Got er installed. Just need some half way decent weather.
Rest of the upgrades are located here.
https://forum.moomba.com/showthread....ba-Mojo/page17
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Got er installed. Just need some half way decent weather.
Rest of the upgrades are located here.
https://forum.moomba.com/showthread....ba-Mojo/page17
http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/u...ps9744efb5.jpg
is it through-bolted with a nut on the inside of the boat, or just lag bolts?
2 thru bolts on the topQuote:
Originally Posted by mnpracing
4 lag bolts on the bottom
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Originally Posted by rbeckner27
Mike did they cut your two through bolts into your rear lockers? Mine were too long so the shop double nutted the bolt to prevent it from damaging my rear sacs. I am contemplating just pulling the nuts off and cut them myself or build a cover of some sort.
Definintely don't want your nuts sticking out too far and damaging the fun bags...Quote:
Originally Posted by rbeckner27
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HAHAHA I honestly didn't look. I will have to take a peek.
You might have more fun if you ask Claudia to do that.
I knew I was setting myself up but I couldn't keep myself from saying double nutted.
Back on the subject of cost... I saw this on dealer connect...
"Parts orders for Swell Systems are $495 plus shipping, and the dealer supplies the installation labor"
I still feel like I'm being taken on the Flow at the current price point. I would have to think that the R&D and part cost would be much higher on the Swell than on the Flow.
I'll probably pony up the cash next season anyway...
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Originally Posted by uniwarking
I haven't asked my dealer direct about the Swell cost, but I was told when it came out it was 3K for it.
I can't say the exact cost on my Flow due to my deals.
I did pay around 1K and its 2 hours install.
1k installed makes more sense.
Lots of margin on these add-on components.
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Can you elaborate a little on where you saw this info please. I am not 100% convinced that doing the upgrade on my LSV when this is available will be worth it. I will absolutely have to see it to believe it. The swell on the other hand looks like it has much more surface area in the water. I could see buying that and installing it on the LSV even if its more money. If I need to still mess around with filling and emptying sides to surf then whats the point.
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www.scdealerconnect.com
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FLOW & SWELL are two different types of systems and you can't add SWELL to a Moomba. We will have a Mojo wth FLOW at the Southern Surfest, so sign up for a clinic and ride it. FLOW works as it hinders the convergence of the wake directly behind the boat. Check out pics of the NSS system as it also has very little overall surface area.
I recommend demoing the Flow before coming to any conclusions on it based off of looks. It works and you don't need to empty ballast on either side, just deploy it and go. Also, Drew is right. If you want the Swell then you'll have to get a Supra. Likewise, Supra owners who don't want to pony up the extra cash for the Swell can't install the FLOW on their boats.Quote:
Originally Posted by chadjitsu1
So the wake will be just as big as it is now when I have it tilted to one side? I need to go out and test one but I don't see how that's a replacement for loading up one side of the boat.
There is no replacement for displacement, however, sinking the entire boat with all of your ballast also displaces a lot of water as well instead of the traditional method of just one side. I recommend taking one out and seeing the Flow yourself. I have and it's pretty impressive for being such a small system.
Here's a video of the engineer who designed it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnOYHrtsydE
Honestly I'm hoping that I get a chance to test them all side-by-side this year. I would imagine that Active Water Sports will have most if not all of the surf systems (obviously not MC) at their Demo days. They carry Moomba Flow, Supra Swell, Nautique NSS, and Malibu Surfgate.Quote:
I recommend demoing the Flow before coming to any conclusions on it based off of looks. It works and you don't need to empty ballast on either side, just deploy it and go. Also, Drew is right. If you want the Swell then you'll have to get a Supra. Likewise, Supra owners who don't want to pony up the extra cash for the Swell can't install the FLOW on their boats.
I've already ridden the G23 with the NSS, but honestly it was when I was quite a NOOB and really can't speak to much other than it was smooth and I liked it.
I have a sneaky suspension my Mojo will be the demo boat with the Flow. Last year we used our boat for the Demo on the Mojo Surf because they had no Mojo at the dealer.Quote:
Originally Posted by trayson
Mobius I'm with you on the no replacement for displacement but when you think of whats going on, Normally we would run 1500 rear regular, then 1500 total in front for 3K.
Now we will run 3000 in the rear and 1500 in front. Then deploy the Flow boat will sit almost level and have a massive long wave.
Mike, Do you know when demo days is yet? I cannot wait to see the Swell and Flow systems in action.
Mike how are you getting 3k in the rear?
Enzo sacks on both lt and rt sides.Quote:
Originally Posted by rbeckner27
DittoQuote:
Originally Posted by Boonejeepin
I have 2 Enzo 1500s, one on each side, and they fill completely up.
I then have the 500 hard in the center
650 Bow Sac
and I use a 450 in the walk way under the center seat
Technically 3150 plus crew, golf cart batteries, stereo, and BEER!!!
Jester I haven't heard yet but I will let you know when they say a date. Normally its the 2nd or 3rd Saturday of the month
I sent them messages on their two FB pages. Haven't heard anything back from them... It's in May, right? I remember it was just after I'd bought my boat last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by mmandley
Mike have you slammed it that hard and wakeboarded?
Did the Mojo go to a bag for bow weight in the newest models? I thought the first Mojo's had a hard tank for front ballast.Quote:
Originally Posted by mmandley
I really hope this thing works because I absolutely despise moving water from one side to the other. There is always someone on the boat that is a goofy footer so you waste a lot of time moving water around.
