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Originally Posted by DaveM
Centurion & MB still rely only on displacement.
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Not all.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveM
Centurion & MB still rely only on displacement.
I talked to a gentleman from SC at the Milwaukee show and he told me the flow bracket is held on the boat by a 3M adhesive and screws/nuts. My guess is a similar adhesive GM has used to mount doors...
In person it looks fairly simplistic in design..I would almost go as far as saying it looked cheap and out of place on the Mojo at the show...IMO
If I were to purchase a boat with this installed from new or install on my existing boat I would definitely get the components powder-coated.
sometimes simple works.
not sure why powdercoat? it looks very nice when not deployed and when it is deployed, you'll be in the water and moving so what difference does it make then?
the unit I examined in milwaukee looked to have some pretty tight tolerances. powdercoat could mess that up.
in it's current state, those that know what it is will examine it, those that don't will ask what it is since it doesn't "blend in" with the boat and you get an opportunity to school them on Moomba wake technology. win-win :)
At some point in Centurions recent past they used to offer the Switchblade as an option. My buddy bought a 2006 avalanche with it installed. It works OK, definitely shapes the wave, not sure it does much for size or length of the wave.Quote:
Originally Posted by wolfeman131
The Switchblade was a 3rd party offering. Its still around and a few folks swear by it. It makes me nervous from a safety standpoint with swimmers and the force it would seem to exert on the transom.
http://www.centurionboats.com/technology/Quote:
Originally Posted by wolfeman131
I think that Centurion's CATS fin is certainly something that they are using to delay convergence. And they have asymetrical trim tabs (they call them wing tabs). So I would say that Centurion is most certainly using tech. Their rep claimed that by using their cats fin to delay convergence, they are doing it from the center of the boat and not from the rear like everyone else and they claimed that allows them to have more push... Whether it's true or not, I can't say. But they're in the game.
Supreme and MB are displacement only...
Hey Everyone I saw this link on youtube about the new flow system. I know people were wondering what the surf wave would look like with regular ballast
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQzT8nlTx5o
Thanks for that link, wave looks clean!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mfeeney
nice wave, but what about the regular side
Anyone have a chance to try this out yet?
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Mine should be delivered tomorrow and I am taking the boat to the shop either this weekend or next to have it installed. I will report back as progress is made.
Do you know how much it's gonna cost in total yet
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In the Dallas area dealer quoted 1400.00
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Is that the Slalom Shop?Quote:
Originally Posted by smorris7
I have been quoted.. in writing.. 1100 bucks installed.
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remember, SC doesn't set a price for this as an aftermarket items except the parts cost to the dealer. Some dealers may decide to make 30 pts on it, others 50 pts. Some may have $80/hr sop hours others may be $120. It kinda is what it is until somebody buys a nice CNC machine and decides to break a few patent laws.
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Originally Posted by wolfeman131
Any way you look at it, some of us are getting "discounted" parts cost quotes higher than others are getting installed quotes... Something isn't right about that.
I wish I had the same experiences I hear others describe with their dealers... That relationship has been the only real disappointment in my Moomba ownership experience. I feel like I'm always having to babysit and complain because they've screwed something up... And then I get shafted on pricing.
/rant... No Flow for me
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What isn't right about it? Do you and/or your company let others set the price for the goods and/or services you supply? Your company may react to the competitive marketplace, but ultimately the price set is your decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by uniwarking
So, here is an idea . . . . .
Call your dealer and ask them the price for 100 FLOW systems. Bet you can work out a per unit price better than just the 1 you want now. Shell out the $$ and sell the other 99 here on the forum for the same, discounted price. Less shipping & handling, of course.
I certainly appreciate a good debate!
Dealers can do whatever they want with prices, I'm not disputing that. I have no ill will towards SC either, they have a dealer cost established and a MSRP.
I'm just frustrated that MY dealer wants $1750 for the same thing another guy is paying $1100 for. As a consumer, that isn't a smart buy... Sadly, I can't just drive down the street and find a better deal.
