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I understand that I would still need upgrade existing, and I want to. But if I can keep from adding a bag in the front of the boat under seats, as well as not have to add an L to the rear seats, I would be in for it. Hoping to just switch 400's to 750's in the back and be done.
Heck, you can "surf" with any of the current stock ballast systems. It isn't ideal, but you can do it. When JJ was learning to surf, she rode the wash at idle behind Moombadaze's LSV.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharpshooter
Might happen, but I think the bow weight will help add length to the wave. We'll probably have to see it used real-world some before knowing how it all works. Remember, looks of a wave can be deceiving. I've seen some great looking waves that were weak when you actually rode it.Quote:
Originally Posted by skyskiwannabee
that's a dealer that doesn't surf :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharpshooter
So true!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by sandm
I guess I should have said, my dealer said all you need is your stock ballast along with the flow system, they took a mojo out this past weekend with the flow and said it was greatQuote:
Originally Posted by sandm
2013 Moomba LSV
+1 Please ask about the Flow for the XLV. I hope Skiers Choice takes care of their loyal customers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boonejeepin
Is it possible to put one on a mobius...... Seems like it could be done.... Some modifying or fabbing maybe
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Your LS hull should be the same as the LSV hull that will be coming out later this yearQuote:
Originally Posted by clarkely
Cool :) will definitely get!!! Easiest most cost efficient way to get the better surf swim platform?? Time for me to start thinking bye bye winter activities and Hello summer
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My local dealer AWS has our Flow in stock at this time. I got to check it out, nothing no one hasn't seen already. The plan is to have the boat in the shop later in March and be ready to Surf by end of March.
I know a lot of people are concerned with Pricing. I can't share my price for the unit as that is done by the dealers. What I can share is the dealer said it takes 2 hours of shop time to install. The bulk of the unit cost is the unit its self. Also the unit is costing the shop a lot of money. Even when they sell it to the customer they are not making a very much profit.
I would assume this is due to Moomba has to recoop there cost for the tooling of the Unit and maybe in time the unit will become cheaper.
Did you order your flow unit from wake makers or Moomba directly?
Moomba FLOW is only available thru dealers as far as I know.
My dealer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mfeeney
When AWS placed the dealer order for there current stock of boats, they ordered 1 extra knowing my boat would get one installed.
Thank you for the reply
I guess I'm still confused, does this improve the wave or just allow you to switch sides easier. Seems like you still need to run ballast, just that it's not all on one side...
Has anyone ridden these surf gate waves?
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You still need to run ballast, just now you run it equal on both sides.Quote:
Originally Posted by parrothd
It is a manual tab you pull down on the opposite side you surf. Reg surf you deploy the Star tab. Goofy surf you deploy the Reg side.
This does allow faster switching between sides.
It also causes the wave to form farther behind the boat, in effect making you surf farther behind the boat.
I have not riden any of the systems, Swell, Surf Gate, NSS.
It really depend on what you want. Easy setup/quick switches form side to side or pro sized wakes.
I think the new surf systems will
give want most people will want/need but to get the pro wave you will need to slam the boat.
IMO having the choice of a surf enhancer and the traditional ballast would be ideal. Easy setup when you want it and tsunami when you want that.
My dealer took a mojo out and said with the stock ballast and flow you could easily surf 20 feet behind boat
2013 Moomba LSV
I hope so because with my ballast I could surf in the next zipcode.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharpshooter
Can you get it on a 13 obv
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now that is funny..Quote:
Originally Posted by mmandley
I've ridden on the G23 which has totally ruined my experience with my LSV... :) If only I had $150K....Quote:
Originally Posted by mmandley
Got the official word today.
Boat goes in on March 17th for several upgrades.
The 3 I can mention are.
1. Moomba Flow System
2. Black out Moomba letters, No more plasti-dip on my side letters.
3. 2014 Swim Deck Brackets.
After some other work is done I should have her back by end of March and if weather gives me 55 and no rain I will finally get my first surf of 14 in.
What are the ones you can't mention??? ;-)
Stripper pole
I'm very curious about #3 here... Last year I was told the 14 brackets were not retro'able. Moomba paid warranty to replace my brackets when my swim platform was wobbling an inch after a few months... But they are still the 13 style so I doubt they will last.Quote:
Originally Posted by mmandley
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My experience has been less then pleasing with Moomba Swim brackets.Quote:
Originally Posted by uniwarking
08 LSV would rattle so bad I could hear it while surfing over my stereo. Drove me nuts.
13 Mojo second time out the little factory screws stripped out, dealer had to remove them. They installed some larger 2.5 inch long bolts. Each time we went out I had to tighten it a little more, and a little more. In July due to the bolts putting so much pressure on the brackets, the bottom pin that holds the swim deck in the bracket sheered off and I almost had the swim deck come out of the bracket.
