs ballast
My boat came with it; so it looks like I need to check my ski locker when I get home to see if I still have water trapped in there. I've never notcied water in there but I dont take the bag out either. I will check when I get home and post what i findQuote:
Originally Posted by hans
I put two extra bilge pumps in mine. I have three deck plates in total in the area in question as I could not get the water to easily get through the foam to the lowest point. obviously it would travel over time but I like to be able to get the water out quickly.
The bulge pumps work well although not perfect. They have to pump uphill quite a bit so some water falls back downhill when the pumps kick off.
I like knowing that I can get that water out when I need to without needing to get out the shop vac.
be real interesting to know if this is a problem in the newer models. Thought SC fixed this issue. Hope they were fibbing to us about the fix in the later models last year.
I have this "trapped water" issue with my Mobius V 2000.
Its been like this for the 5 years that I have owned the boat.
I just look at it as extra ballast...
It does get cold here in the UK in winter, so I guess it could freeze solid, but it hasn't before, so I'm not going to worry about it.
Just as a note, my friends 2004 X2 Mastercraft has exactly the same problem, neither of us worry.
Just keep boarding.......
Just not a good thing to have standing permanent water on fiberglass
I looked at mine the other day and I couldn’t tell if I had water under the ski locker or not. The center drain was still dry from me vacuuming it out a week before.
Even if you have trapped water your center drain will be dry....like mine. If you want to know if there is water open the ski locker, stand up on the floor ( in the ski locker) put your feet as forward as possible and jump...you will hear the water.Quote:
Originally Posted by yz 2smoke
My dealer was supposed to call me back for that problem but I m still waiting........................
I only have 1 drain....at the rear of the boat, no centre drain.
The water is stuck in there with no way to escape....I might have a look this weekend....but I don't want to spend days at it.
I don’t think I weigh enough to make it slosh, I tried jumping on it last night with the bow at different angles but I could hear anything. I need to get one of my bigger friends to come over and try.Quote:
Originally Posted by hans
Doesn't your basement locker have a drain that goes back to the bilge area? I get water in the basement regularly. Have ran the boat plowing nose high for a short ride to drain it, then put a cork in it before slowing back down. At home on the trailer I will lower the jack and the nose of the boat as far as it will got and let the water run in there intentionally, then vac it out with my Tsunami handheld. Or drive up and park on a hill for a few min while everything drains out the back.Quote:
Originally Posted by wolfstone
Sorry, yes, I have a hole running from the front ski locker to the rear engine compartment.
I don't have an actual drain plug in the centre of the boat (like some Mastercrafts).
I actually blocked up my hole from the front ski locker to the rear compartment, as it was always wet in the ski locker......
Now its my dry area, with a fatsac in place....(i say dry, but whenever it rains heavy, the rainwater from the front section of the cover seeps in to the front seating area, and down into the ski locker. (as my ski locker has no 'roof')
For those who put a deck plate in the ski locker did you put it in the front, in th middle or in the rear of the locker? I will have to do this but I don't know where to drill the hole
I put three deck plates in the ski locker (front, middle and rear). I found that the foam restricted the water from flowing back to the deepest point below the ski locker floor. I started with the first hole as far back to the stern as I could, but when I sucked the water out, there was still water sloshing further up front. I was amazed at how much water I got out of there each time I drilled a new access hole.
What deck plates size did you use? Is it possible to damage a stringer when you cut the floor? ( is there a stringer there)Quote:
Originally Posted by moombahighrider
Since you made the holes, is there a lot of water that goes under the ski locker floor each time you go on the water?
I do find water there more than I would like and it's not always cause I dip the bow. I struggle to make sense of it, but maybe I get some leakage from my ski locker bag? The other thought is that my bow lights (dock lights) are the culprit, but I usually don't roll that deep.
I used 4 or 5" plates, I don't remember exactly. I actually have Sahara pumps in two of the holes to auto suck out the water, so check the dimensions on those and that might tell you what I have, as the pumps fit in the opening, no problem.
No stringer down there at all.
