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Yes. 2017 was first year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoebox
So since this will not work on the 2017 Supra, is it going to actually work on the 2017 moomba?Quote:
Originally Posted by moombahighrider
Yes, because I have the 2018 software. Not sure if that’s what you are asking, but the boat has all the wiring needed for the 2018 commectionsQuote:
Originally Posted by 98outback
That’s what I meant. Since it wouldn’t work on Supra just wondering that although it hooked up to the moomba was the internal hardware correct for it to work. Thanks for the info.
I’m also thinking yes based on Goose previous response...Quote:
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We're headed to the Louisville boat show tomorrow, and our dealer has a booth there. My wife and I are both controls engineers with a '17 Mojo that we absolutely love, and we've been following this thread since it came out. First off, HUGE help to us in dialing things in and getting good consistent waves. Second, when we had our dealer winterize, they were having difficulty finding anyone who knew about a new update for the display... but after re-reading this over the last couple of days, I'm guessing he asked (because its what we were asking him), about an update for 2017... not the 2018 to upgrade it.
I for sure want to load the 2018 on ours before KY/TN season kicks off. If feasible, I'd really love to install the correct draft sensor. I saw where at least 1 person had done that. Question is, if my dealer goes calling, is there a clear guide to them for doing this yet? It sounded like placement was critical (which I'd expect). So, if there's not a SC defined how-to for them, I'd like to ask for any hints, helps, etc., on here so that we can work it through them. If they aren't able, or don't want to do it, I'm very capable, but also busy enough that I'm happy to throw the business their way.
I was in Louisville Wednesday night yacking with Chad and Leon about Autowake and this thread. As of Wednesday, they were up to speed on the differences and seemed like they were willing/competent to do the upgrade. We picked apart the Mojo
and Max they've got there theorizing on what it takes to add the draft sensor. I'll be there Saturday as a family friend turned customer to help their small team where I can, hopefully we meet!
GREAT! We'll look you up. Those guys have been great to work with thru the years (SeaDoo's at home too), and happy to throw some business their way when I can. Be great if they could do the upgrade and have it ready for lake duty as soon as weather breaks! Depends on how many boats they see :)
Does anyone have a picture of the draft sensor installed on a Mojo? I was just wondering where it went what the installation looked like.
I didn't take a picture, but it's on the front wall of the motor compartment aka back of the center seat. I expected it to be on the transom. Actually in retrospect, don't quote me I might be remembering it incorrectly. From a distance it kind of looks about like it's made from 3/4" PVC pipe and fittings and about 16-20" long.
PS, don't take that "made from PVC" comment as anything other than what it looks like from a distance. here is the patent on the device:
https://www.google.com/patents/US20170036738
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This is the best I have of the draft sensor on a 2018 mojo pro that I took at the dealer. It’s on the front wall of the engine compartment.
I can take pictures of the draft sensor on my 2017 mojo pro this weekend, if there is any interest.
The bottom of the draft sensor tube is connected to a hose, a shutoff valve, and then a thru hull fitting very similar to the ballast intakes.Quote:
Originally Posted by moombahighrider
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What he said. ☝️☝️☝️
Please send some pictures. I need to get this done before summer. Thanks
Highrider,
Just heard back from my dealer on this and the parts alone, like nine of them, were $1200.
To top it off, apparently SC specifically said they could not give any installation instructions or advice.
I was thinking I read you paid $400 and 3 hours labor? Was that correct or am I losing it? And did your dealer just wing or had instructions?
Thanks in advance!
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You read correctly. That is what it cost me. And SC did provide some direction as there is a specific height and angle that the tube sensor needs to be. I do know that my dealer used a 2018 boat as a guide also to make sure they got it right. It sounds to me like your dealer is shafting you on this one. Reach out to Goose on this forum (Matt brown at SC). He was a ton of help in interfacing between me and my dealer to make sure we got it right. He provided me a list of all the part numbers needed.Quote:
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Yea, I’m going to shoot Goose a DM.Quote:
Originally Posted by moombahighrider
Not sure if you have them available but if so, would you mind posting or DM me the PNs?
The two pricey components quoted to me were the draft sensor (~$320) and a three axis incline sensor (~$540). I imagine without the incline sensor I would be closer to your quote. Do you recall anything about this sensor or if it’s actually needed? I suppose maybe it could be standard on the pro and not the mojo.
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The incline sensor should have come with the standard autowake I would thinkQuote:
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Ok good to know. I’ll have to check and confirm that then. Would def bring things back closer to the $400 parts quote.Quote:
Originally Posted by rdlangston13
Several of main guys have been out and setting up for the boat show all week so it probably wasn’t the best time to be calling about this haha.
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Here is the parts list that Matt sent me:Quote:
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The 3 axis incline sensor should already be installed on your boat.Quote:
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Awesome! This matches my parts quote exactly with the exception of the incline sensor.Quote:
Originally Posted by moombahighrider
I’ll round back with my dealer sometime next week once everyone is back from the boat show.
