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Hate seeing such huge price increases. It seems to be with all mfg's too. They are going to create such a bubble that will burst at some point meanwhile keeping budget boat buyers out of the market. I am sure raw materials are costing more, but i am sure profits are going way up too. this may end up being short term gain but long term pain.
Inflation is real.
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Ok. Unless I'm missing something.... 14.5% base price increase for relocated and additional wireless phone charger, LED's on the tower speakers and RBG controller? And the only real new options are limited chill tech and a sun shade which we're paying for anyway? I was kind of hoping for the transmission ratio change people had mentioned for quieter operation. I even saw on one document I got from a quote they mentioned 1.7 but I assume now they just left off the last decimal place. I don't see any mention of improved sound dampening either. Maybe more will come to light as things are rolled out, fingers crossed.
I also saw a ~2% price increase in carry over options (some more than doubled in price). I didn't see anything from the options added to base. Overall, the same loaded Mojo in '22 costs 10% more than a '21. I get that supply chain and logistics is challenged but this is pretty rough. It also kind feels like Moomba buyers are eating more of the burden here with disparity in base price increases.
In the end I guess it doesn't matter... I'm locked in now and I'm excited for my new boat, I'm sure it will be awesome. And... I don't see price reductions coming in future years.
Right here with ya brother...Quote:
Originally Posted by uniwarking
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Moomba builder is not showing a lot of the new optional features yet so bear with us on that. MSRP isn't final pricing, I would contact your dealer for pricing on 2022s to get an accurate quote.
Zero Off is standard, sound deadening is standard on the transmission cover (optional in other places), Two wireless chargers (both out of the sun), Chill Tech is an option in Pecan and Dark Graphite. Bimini rear sunshade is optional on all models and both towers. Major software updates for Autowake and also added RGB lighting options, new gatorstep colors and white logo option. 2022 software will retro to earlier model years, aka 2020 and 2021
And the 2019 Makai..........?:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Mobius22
<cue sad trombone> whomp whomp [emoji1787]Quote:
Originally Posted by TXSurf4
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Moomba only or supra vision as well?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mobius22
Moomba only on software retroQuote:
Originally Posted by SONIC
Thanks for the updates here, excited to see the details. Hopefully these are already on my build or I can still make tweaks as I hadn't heard about a few of these items.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mobius22
I think they are going after new boat buyers with the Moomba brand because people are willing to pay it. Also, I’ve said this before; boats manufacturers are doing the same thing colleges did. Longer and larger loans ie 30 years, great we can just raise prices without any downward pressure.Quote:
Originally Posted by SONIC
I wish 10 years was the max you could take a loan on boats.
LOL!! I have the most up to date software already which I love so I am hopefulQuote:
Originally Posted by RC_Hinojosa
Is the software update good for all boats with the 7" screen (ie 2019 Makai LOL) ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mobius22
this would have driven a couple builders out of business and would not see all the "tech" that we see in them currently.Quote:
Originally Posted by mgswake
flip side is the average middle class family could still comfortably afford one as I don't think pricing would be where it is. with pricing in the mid-upper 100k's and if pricing continues to climb, 30 year will be on the horizon. you are at that point just renting it, not that most in 20 year notes are not doing that already.
when the market corrects(don't see a big one but it's coming), I suspect we will see a change in financing. current toy lending market kinda reminds me of the housing market in '08 with long notes, little to no down and everyone buying on payments, not price.
Interest rates are still absurdly low. 3.49 on a 20 year.Quote:
Originally Posted by sandm
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Where are you seeing those interest rates? I have no desire for 20 years but I'm seeing higher rates on 10 year loans!Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
Local Michigan based credit union, but you need to prove Michigan residency.
Michigan first credit union
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This is one of the reasons I loved Moomba. It was a budget line boat. All I want is a wake machine. Perfect pass and ballast. I dont care if the ballast fills in 5 mins vs 15 minutes. I'll sit and enjoy the water with my crew or have a beverage. I wish SC had left Moomba a little more low tech and allowed Supra to stay as the premium line. Another person mentioned a high optioned Supra vs a low optioned Moomba are geeting closer in price, that's interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by sandm
I guess my dreams of a new boat are shrinking by the year. A few year old used boat isn't an awful option, but I was looking forward to picking my options and colors to make a unique boat.
Moomba is no longer a budget brand. In fact neither is AXIS, Mastercraft nxt, supreme etc.
The luxury brands have elevated and these former budget boats are mid to high level models.
Budget boat is Heyday and even their new boat is approaching 6 figures.
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I am 1000% with ya. although I don't think we are the prime market anymore. all people want is bigger screens, heated this/that, 25 plugins for phones and lights everywhere even though more than half never see a night cruise....Quote:
Originally Posted by mgswake
these things are turning more and more into "look how much tech my boat comes with" than anything else.
would like to see some of the builders resurrect some old hulls that still toss a solid surf/board wave and create a "new" budget line. my gut is that will be on the plate when this current pricing market drops. it's coming at some point.
