Mask Mandate

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Originally Posted by 2in2out

Social differences between Sweden and the US are kind of a apples and pears comparison. Similar on the outside, but very different. But you have to have sustained immunity for herd immunity. When vaccinated immunity only lasts for 1-2 years, and non-vaccinated immunity is 2-4 months, herd immunity is only achievable when you completely close every community. It is an ill informed approach to a novel pathogen. We need to strike the term “herd immunity” from the narrative.

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That may be so, not concerned about the actual words used.

Wondering if one approach has been worse than the other....did they end up in a worse place after all this? I am literally asking.

But I agree that the USA has been boned like a barncat from step one, because of the level of individuality to which we are accustomed (even kind of celebrated), and the wide differences in social, political factions. It’s the worst place for a pandemic in the history of the world.


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Originally Posted by parrothd

The one where I don't die or anyone I care about dies or gets sick, I know selfish..

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I am trying and I have no clue what you’re meaning here.

I don’t think anyone anywhere is interested in dying or having loved ones die.


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Originally Posted by parrothd

The one where I don't die or anyone I care about dies or gets sick, I know selfish..

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This!!! Wearing a mask is a simple task. Sanitizing and washing hands is the greatest means of stopping disease spread period. Spatial distancing still allows for socialization. These are not unreasonable expectations, and I am not sorry for expecting that kind of behavior.

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Originally Posted by 2in2out

This!!! Wearing a mask is a simple task. Sanitizing and washing hands is the greatest means of stopping disease spread period. Spatial distancing still allows for socialization. These are not unreasonable expectations, and I am not sorry for expecting that kind of behavior.

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The greatest means of stopping this virus is not going near each other. Ever.

Washing hands, wearing masks—-might help a very little, but let’s be honest about how to stop this spread. It’s lockdown.

Can we lock this country down? I can survive it. No problem. But can the nation? At what cost?

It’s literally a lose lose situation. There’s no remedy.

I am happy wearing a mask. Doesn’t bother me. Actually do all day every day in the hospital. But your average redneck out in the sticks can’t be trusted to wear a mask properly. And even so, as long as things are open, schools are open, spread is going to continue.

As terrible as things are here in the Dakotas right now, we still have hospital beds. We are actually succeeding still at the original goal: flattening the curve enough to not completely overwhelm the healthcare system.

Somewhere along the way, flattening the curve has morphed into an expectation of stopping the virus. Which is a pipe dream. It’s the most unstoppable force in nature: a virus with bad intentions.

If we want to slow this bad boy with any degree of success, we need to lock this bad boy down, hard. And even at that, is that a success?

It’s a damned pickle. I respect everyone on both sides. They have passion, and even decent reasons. It’s a matter of what is practical. And there’s no one size fits all answer.


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The only person I know (personally) that has had it twice is an essential worker in a lab. Has been masked like a banshee from day one, and has been completely unwilling to go out anywhere in public, and doesn’t have kids or a spouse.

Masked, isolated. Since the beginning. Has had covid twice now.

Unstoppable.


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Perhaps if we had accurate statistics and data along with honest media, the virus wouldn’t be as scary.

I think we lost that opportunity.

The current narrative feels like Thanos snapping his fingers.


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Originally Posted by larry_arizona

Perhaps if we had accurate statistics and data along with honest media, the virus wouldn’t be as scary.

I think we lost that opportunity.

The current narrative feels like Thanos snapping his fingers.


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Salient point. There’s no basis of unbiased information.


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Originally Posted by dakota4ce

Wondering if one approach has been worse than the other....did they end up in a worse place after all this? I am literally asking.

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I think there are so many differences between the countries that it is hard to say. They have a statistically healthier society, less poverty, a more homogenous populous, more healthcare infrastructure, and a collectivist culture. Given how the virus spreads, I think their social factors make them more resilient during times such as these.

The US has so many factors that cause virus spread and increase fatality rates. Partisanship played a significant role, and a fundamental lack of federal leadership and uncoordinated response made matters worse.

Ultimately I think Sweden will fair better, but not because of their tactic to handle the pandemic. If you were to equate Sweden to a person, they are a 24 yo in shape female with no genetic predisposition, who works from home and has a small social circle, top tier healthcare, a well paying job that is insulated from large local or global economic shifts. The US is an unemployed, overweight black male with type A blood that has hypertension, COPD, and diabetes that lives in an apartment in the hood. They aren’t the same and one will have a higher probability of fairing better.

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Originally Posted by 2in2out

I think there are so many differences between the countries that it is hard to say. They have a statistically healthier society, less poverty, a more homogenous populous, more healthcare infrastructure, and a collectivist culture. Given how the virus spreads, I think their social factors make them more resilient during times such as these.

The US has so many factors that cause virus spread and increase fatality rates. Partisanship played a significant role, and a fundamental lack of federal leadership and uncoordinated response made matters worse.

Ultimately I think Sweden will fair better, but not because of their tactic to handle the pandemic. If you were to equate Sweden to a person, they are a 24 yo in shape female with no genetic predisposition, who works from home and has a small social circle, top tier healthcare, a well paying job that is insulated from large local or global economic shifts. The US is an unemployed, overweight black male with type A blood that has hypertension, COPD, and diabetes that lives in an apartment in the hood. They aren’t the same and one will have a higher probability of fairing better.

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Maybe after covid weeds out all the weaklings we can be a in shape 24 year old female too...


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So quick question on immunity since I’m admittedly ignorant. Would continued exposure to the virus after you have had it and still in the stage where you have enough antibodies to be immune prolong the immunity? Like if you gave your body a reason to keep producing antibodies would it do it or would it not help?


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