Wake Differences

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Originally Posted by Ian Brantford

My dealer gave me a similar story when I was getting ready to buy. What he really meant was that he'd really like me to pay full list price and to please not check with any other dealers.

So, I recommend that you present yourself as a new customer to some other dealer and see if the prices match.

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Here I'll throw out the numbers that were given to me. For a new 2011 XLV with the same features as my 2009 XLV the list price was around 62K-65K. New LSV same features 53K-55K. New Outback V same features 48K-51K. APPROXIMATE trade-in for my boat 38K. I bought mine in 2009 for 51K with the list price at 57K. I did speak to a couple different dealers. I was just surprised they went up that much in less than two years. With all that being said I did this over the phone and not in person. I might need to wait until the boat show incentives come around.

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Originally Posted by Lawdog

Here I'll throw out the numbers that were given to me. For a new 2011 XLV with the same features as my 2009 XLV the list price was around 62K-65K. New LSV same features 53K-55K. New Outback V same features 48K-51K. APPROXIMATE trade-in for my boat 38K. I bought mine in 2009 for 51K with the list price at 57K. I did speak to a couple different dealers. I was just surprised they went up that much in less than two years. With all that being said I did this over the phone and not in person. I might need to wait until the boat show incentives come around.

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Might want to look for a previous year leftover IF they have options/features and a decent color left. I got my '08 XLV new in Sept '09 (boat stored indoors at dealer so no worries about sun exposure) for $42,300 (tower speakers and GGIII ballast).

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Originally Posted by KSmith

I tried the shop around method prior to buying my OBV, the dealers I talked to in Florida wouldn't even talk to me about a current model year boat, they said they were under restrictions from SC on selling current model years to customers that were not part of the dealers franchise area... they said they would dicker on any older Moombas they had in stock...

Perhaps I was mislead... wouldn't be the first time ;-)

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Nope, you were not mislead. The dealers (at least in the US) are provided with protected territories.

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Originally Posted by Lawdog

Here I'll throw out the numbers that were given to me. For a new 2011 XLV with the same features as my 2009 XLV the list price was around 62K-65K. New LSV same features 53K-55K. New Outback V same features 48K-51K. APPROXIMATE trade-in for my boat 38K. I bought mine in 2009 for 51K with the list price at 57K. I did speak to a couple different dealers. I was just surprised they went up that much in less than two years. With all that being said I did this over the phone and not in person. I might need to wait until the boat show incentives come around.

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Tough numbers for sure, but EVERYTHING has gone up in price. Just read a Wall Street Journal article last week that stated that, versus a year ago, mile now cost almost 5% more, beef almost 8% more and egggs almost 12% more. Input costs continue to rise and manufacturers are forced to pass them along. I'm sure SC has taken huge commodity increases due to the rise in petroleum whch drives the price of resins, etc.

who cares if the wake is clean 18 and below?? if you are riding that slow you aren't clearing the wake, you are learning and could ride just as well behind a fishing boat so what does it matter??? its far more important to have a clean wake 22 and above at actual wakeboarding speeds. Thats what a wakeboard boat is designed for. If you want a training boat for children, I suggest a zodiac. That's what I learned on, worked absolutely fine.

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Originally Posted by Lawdog

I was just surprised they went up that much in less than two years.

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There has been market consolidation. At the beginning of the recession, there was oversupply and bargains galore. During the recession, weaker players failed. Now sellers are trying to come back and are vying for more profits. So, list prices have gone up. That doesn't mean that carefully negotiated selling prices have to be much higher than before.

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With all that being said I did this over the phone and not in person. I might need to wait until the boat show incentives come around.

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If you know someone in the area of a competing dealer, that person might be able to find out what prices are actually available. However, the best thing to do is to remind yourself that you merely "want" a different model and are not desperate for one. In the autumn or during the winter boat shows is when the pressure to sell at a bargain will be highest. This is especially true if we get a double-dip recession.

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Originally Posted by wolfeman131

[...] I'm sure SC has taken huge commodity increases due to the rise in petroleum whch drives the price of resins, etc.

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I was given the same song and dance when I was getting ready to buy. Increases in the cost of certain supplies don't mean that gouging at the retail sales level has to be tolerated by a buyer who can afford to wait.

Buying a new boat was the only experience that I have had as a consumer where the sellers put on airs of being offended that I would even consider an alternate vendor for the same product. Some retailers and distributors have run into legal trouble for it in other industries. It's very odd. With individual dealers of the same brand being protected from competition, the only thing that a comparison shopper can do is to visit a dealer of a competing brand. Before, there was no direct competitor to Moomba, but now there is. I wish that SC would understand this.

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Originally Posted by wolfeman131

Nope, you were not mislead. The dealers (at least in the US) are provided with protected territories.

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Ah good. As a consumer I can be a bit put off by that I suppose as it makes it more difficult to wheel and deal. From a business perspective I applaud such protections for a dealer or franchise owner. Besides, after some covert shopping it seems they are all within a reasonable range. Sure I got some cheaper prices mentioned during my special ops research, but if I were to take into account gas for the truck both ways and in most cases a motel for a night or two, it really was too close to call...

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Originally Posted by yager97

who cares if the wake is clean 18 and below?? if you are riding that slow you aren't clearing the wake, you are learning and could ride just as well behind a fishing boat so what does it matter??? its far more important to have a clean wake 22 and above at actual wakeboarding speeds. Thats what a wakeboard boat is designed for. If you want a training boat for children, I suggest a zodiac. That's what I learned on, worked absolutely fine.

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You must have been typing fast and must have meant that YOU cant clear the wake at 18 mph and YOU need to be doing 22 mph to clear the wake. I can personally clear the wake at slower speeds with NO BALLAST not because I'm that awesome but my technique is good. My apologies if my 8 year is not a wakeboarding phenom such as yourself.

My technique sucks and I can clear the wake at 18. I will usually regret it shortly after touchdown and just after my face is brutally introduced to the surface of the water, but it is nice smooth water outside the wake at least...

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Originally Posted by yager97

who cares if the wake is clean 18 and below?? if you are riding that slow you aren't clearing the wake, you are learning and could ride just as well behind a fishing boat so what does it matter??? its far more important to have a clean wake 22 and above at actual wakeboarding speeds. Thats what a wakeboard boat is designed for. If you want a training boat for children, I suggest a zodiac. That's what I learned on, worked absolutely fine.

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My 9 year old has no problem going W2W at 18mph (PP SG) with no ballast, sometimes a little slower if he's doing surface tricks than all of a sudden sweeps out and goes w2w before I speed up....I'm really not sure where your comment is coming from or what the intention is....do you always blame your equipment if you can't do something?