My next hurdle is getting them some basic instructions and not making this a R&D project.
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Hey guys. I have been following this the last few days and also hearing about it on our side as well. Let me try and clear up the confusion as well as help where I can.
First, the draft sensor is new for 2018. To install it where we needed it relative to all the other ballast intakes, we had to change the jigs of where everything is located under the hull from 2017. Because of that, there is no written instructions of where to install a draft sensor on a 2017. Since we don't have anything written up, the customer service department has nothing to send you if you want to install it. That is why you got the information you got from customer service. However, you can buy the parts. This is always a tricky deal on if we offer 2018 parts on a 2017 or 2016, but the way we see it is we sell parts in our parts department and we know we can't police exactly where those parts are installed. A dealer can claim he is buying the parts for a 2018, and install on a 2017 so we know we have no control on that side. That is exactly why you got the quote but no written instructions on how to install it. Hope that makes sense.
As to installation, first I have to clarify that the draft sensor is a patented component. If you buy the parts from us, then there is no problem. If you try to duplicate the idea of the parts, then that is your choice, just understand patent protection. On the draft sensor, what is critical is the location of the draft sensor relative to the bottom of the boat. However, the way we do that is we define the distance from the top of the draft sensor to the deck. If you look at the pictures above, you will notice the draft sensor is secured to the deck with a clamp (grey clamp). The draft sensor has a vented cap that sits directly against the clamp. On the Mondo, the top of the grey clamp is 1.5 inches from the deck. On the Craz and Mojo, the top of the clamp is 3.5 inches from the deck. On the Helix, the top of the clamp is 9 inches from the deck. On the Max, the top of the clamp is 14 inches from the deck. Yes, the Max really is that much deeper than all the other boats. As a side note, that is why the Max has a deep storage over the engine. It should also be noted that any storage box over the engine on a Mondo, Craz or Mojo would be really thin. Sorry, I know that is a different thread. hahaha
Anyways, if you want to install the draft sensor, the dealer will have to find the best location for water pickup, and get the correct amount of hose to get the draft sensor eventually located in exactly the right location and especially in the correct location relative to the deck. The dimensions above should help. And if you have major problems, let me know. Just realize that my job is product development and I can't help everyone with every detail on every custom install. But hopefully that helps on the basics.
As to the "incline sensor", that is the Inclinometer that is critical for AutoWake to work. If you already have AutoWake, then you already have the incline sensor. However, if you have a 2017 without AutoWake, then you will need the incline sensor. Hope that clears that up.
Good luck!
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As always, this was very helpful. Thanks for confirming and clarifying some of the above confusion Goose.Quote:
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To clarify my own R&D comment, that was not intended to mean try to duplicate the draft sensor. Maybe “experimental install” would have been a better choice of words.
Which it sounds like it may end up being anyways.
Thanks again!
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We are well aware that it would be really thin but really thin is 1000x better than no storage at all! The axis A20 has one that is super thin as well, probably half what a Mojo would be and it is still extremely useful!Quote:
Originally Posted by goose
We even had a poll one the Moomba Supra owners Facebook page and everyone wants one of these. If nothing else can you give us your supplier information so we can contact them directly about it?
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Hey David. I saw the poll and I totally agree on usefulness even if it's thin. I was really just trying to set the expectations that if we do a cover, it would not be as deep as the Max. Just so you know, the project is obviously on our radar. And truthfully, I am pretty sure we will get something eventually, I just can't confirm on when and how much it might cost. As you guys know, we love making our current customers happy with retrofittable projects, but we also have to balance that with the new product development projects. I am sure I will keep you posted as we get something.
Haha ok, as long as you were not using the thin ness as an excuse to dismiss us. It would awesome to have something out before summer...:-)Quote:
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I’ll second this[emoji1362]Quote:
Originally Posted by rdlangston13
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If you wanna DIY, use this, take the float and sensor out and insert it into a pipe. �� You could use the seadoos gas guage to to see how full or deep you are.
https://goo.gl/images/zDbkgL
Is the draft sensor installed in the engine compartment? If so seems like a really bad idea, every big roller you hit would spray the engine.
I’m sure that there is hydraulic damping by way of an upper vent orrifice to prevent sudden and drastic height changes in the tube.
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I'm sure there is until the top breaks off.. Lol
The draft sensor does not allow water out of it. No spray happening
Just updated my boat with the newest software. Eager to try it out now!
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What is the latest version # for our 2017? I had mine done back in October or November last year. Can’t remember when.
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Originally Posted by 98outback
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Thanks. I will check mine we I get back in town.Quote:
Originally Posted by rdlangston13
Goose,
Would you mind sharing the autowake software update download link and how to get it installed?
Thanks,
- Brian
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