I run 1100's in each rear locker 400 in the ski locker and IBS in the nose I would love to just fill everything up and flip the gate and be done with it. Actually I would love to just go with the exact weight that I wakeboard at and flip the surf gate out.
I fully understand that there is no replacement for displacement but i get very freaked out having the boat leaning to one side down to the rub rails mostly when coming off throttle and turning. I always have a few freak out internal panic attacks toward the beginning of the year especially when people start moving around with that kind of weight in the boat.
Has anyone ever had a bad experience with leaning the boat, is it possible that it will roll over in the water? I know it feels that way.
Mike does not wakeboard. Correction. He gets up on the wakeboard one time a year then goes "Forget this were is my surf board".Quote:
Originally Posted by New Guy
That's the fun part. Start freaking out the rest of the crew "OMG! OMG!"Quote:
Originally Posted by chadjitsu1
Center of gravity w/ engine/tranny would be too low to flip I'd think. Taking a big roller over the rear sundeck has a pretty serious pucker factor though.Quote:
Originally Posted by chadjitsu1
Not to my knowledge. I think stock ballast is 1300 in the rear and 500 hard tank up front. You can connect an IBS to the hard tank though with minimal effortQuote:
Originally Posted by mnpracing
The IBS is a 650 soft bag, I have mine wired with a separate pump.Quote:
Originally Posted by mnpracing
Factory Mojo is 650s rear 500 hard tank upfront.
Jester is pretty correct, Although I can get out on a wake board anytime I want, I just suck mice nutts at it. I just have not been able to get the whole thing down.
I can ride switch, side slide, transition in and out of switch and I ride mostly on the Port side of the wave and in the middle. When I go starboard I tend to feel off balance and crash pretty soon LOL.
I do get out and wake board a few times per year but I prefer Surfing. I have been trying to wake skate more but I am having problems getting up.
Any news on when / will the Flow be released for LSV boats?
Bump!
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Talked to my dealer last week,still in the testing phase,could be awhile, he really hasnt been given a time table from SC so could be a month could be three,I dont think I am going to be putting one on this year so I think I am just going to upgrade to the 1100`s and the IBS and wait to see how the flow works on the LSV and its cheaper,could somebody PM me the discount code at wakemakers so I can get to plumbing. Thanks
Anybody surf the flow yet? I just dropped my boat at the dealer today to have it installed.
We got out and did some testing yesterday but we had some issues getting the sacs filled up properly so I believe that was the biggest issue but from what I saw yesterday I am still waiting to be impressed
Testing Phase. You should check into being part of the test.
Spent the first day on the water with the Moomba Flow.
This being said, I have not formed my official thoughts, as this is only the first day and I need to get more testing done. Same as when we got the Mojo last year it took a few outings to get her dialed in.
Initially we did exactly as I have said to people we SACED it out.
1500 both rear corners, 1500 in the nose via 500 hard tank 650 IBS and 450 walkthrough.
Boat did not like it at all, she was turning 3800 RPMs and growling like a beast.
Wave would not form up at all really. You could see it was too much weight for the Flow.
I started draining the Goofy bag in 25% increments to see when the wave would come up.
Once we got down to 50% apx 750 the Regular wave did start to clean up but still washy. RPMs droped down to 3200
Kept draining the goofy bag and basically went to 0% on it. Wave was cleaned up. Flow still deployed.
Moved our Fat Girl <450 Sumo bag> to Regular side in the bow.
I surfed it and it felt really nice, wave was still huge and beefy, lots of power.
The thing is this is our normal setup. So I really can't say if the Flow is doing anything on my Regular side.
We then went goofy, and learning what we did on the Regular side, we just set up the boat as normal.
1500 Goofy, 500 hard tank 650 IBS and rolled Fat Girl to Starboard side of the bow.
Ran the boat at 2900 RPM and the wave came right up, looks longer to me then last year, which would mean the Flow is helping. Claudia and Curtis surf goofy so they did there thing. Claudia really liked it, Curtis was over joyed.
Watching Curtis surf < I have Video > the wave looks to be longer and smooth like I like it.
I'm on the fence at this point about Flow because I want to put my 900s in and try that out.
What I saw with the flow is the tabs are not designed to be deep in the water, and deploying the opposite side tab does what they say in changing the convergence of the water under the boat.
Sinking the tabs with big ballast like I run, I think the tab is too low to really change that convergence.
Weighting the boat as we normally do allows the boat to roll over and essentially bring that tab back to the water depth it likes. I could have tried just running my bags at a lower % but because they are so long the water weight will be shifting, and I want the weight concentrated in the rear of the locker since thats how other would be doing it.
Stay tuned as we do more testing of the next few outings.
In these two goofy side pics, if you look at the Regular corner you can see a Rooster Tail flying across to the Goofy wave, its not effecting the quality just the visual. i think this is telling me I can sink it a little more but we where running out of daylight. More testing LOL. it does this on my Regular side as well.
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http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/u...ps56b6eba4.jpg
Why didn't you do a run with flow, then take the 10 seconds to undo the flow and have an instant contrast?
Because at the point we where at the flow wasn't working as intended. We are already A ll the way back to our normal surfing. The goal with the flow is level boat and instant regular and goofy surfing.Quote:
Originally Posted by trayson