If someone on the forum where to do a bulk buy, it would appear there are others who could provide a much better deal than I.
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Only thing that you should be able to hold consistent is Hours charged for shop time. Not cost.
SC should have an expected amount of Hours to install, say 3 hours.
Then you pay 3 hours labor to install at your shops rate.
The cost of the Flow will vary but it shouldn't vary a lot because there is an MSRP to everything.
Just like buying a Boat, SC can tell you the MSRP of the boat, but the final cost of the boat is always up to the dealer selling the boat.
When we get ours installed I will share the Labor Hour charge, but the Shop charge and the price of the Flow will be different in my world then in yours I'm sure.
I lived in both areas and in general the labor rates are cheaper in Iowa. Because it is new, the dealer may not have a grasp of the actual cost of the device and time to install.
I was quoted the flow at 10% off MSRP + shipping + 2 to 4 hours labor + tax = $1550 -1750 (depending on labor time)Quote:
Originally Posted by zabooda
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I paid 1108 shipped to my door for the system and was told it should be about an hour install I will let you know all said and done here in the next week or so.
Yes it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Woody929
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Nice might have to throw it onQuote:
Originally Posted by saskyrider
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Here's a pic my dealer posted on Facebook of a test run with the flow todayhttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/22/e5abe2an.jpg
2013 Moomba LSV
Got the kit yesterday. The install looks pretty simple thinking about doing it myself. The instructions actually look easy and straight forward. Just 4 lag bolts and 2 through bolts and adhesive and your done.
Mine showed up last Tues, but boat is in storage so probably won't get installed for a few weeks. Stupid weather is a tease, too. Some 70 degrees today, but forecasted temps back into the 40's next week.
Rusty, just a note, installing yourself may void your hull warranty.
Drew, I feel your pain on the weather... although I probably wont see the water until mid April.
Must be dealer.. Lol
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Was at a boat show up in Canada this past weekend and was talking to a guy from Moomba (Ken - forget his last name, but I had a great chat with him). He was telling me that they're working on Flow for LSV, but are not going to bother with one for the OBV... major bummer for OBV owners... Totally kicking myself for not getting a bigger boat last year!!! We thought we'd ski more than surf, and then we tried surfing for the first time and have never skied since... hhhmmm - How upset would my wife be if I upgraded...
Hmmmmm, must depend on who you talk to because I heard the opposite from a dealer at the Chicago boat show.......since there is just the machined bracket that needs to match the hull contour I was told they would be creating that for the OBV but it would probably be coming later -- maybe as late as the summer.
From one OBV owner to another, here's hoping the guy I talked to has the story correct and the guy you talked to wasn't as knowledgeable!! :)
maybe they don't plan to export it to Canada?
the guy I talked to resides in Maryville, TN and said there would, eventually, be a FLOW for the OBV.
Talk to your guy about at least a small run for the XLV, please!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by wolfeman131
Fingers crossed Mike!! I was enquiring about upgrading the boat at the show, so it could be it "wasn't" available in the hopes I would upgrade... That would seriously be nice to not have to only fill up one side of the boat and have extra sacs on the seats...
I hope we can get an answer soon. I just bought an '09 OBV and was going to do a significant ballast upgrade, but also want to keep as much storage as possible. If I can bolt something on and keep my bow open and still end up with a longer surf wake I would be pumped.
+1 here. I'm not even into surfing, but some of my crew are. I got an FAE in part to cut the exhaust fumes while surfing, but it's still a pain to set up ballast. Anything that cuts that bother is worth considering.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boonejeepin
As was commented earlier in one of these Flow threads, the need for ballast really won't go away because you will always need the displacement to create the needed wake. The Flow doesn't "create" the wake it just negates the need for the boat lean and just helps to control the wake created.Quote:
Originally Posted by skyskiwannabee
From what my dealer has told me,all you need is your stock ballast system