Moomba Flow The new Wake Enhancement Device

This is one of the better pictures that I've seen for the flow. I've also seen one in person. Here's what I'm curious about:

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Is it only thru bolted to the hull in the 3 spots? Or is there hardware that I'm not seeing that attaches the base to the hull beyond that is visible from the face?

If it's only thru bolted in the 3 spots (not on the spring loaded pin), then does that mean that the blade is really being held on by pretty much the one bolt that it pivots on and the tension provided by the two bolts that sandwich the backing and the face plate around the blade?

I'd love to see an installation instruction for this once someone gets their hands on it...

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Originally Posted by trayson

This is one of the better pictures that I've seen for the flow. I've also seen one in person. Here's what I'm curious about:

Is it only thru bolted to the hull in the 3 spots? Or is there hardware that I'm not seeing that attaches the base to the hull beyond that is visible from the face?

If it's only thru bolted in the 3 spots (not on the spring loaded pin), then does that mean that the blade is really being held on by pretty much the one bolt that it pivots on and the tension provided by the two bolts that sandwich the backing and the face plate around the blade?

I'd love to see an installation instruction for this once someone gets their hands on it...

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There is a mounting block that is screwed to the hull that you are not seeing in the above image.

The outer plate you see is screwed to the mounting block pinching the plate that moves.

Go back a page to post #198 for a better image of the assembly.

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Originally Posted by mcdye

There is a mounting block that is screwed to the hull that you are not seeing in the above image.

The outer plate you see is screwed to the mounting block pinching the plate that moves.

Go back a page to post #198 for a better image of the assembly.

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Right, that's a great picture of the base. Like I said, I've seen the thick rear mounting block in person. I wasn't sure if that had hardware that was mounting it to the hull independently of the 3 pieces that mount the face to the block. Basically it seems like the "blade" is mounted with the one pivot point bolt and then is kept in with the sandwich effect of the face piece.

I guess I was curious if I was missing something.

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Originally Posted by trayson

Right, that's a great picture of the base. Like I said, I've seen the thick rear mounting block in person. I wasn't sure if that had hardware that was mounting it to the hull independently of the 3 pieces that mount the face to the block. Basically it seems like the "blade" is mounted with the one pivot point bolt and then is kept in with the sandwich effect of the face piece.

I guess I was curious if I was missing something.

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The mounting block is held on by 4 bolts. The top 2 are thru bolted with nuts and washers. The bottom 2 are lag bolts since they are below the locker floor.

Joe is right but there are 4 lag bolts on the bottom not just two
The blade is held in place by the big bottom pivot pin and the spring loaded pin. It is sandwiched between the mounting plate and the outer plate. There is a spacer plate on the interior side of the assembly to maintain the spacing created by the blade on the outer side which is held in place by the two bolts on the interior side.

I asked Saturday about it for lsv...... Said he had not heard a date yet... But expected it by mid to end of summer..... I have know idea of any credibility that he had...

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I am still blown away by what they are charging for this. I don't know..uhm..$100? worth of material and manufacturing on this thing....by the looks of it they didn't do any costly development..like I said before it just looks cheap but I think powder coating the outer plate the same color as the boat would help.

I would agree about the cost the only challenging part about the machining is the mounting plate to boat contour match up but I am sure they obviously have the CAD model for the hull mold, so just cut a section from the model and make that your mating contour on your bracket and your all set with no real additional design work necessary with regards to that part.
What will be interesting is to see if folks start making there own blade designs to tweak the wake since the concept is simple to swap them out. The only concern I have about this would be exceeding the pull out force on the mounting plate.

Yup, the price tag is hard to swallow... certainly understand. Markup for parts, crazy install cost. I really wanted to put this on my boat but I'm not thinking it will happen this year. I'll spend my $1750 somewhere else.

It would not be hard to duplicate or make something similar. You won't find anything similar as I am sure SC has a patent on the design.

Perhaps, but I'm sure you would all be completely shocked at the investment required for the engineering and overhead to go from concept to prototype to finished product. Once again, Kudos to SC for coming up with a simple, effective design that has everybody talking.

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Originally Posted by bergermaister

Perhaps, but I'm sure you would all be completely shocked at the investment required for the engineering and overhead to go from concept to prototype to finished product. Once again, Kudos to SC for coming up with a simple, effective design that has everybody talking.

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This is quite true. I work in industry so I deal with these things on a continual basis. R&D has to be recouped in piece price or it's not worthwhile.

At the same time, I would have to assume the R&D for this specific solution is far less than the other systems out there.

There also seems to be a huge range in part cost and installation cost which would indicate there is a fair amount of margin to work with on the dealer side.

If I had unlimited funds, there is no doubt I'd have the Flow installed now. I'm excited to hear some "real world" experiences!


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I have to slightly justify the price to myself...

Design work = Cad, Testing, actual water testing, Patent Costs.
Tooling to make the parts
Assembly to make it functional
First Year Production Costs
and then the fact its connected to a BOAT

OK I can justify spending 1-1,300 now.

Seriously there is a lot of costs involved in production of something new. I have spent a lot of time talking to Brian and all the costs that go into Speakers, amps, ZLDs, tooling, shipping, frieght, licensing, patents, and all that.

Its not as simple as drawing a picture, go to your CNC machine in the shop and making the part.

I know they had the Swell in design and testing back in 2012 and it just now came out to the public, I wouldn't be surprised to hear the Flow was in design just as long.