Today I made a hole in the rear of the floor like the dealer suggest. Surprise.....no water there....everything s dry. So I made a hole in the front an a lot of water ( smelling bad) starts to get out. I ve shop vac 26 liters of water there. So now I think that something restricted the water from going in the back.....just foam or somethin else? Stringer?
Just foam. That is the same thing that I experienced. The foam is a closed cell type so it holds the water back really well. I actually shoved a glow rod (for fishing wires in walls) between all three holes and there was no compartment or anything separating that whole space.
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Ok, Found a definite hole. You can see a circle where the water is coming out. First I thought just water from bag so I wet vac it out. I started putting a rubber stopper between engine compartment an ski locker to Keep the water out.
Then I found this when putting the boat away for winter. One spot you can see where its blistered and water seeps thru.
The other is a round hole, where the water is flat draining out!
One picture shows after vac, the other pic with larger puddle is the next morning.....Wow!
I posted before because the water was coming from somewhere. Thats why I put plug in. Engine compartment would be dry, but water always ended up in ski locker. Plug helped all summer, but know I have a hole and more water
Now What? thinking of Rhino lining in the spring when it comes out of staorage.
2002 Mobius V
There has to be something wrong with the structure of the boat or design. All of us having the same issue.....
Whats up Skiers Choice? Can someone answer this question for us...
Too many of us with this issue.....
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Ok, Found a definite hole. You can see a circle where the water is coming out. First I thought just water from bag so I wet vac it out. I started putting a rubber stopper between engine compartment an ski locker to Keep the water out.
Then I found this when putting the boat away for winter. One spot you can see where its blistered and water seeps thru.
The other is a round hole, where the water is flat draining out!
One picture shows after vac, the other pic with larger puddle is the next morning.....Wow!
I posted before because the water was coming from somewhere. Thats why I put plug in. Engine compartment would be dry, but water always ended up in ski locker. Plug helped all summer, but know I have a hole and more water
Now What? thinking of Rhino lining in the spring when it comes out of storage.
2002 Mobius V
There has to be something wrong with the structure of the boat or design. All of us having the same issue.....
Whats up Skiers Choice? Can someone answer this question for us...
Too many of us with this issue.....
Rick - that basement compartment on ours has a pretty thin liner. The rear plug that drains into the bilge area (or under the floor?) is the only place mine has taken on water besides coming from a roller over the bow. Looks like your compartment has worn thin in at least one area.
Rhino liner may work but that stuff is pretty thin after it's on too. With gear and ballast riding on it I would think you need something a little more hardy to patch it. Not sure what though.
Before doing anything I'd find a nice steep hill to park on for a few hours and get that sucker totally drained...
yea probably a good idea! Probably need to have it glassed and patched properly..
I bought a used 2007 Outback V and was concerned when I read this post. Unfortunately, the boat sat outside uncovered on the dealers lot for about 2months until I bought it. I think thats where my water came from, but could be wrong. I pulled the sac and the mat from the ski locker and noticed I had water seeping up throughout the floor. I called Skier Choice and they told me to drill 5" hole, pull the insulation, dry it, once dry use spray foam to fill the hole, replace the fiberglass piece and fiberglass it back in. I don't want to do that because I won't know if water is getting back under the ski locker. I am going to re-fiberglass the whole ski locker and seal it. Then I am going to install a 5" water tight deck plate from Overton's. I think my water is coming down through the floor of ski locker, the fiberglass seems brittle in spots. I hope this correct this issue. SC was very nice and helpful, but would not admit this is known issue with this boat.
I'm a new Moomba owner and I suspect my boat has water in the same area as mentioned. Seems like an obvious place for water to gather considering the drop-keel. I've also wondered what good the drain plug in the back does considering it is nearly the highest point in the bilge when its sitting on the trailer on level ground.
At any rate, I'm not overly worried and I'm happy to do the deck plate mod and suck the water out. I read through this whole discussion (ok, skimmed) and don't recall seeing any mention of installing a drain plug at the bottom of the drop keel. Maybe on one side the of the keel an inch or so up, just to let the majority of the water out.