Some are still giving solid discounts but they aren't as deep as say pre covid. We are getting roughly 14.2 % off our well optioned SA Build. We were originally going to build a mojo but it wouldn't clear my garage doors, Moomba would have been 3 % off. So we went the Supra route since the price difference was basically negligible lolQuote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
I think part of this may have to do with alignment of the SC Brands and the perceived value of getting a discount. For example:
MSRP Supra for 175K > Dealer offers 15% and someone buys at $149
MSRP Moomba for 110K (old pricing) > Dealer offers 5% and someone buys at $105
** Always been a smaller number on the Moomba line.
That same Moomba may be now at MSRP of 117K (new pricing) > Dealer offers 10% and someone buys at $105.
OR
That same Moomba may be now at MSRP of 123K (new pricing) > Dealer offers 15% and someone buys at $105.
** Gives the Dealer more room to negotiate.
** Buyer feels like they are getting more of a discount
** Discount is closer to the Supra number
Assuming we are not going to be in the COVID pricing market forever b/c the dealers will dictate the discounts based on the market area and the demand. If they do not have to give a big discount based on market conditions, they won't. The next person in-line may pay that asked price.
Just my thought on Wednesday afternoon . . . .
But like others mentioned, I too wish moomba would just stay the budget brand. We have seen so many more of them on one of the lakes we visit and its because we in the midwest don't want to pay 100k+ for a boat we can use maybe 3-4 months a year. its the reason i bought a new moomba in 2019. We could have afforded a supra but i just couldn't justify it. I am also in the "boat" of having less tech and toggle switches are just fine with me as i don't need the bling. In fact preferred and I am an IT guy as a profession. I know what computers do and how fast tech changes so i opted for a boat with some manual stuff. I have firewalls that cost 3x that of a supra that are damn near obsolete in 3 years.
Pretty much my thoughts. I bet we are in the minority though. Both the Moomba’s and Supra’s seem to be selling extremely well. Seems SC has a pretty good idea of what they are doing. Personally I just don’t understand why they would let the prices get so close together for the two. But they probably have people that are always monitoring that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason1975
I had considered a Moomba but the price increase this year is rough. We will be holding out for the used market to crash a bit so we can pick up a used supra and add the thrusters if it doesn't have it. haha.Quote:
Originally Posted by mgswake
We are similar...Bought a new Moomba in 21 at a great price. Yes we could afford a much more expensive boat, but for 3 months of boating a year in WI its hard to justify spending more. This on top of the snowmobiles, motocross bikes, and other toys..Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason1975
Glad we bought a 21 because the 22 Max is now at a price we could not justify buying one living in the Midwest.
Suprahappy I sold my 18 high and bought the 21 low.
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Sold the 20 high, but gonna have to pay premium for a 2022. That is unless we can luck out and find a 21 in colors we can stand.Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
Currently boatless
Still no updated builder online????
I'm seeing on the Moomba site they're calling out "Thermoskinz Vinyl" in the Technology & Design --> Interior section. Is this the same as the Supra Chill Tech (Spradling Fresco Cool Touch) with a different name or is this something entirely new?
Lots of cool information and pictures on the website if you dig around, very cool. Super excited for the boat!
Yes it’s similar from what I understand and is an up charge option.Quote:
Originally Posted by uniwarking
Just got off the phone with the dealership. 22 Moomba build slots are gone. Only a few left for Supras. Looks like 22 vs 21 prices on the SL are up about 10 to 15%. Apparently, no discounts as of now with supply being so short. This is nuts. Wow!
21 Supra SL
19 Moomba Max
"Similar" - Cool...$2,600 for an unproven Chill-tech wannabe. Sign me up [emoji58]Quote:
Originally Posted by WildH
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The no discount on a Supra is a 30-40k price PLUS a 10% MSRP increase. Let that sink in…..Quote:
Originally Posted by cwfehr
$45-55k more than a 21.
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Did they not just push the Supra Chill-tech down to the Moomba line? I know it is just 2 colors but that is what they have done in the past and makes the most economical sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by RC_Hinojosa
[QUOTE=larry_arizona;372465]The no discount on a Supra is a 30-40k price PLUS a 10% MSRP increase. Let that sink in…..
$45-55k more than a 21.
I can’t imagine that to be the case. We put in for a build slot months ago and owner of the dealer gave me a price based upon what kind of msrp I was looking at. It’s around a 15% discount. If the price was going to change that much he would have let me know since he knows we don’t finance
[QUOTE=mjb929rr;372469]I was only referring to the post where the member stated his dealer is offering no discounts on Supras.Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
Each dealer will be different.
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[QUOTE=mjb929rr;372469]Depends on your dealer, cwfehr said his dealer is offering no discounts. That means full MSRP + the 10+% price hike.Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
BIIIG money difference from last year or from a dealer not being a dickbag and still offering the traditional discounts.
I've got mixed feelings on that, I mean as a businessman I get making hay while the sun shines but at some point you've got to look at your customer loyalty. If your customers have grown accustomed to 15-20% off msrp and suddenly you're charging full msrp they definitely know that you're just pocketing all that extra dough because you can. Not a good look IMO.
I could see this from a smaller dealer selling to a first time buyer. Our dealer sells most boats to repeat customers and I think he thinks the market will correct sooner than later
[emoji445]Wheels on the bus go round and round.......I meant... Prices on the boat go up and up, up and up![emoji445][emoji1787]
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I can tell you that in August 2020 I reached out to my dealer whom I have personally purchased 3 boats and sold another 3 for them to purchase a 2021 SA and they were offering 14% discount...Now they are at 5% on a 2022 SL.
I'll pass on 2022 and see what happens next season.