You all have to remember that the tower on your boat has patent royalty costs that is still in effect today. Wait a few years and other companies will come out with a flow device that either doesn't infringe on the patent or royalities paid to the patent owner. You can reverse engineer and fabricate anything as long as it is for your own use.

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Originally Posted by jstenger

The mounting block is held on by 4 bolts. The top 2 are thru bolted with nuts and washers. The bottom 2 are lag bolts since they are below the locker floor.

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Originally Posted by rbeckner27

Joe is right but there are 4 lag bolts on the bottom not just two
The blade is held in place by the big bottom pivot pin and the spring loaded pin. It is sandwiched between the mounting plate and the outer plate. There is a spacer plate on the interior side of the assembly to maintain the spacing created by the blade on the outer side which is held in place by the two bolts on the interior side.

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Thanks. That's exactly the type of info I was interested in.

If anyone is interested I might be able to take my mounting plate to work and have them scan the part with our laser scanning CMM to create a 3D model of it for someone looking to make the part themselves.

I'll take it! Thought about buying one and making it fit my 02 lsv...

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Originally Posted by bergermaister

Perhaps, but I'm sure you would all be completely shocked at the investment required for the engineering and overhead to go from concept to prototype to finished product. Once again, Kudos to SC for coming up with a simple, effective design that has everybody talking.

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I've been involved in new product development my whole career...

For a complex design I would agree with you 100%..but this is far from a complex design..rather simple...and they don't need to recover all their development costs in one year..pricing is egregious..just my opinion. It should be priced no higher than $500 with simple installation instructions.

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Originally Posted by brad460

I've been involved in new product development my whole career...

For a complex design I would agree with you 100%..but this is far from a complex design..rather simple...and they don't need to recover all their development costs in one year..pricing is egregious..just my opinion. It should be priced no higher than $500 with simple installation instructions.

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I agree 100%

Geez.... not picking on you guys but here are my thoughts.....

We have all these companies that have brought out wakesurf enhancement devices in the last few years... they all are fancy higher end devices that cost a heck of a lot more than the flow does and have more potential for failure (ie: electrical etc). So what does moomba do?? they come out with a simplistic design to offer to their boating customers that has everything you need and nothing more at a real cost effective price and were grinding them on it? I was so pumped that SC came out with the flow and I for one love its simplicity. I laugh at my buddy that bought a 2013 Malibu VLX and cant have the surfgate retro'd onto it.... not only did moomba take care of their new customers they are going to take care of their previous customers as well....

my 2C

geoff

Be nice if they'd give some details about the older hulls/boats

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I would love to put this on my LSV, any updates on that?

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Originally Posted by snyderaaron

I would love to put this on my LSV, any updates on that?

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your hull is the same as the 14's, should fit no problem, us LSV owners are just stuck waiting a little longer is all

A couple of borrowed pics of the Flow on a Mojo. Not sure of ballast setup.http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/15/u8e4e5aq.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/15/repe7a4a.jpg

Greg needs to lose that beard. LOL. Not feelin the lumberjack look.

Hey man - it's my winter look! I'll go back to the handlebar mustache for spring ;)

Thought on it?

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Thought on it?

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I wasn't there. Pics stolen from Facebook.

I asked AWS about the ballast setup in that Mooba pictured above. This is what they had to say:

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"This was factory and two bags under seats in bow, a horshoebag would be perfect up front. Move one person to side your surfing."

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Thats Greg Waters not Greg Berg LOL.

I spoke to Waters after Greg said only 2 people in the boat, Driver and him, so he wanted another on the surf side.
Also Push was real good, had both factory rears filled, weight in the bow is Key, he was able to surf way farther back then normal.

My boat goes in Monday for the upgrades, so you can bet when i get her back we will be going out and getting pics, some video, and rolling old school lean, then new school Flow for comparisons.

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Originally Posted by mmandley

Thats Greg Waters not Greg Berg LOL.

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How could you tell? They resemble each other so much.

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Originally Posted by mmandley

Thats Greg Waters not Greg Berg

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You don't think I know that? :o

I gave Greg crap at the boat show too about his lumberjack beard.

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How could you tell? They resemble each other so much.

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Height LOL.

Trayson I know buddy, I wasn't saying you didn't know LOL.

Boat is officially in the shop for upgrades.

New Black Letters
2014 Stainless Steel swim deck brackets
Moomba Flow

Also getting a few minor warrenty issue fixed

Never have so many been so interested in another man's work... :)

Like others, I can't wait to see your pics, videos, etc., on how the Flow works!!

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/18/ve9ypama.jpg
The is a view from the front as it would go on the boat

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View from the top showing the curvature

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Side view from outside edge.

Install instructions
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Kind of hard to read the instructions, but it doesn't look overly complicated -- are you going to attempt the install yourself?

No as I have been told twice by skiers choice that it will void the hull warranty

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Got the system installed today. Wasn't able to get any accurate dimensions as I could not get my gauge lab folks very motivated to take them for me and I got tired of waiting. Hoping to take it out and test it some here in the next couple of weeks before it gets warm enough to actually be in the water. My goal is to have the weighting figured out before we get to prime time.

It took the shop 2hrs to install the system as it was there first one. The left side looks awesome, but the right side they didn't do as nice of a job finding the contour of the boat. However they measure the exact same distance form the platform mounts so maybe the mounting plates are 100% perfect. Anyways I am going to get some white silicon adhesive and fill the slight gap on the right side.
Can't wait to try it out.