Disappointing behavior from Tommy’s guy. To say one is better etc just shows real life ignorance. Different yes. Better ehhh…
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Disappointing behavior from Tommy’s guy. To say one is better etc just shows real life ignorance. Different yes. Better ehhh…
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Take it with a grain of salt, just a sales guy doing whatever it takes. Tommy's is a massive dealer chain and the one by me behaves the same way. Only reason I step foot in that place is the pro shop is best one around.Quote:
Originally Posted by russellsmojo
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What's funny is the Tommy's in Chattanooga sells Supra/Moomba, lol..def just sales guys doing sales guy thingsQuote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
I was a sales manager back in the day at circuit city. we were INGRAINED that you NEVER disparage another vendor/product. if you can't sell on why our product was better by showing features/advantages/benefits then you were canned. bashing others is a sign of a $hitty salesman that doesn't know the business/competition.... if you know what you are selling and are the subject-matter-expert as you should be, you know why yours is better and you can point out why the moomba they are sitting in is better than the axis without saying axis is garbage. axis does have benefits over moomba and vice versa.
my opinion but I've walked off car lots when a salesman starts down that path. I have come back later to see a different salesman.
Last time I was in Tommy's, I had a Supra hat on. Sales guy asked if I was ready to buy a real boat......
Just laughed it off. No biggie.
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The part about "being a subject matter expert on what you are selling" is often lost on most car salesmen. I can't tell you how many times I have known more, much more, about vehicle features than most of the saleamen I have spoken with. I have not talked with too many boat salesmen, but the few I have seem to be knowledgeable. If my job was to sell trucks, cars, boats or whatever, you bet I will know everything there is about it. That's a pet peave of mine when the salesman doesn't understand what he is selling.Quote:
Originally Posted by sandm
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I am with sandm on this one. I am walking out or I might laugh in their face. They obviously wanted a reaction so I can offer one up. Might end up buying that brand but from someone else for sure. We are talking about expensive purchases and to knock someone’s decision…basically call their baby ugly….nope.
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Tommy's is no longer the Chattanooga dealer. Skiers Marine is the dealer now.Quote:
Originally Posted by KnoxMojo
I was at the Knoxville show in Premier's booth and we heard the Tommy's guys talking about our boats. Let's just say we don't go that route and aren't worried about anyone who does...
Right on, didn't realize you guys had changed the dealer. You only talk smack when you're scared and needing to make a saleQuote:
Originally Posted by Mobius22
The fact that SC replaced Tommy's says a lot.
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lol. so true.....Quote:
Originally Posted by KnoxMojo
Very true. Do not want to be going back the dealership with unsold boats.
What are the discounts being seen at boat shows this year?
I did not bother asking any of the dealers the show prices in Knoxville. I guess prices and discounts would depend on what market you are in.
Makes sense. I saw about 13% off of msrp and 10k from Supra over the weekend.
Did you mean to type 10K? On a Supra over 200k that is 5% or less discount from MSRPQuote:
Originally Posted by Yzfguy06
Msrp was 199500 and “Sale” price was 162500. They took 13% off of msrp and Supra was kicking in an additional 10k in discounts.Quote:
Originally Posted by mgswake
Thanks, that makes sense.
What motor? My SL 400 was MSRP 216k. That’s with most options except no thruster, and obviously the base 400 engine.
It’s has the the 400. According to the sales guy it’s hard to justify the 450 upgrade price if you’re not at elevation. I agree although I don’t have experience with it. It has the boat cover, upgraded prop, upgraded gator step, heater vents, underwater, transom lights, one set of speakers on the tower, spare tire.Quote:
Originally Posted by mgswake
I only have 21 hours on the 400 so far but no issues. It has performed great. I have Wakesurfed full ballast and 5 adults in the boat. I have Wakeboarded 50% ballast and 4 adults.
I am in South Carolina at only a couple hundred feet of elevation. Salesman told me the 400 would work for me as well. Said I would only really need the 450 if I was wakeboarding 100% ballast and a boat full of people. So, I went with the 400 and I’ve been happy so far.
Message me if you have any specific questions.
The 400/1.76/16x13.9 prop goes a long way.
It pulled 100% ballast wakeboarding with 3 crew and 700# lead in an SA. It was just a test and it did fine at 1000 feet.
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I haven’t been to the dealer in a while but that’s shocking! 2023 must have had a huge price hike. 2022sl550 with every single box checked Dec 2021 purchase date was 230k msrp and 190 otdQuote:
Originally Posted by mgswake
I was supposed to get a 2022 but my build slot fell through. So I got one of the first 2023 slots. Did not change one box on the build and the MSRP for 2022 was 180k, MSRP 2023 216k.
I thought I read somewhere the 2023 has a different seat base, but I think the 2022 and 2023 are basically the same boat just price adjusted for cost of materials and inflation. Luckily, my dealer really took care of me to help with that model year price jump.
Not trying to beat a dead horse.....but how are those taxes doing?Quote:
Originally Posted by mgswake
Paid in full. We are actually moving our primary address this summer. Just waiting on the construction of our building. This should help lower the millage rate a little bit. And the boat value should depreciate next year. I'm also trying to look into other options, but many of them were in the grey area and I would prefer not to get into grey area when it comes to taxes.
What are you looking into?Quote:
Originally Posted by mgswake
Crazy I saw on the FB group a new Max listed at $113k. They were $60k just a few years ago at the 2018 boat show. Not a whole lot has changed with the boat aside from new dash and more ballast in 2020. There is not nearly double the boat cost in features or material costs. Just insane but hopefully this keeps the value good on the used boats. Glad I got in when I did because no way I’d be paying these prices for the “budget line” of Skiers Choice or any other brands really.
haknslash. on the bright side if you need to sell your boat, you could probably list it for at least what you paid for it. I agree with you though, I don't see enough changes that justify the price increase over the past ~5 years or so. Look at a lot of my other posts and I really blame the loan term length (20 years) and low interest rates for the price jumps. I was on a fishing charter the other day and our guide was talking about how a couple came into the boat show and looked at one boat that was too expensive, but when they saw the other boat's monthly payment they bought that one instead. The boat they bought was more expensive than the one they thought was too expensive. I ran into this car shopping the past few times I have gone. Everyone seems to want to sell monthly payment and not total price.
I blame inflation, everything costs more. The past 2 years have each seen 7-9%, means things cost more and your income likely isn't keeping up with inflation.Quote:
Originally Posted by mgswake
I also believe the OEM's business model is keep MSRP's going up to keep used prices up enough so people can sell their used boat and not be upside down. This will entice people to keep buying new boats every couple years.
The 20 year loans at 3.5% from a couple years ago are a no brainer. Allows you to treat a boat like a lease or give you Uber flexibility on how you choose to pay it off. Win win
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