I'm in no hurry to drill holes in the bottom of my boat, but I wonder if anyone has taken this approach? I've seen a mid-ship drain plug installed between the tracking fins...
What year and model is your boat? There is a mid-ship drain plug now, but not sure what model year that was started.
'02 Outback LSV. Definitely no mid-ship drain. I'm just wondering if that would be a good solution for the trapped water thing? Not sure I want to put one in yet, just hoping to hear from anyone that might have tried it.
started with 2009 OBV - if I remember rightQuote:
Originally Posted by tarheelskier
try a search as someone did do this. had to be pretty precise with the drilling and work between the skegs on the bottom of the boat.Quote:
Originally Posted by jnb0y
ideal loction would be at the bottom of the drop portion on the keel. my 2013 center drain is located inbetween the skegs which is higher than that the drop keel portion, so that would not really solve the issue of water trapped in the keel
Precisely. I think its a good idea but I don't want to do it first!Quote:
ideal loction would be at the bottom of the drop portion on the keel. my 2013 center drain is located inbetween the skegs which is higher than that the drop keel portion, so that would not really solve the issue of water trapped in the keel
EDIT: I should say I think the drain between the skegs is a good spot as well. That is the low point in the bilge/fuel tank area when on the trailer. I understand there is a semi-permeable barrier (partially sealed bulkhead??) between that area and the area of the drop keel. I'd say if a guy was going to get excited about adding drain plugs he would want to add both. Might even help minimize the water under the locker.
Gabby. Not sure I would waste my time glassing the floor, the water can come in from a void in the bow tip at the front of the locker. Sc knows about this issue. I did the deck plate and just drained it regularly .Quote:
Originally Posted by Gabbyg88
Joe - thanks for the advice. I been thinking about it alot and I have decided to just put down a layer of 6oz. fiberglass mat on the floor of the ski locker. I am not going to try and re-fiberglass the whole ski locker and seal it. I agree with you it will be a waste of time and money trying to re-fiberglass the whole ski locker. The only reason I am laying fiberglass on the floor is for strength and will only be doing the area I reach, I don't like when I stepped into the locker I heard cracking.Quote:
Gabby. Not sure I would waste my time glassing the floor, the water can come in from a void in the bow tip at the front of the locker. Sc knows about this issue. I did the deck plate and just drained it regularly .
"Me too"... but with a twist.
I would strongly advise anyone with this era of boat to cut out a deck plate and the foam down to the hull, even if you don't see any signs of it. I think it's very likely that you have this issue.
I had no indication that my boat had this issue. Standing/jumping in the ski locker didn't produce any squishes or other signs of trapped water. But given how many people have this issue, and the fact that I haven't read a single "not me", I decided to cut an inspection hole/deck plate anyways. I figured I would end up doing it some time in the future to put my mind at ease, so I might as well do it now.
As I drilled and then cut out the foam, everything was bone-dry. But then suddenly, I broke away a piece of foam giving a gap to bottom and it was like hitting oil! The water started to flow. The water was not trapped between the foam and the underside of the ski locker, it was trapped between the foam and the hull. I sucked out about 2 gallons of water and gained peace of mind knowing that I'm putting the boat away totally dry.
A big thanks to the forum on this. This is great communal knowledge. Without it, I wouldn't have known about the problem or the solution.
i know i said a big me too a bunch of years ago, including cracks and holes in the ski locker floor... lack of free time and storing all winter hasn't left me time to put the deck cover in... boat is home a bit earlier this year so i just ordered one off amazon.ca... also removing the carpet from the floor in the rear lockers as well.. weeks after not using the boat, carpet is still damp.. glad to finally remove it.
What adhesive works best on the port cover.
I used a bit of the 3M 5200 marine adhesive because I was doing a thru-hull and it was easy. That area below the locker isn't perfectly sealed (the real root of the problem) so I don't think you really need to put any adhesive there. A silicone sealant would probably work nicely too.
Can anyone suggest how far from rear of ski Locker to put the Hole?
jeez, i'm having a heck of a time finding a 4.5" hole saw for this access hole... Home Depot wants like $50...not spending that for 1 cut.. hehQuote:
Originally Posted by spyder