Got new bolts, by the end of the summer, and the current way they are now is 4 bent bolts, that wont come out of the brackets, and the rails on the swim deck are bent, missing metal.
Option 1 is let the factory do a warrenty repair and I get the exact same set up just to go through all this again in 14.
Option 2 work out an agreement on 14 brackets and pay the bill.
Your right on the 14 brackets don't just bolt up. They have to drill some new holes and such. This is part of the reason my boat will be in the shop so long. They will have to do a little gel work on the rear to make everything look right. I will def get you guys pictures of the work after.
This could very well be your next year upgrade. Some upgrades seem like they should be factory but they aren't.
As for the letters, I have 2 people already interested in them.
AWS said they will try to remove them gingerly but ultimatly they dont expect them to be reusable. IDK we will see.
I am mainly upgrading to the black because I'm a stickler for how my boat looks, and just 1 bump on the dock pad makes the plasti-dip peel and I don't like respraying them every few weeks to make them look black. I have to fork out the money for the new upgraded Black letters but in the end I think its money well spent.
I am interested in the black chrome letters. What is the cost from your dealer or did you order them locally?
The best part about the surf systems in my opinion is you can instantly go from wakeboarding to surfing without having to drain one side and out a bag on this seat ect ect. The ability to just use one ballast set up and go from side to side and boarding to surfing is a huge advantage. I might actually surf if I had a system like this
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Agreed. The system seems easy and appears to produce a nice clean wave. It also reduces the need for additional investment and lost storage due to ballast improvements.Quote:
Originally Posted by rdlangston13
I want the Flow... Just hard to stomach the bill... Especially with all I've spent an am continuing to spend on Exile gear!
My dealer seems to be a way off from where other dealers are as far as purchase and install cost goes... that's my major hang up right now.
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Slightly different topic but did anyone read ragboys post on WW about his most recent experience with surf systems?
Yes I saw that. You have to take what ever review he writes with the understanding he is a Full Sponcered Tige guy. He pays nothing for his boat.Quote:
Originally Posted by rbeckner27
Tige is the only real wake / surf boat with no enhancement device, but I still consider the VX an enhancement because it was developed to help the surf wave.
For me its still hard to listen to someone tell me X boat is better or worse then another in terms of the device when said person is not even surfing them. RJ is also going to be very biased due to his situation.
I am pretty good friends with the Garcia's have have surfed several times on multiple boats with them, I think they are a great asset to the surf community but saying that, at the end of the day they are always Promotting Tige.
There was a lot of bad things said about SC <Moomba> at the 2012 Polar Bear due to some onforseen circumstances and not being able to run the Mojo in the event to show what it can do.
I was invited last year to bring my Mojo and participate and let people surf it, I just personally could not accept signing a waiver that any damage done to my boat from people or other boats was my responcibility.
I could go on and on how I felt about other boats waves and compare them to the Mojo. I think the Mojo has a lot going for it with the wave, is it the best I've been on? No is it the worst? No. I am however thinking if the Flow performs as shown in the video's and such then the Mojo will have a serious leg up on its compition in the surf market.
I am also curious to see if the concept of switching sides while riding will make it into the world championships showing a riders ambidextrous capability will eventually force the Manufacturer's without surf systems to create one.
Any thoughts?
I don't think you will see that, one of the things they dont normally show is all the extra weight these boats are running to make those waves.
Sometimes those boats are 5K+ of ballast. You can't just roll that with the surf gate type system. I think this is the exact reason you don't see those system being used in pro surfing yet.
My feeling the whole concept and reason these devices came out was for the weekend warrior who doesn't want to lean to lean a boat to one side, who doesn't want ballast laying in the walkways.
Most people don't need or want a wave the size of mine, nor the size of pro wakes. I think we are in the extreme type catagory when it comes to the amount of ballast we run.
Although my big rule untill this year was absolutly no bags on the floor or seats.
With the Mojo I found I had to run a 450 in the bow on the surf side to really maximize that wave. I really hope the Flow makes it so that bag will no longer be needed.
Question for you I called my dealer today about adding the flow system to my 2012 mojo. He said he wasn't sure if it could be added to 2012 model year. Do you know if you can add the flow to the 2012 mojo
Yes the system is currently retrofit able to all mojos
Thank you for your reply. Looking forward to getting the flow for my mojo
Saw it in person..... I like the simplicity..... Took a couple photos.... Doesn't look like it would be that difficult with a molded spacer for the offset on a lsv hull..... Attachment 19412Attachment 19413
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Iam being told by my dealer the LSV flow should be ready in april,anybody hearing anything else
How old of an LSV???? /me hopes 2003