You’re telling me.Quote:
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You’re telling me.Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
CaliforniaQuote:
Originally Posted by HFarr
That would make me consider bringing it home myself. Perhaps do a factory pickup and spend a week out on the lakes in Tennessee!Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
As amazing as that sounds the boat is already here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zog
That's still a really solid deal. I'd ask about any extended warranty offers since it's about to be a leftover boatQuote:
Originally Posted by Yzfguy06
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Already did. There isn’t any. I was told that at the boat shows this year was the first time in 3 years that added warranty to the boat.Quote:
Originally Posted by KnoxMojo
Make your own Supra SA build thread and share details, pics etc.
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Leftover boat?
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Can't be a 23 leftover until the 24s come out, but they're preparing for it. LolQuote:
Originally Posted by HFarr
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I see about getting beat up over a Bu....but msrp $209k....in my drive after trade for $152k. 2022 23LSV.Quote:
Originally Posted by KnoxMojo
Truthfully my wife would kill me and that payment for 3-4 months a year, but you can see the thought process.
Those thoughts for me are fleeting at best with these interest rates. Don't care the brand. I couldn't fathom going from a 65k Mojo, now my 100k SA to anything that's 150. LolQuote:
Originally Posted by Holdmybeer
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That’s a true statement. Interest rates are dumb right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Holdmybeer
I'm 100% with ya. we were amazed going from a 42k supra to a 90k tige over the years and we got a STEAL on the last boat. I can't imagine paying 120k for a moomba let alone 150+ starting for a supra.Quote:
Originally Posted by KnoxMojo
175k boat with 20% down over 20 years is a grand a month. that's a lot of scratch for a toy that most only use 50-75hrs a year. add gas/insurance into it and now your talking ballpark 15k/yr to own it.
what I find more amazing.... there's a 2023 heyday on OI for over 100k.... never thought I'd see that from a brand that was touting "affordable and easy to tow". all in that's a 110k toy.
What interest rates are out there?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yzfguy06
My lender went from 3.5% to 11.5% on boats for 240 months. Pretty much says they don't want any more boat loans.
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On 240 months I’ve seen as low as 7.59. Most are talking 7.99Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
is it the boat or is it the fact that it's a 240 month note?Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
I would suspect that most actuaries are calling out the economic environment that's building and advising against a long term outlook on what is turning back into a depreciating asset again.
our current checking bank(not the one we use for vehicle/boat loans) is at 8.99% but only goes to 15 years. they won't touch 20. my CU that does boat loans will only do 5year balloon on a 15 year amortization anymore and their rates are in the same ballpark.
I can still find 240 month rates around 6% locally, but I think you are right on banks and CU's reacting to this economy.
Next 18-24 months is going to hurt.
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That’s better than most. Which bank?Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
I was wrong, best local rate for 240 is 7.24%Quote:
Originally Posted by Yzfguy06
At financial plus credit union in Michigan.
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Originally Posted by larry_arizona
Club Royale sold out of Supras last week. Hope your SA is treating you well!
That SA450 was a great color combo!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Buddy68
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Since this thread went all over the place I figure I will keep it random. Did you’ll see the new paragon last night? Paragon 23 msrp 435k. Or you could get a SL and SA for that price. Yikes that is an expensive boat. I think they were 250k or something when Nautique first released them.
That is the price the Pavati's are going for now.Quote:
Originally Posted by mgswake
I do really like the telescoping tower on the paragon. Mainly because of the convenience of being able to leave the bimini up when trailering. Just lower the tower and go.
But check out this screen size on the pavati. Holy smokes! Attachment 30901
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Careful Larry will tell you to create your own thread… lolQuote:
Originally Posted by mgswake
We surfed on Sat am. Brand new one surfing down the lake next to us.
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One thing that everyone is forgetting is this little thing called floor plan interest. When a dealer has inventory they typically have it on floor plan so it is not taking up all their cash. When you start to pay interest at 10-12% for 2,3,4 + million in inventory you get pretty motivated to move it. I am not sure in the recreational industry but if they make them use third party floor plan it gets even worse. The manufacture no longer has any skin in the game (They made their sale to the dealer) so the discounts typically have to be made up at the dealer level squeezing the dealer even tighter. There will be deals to be made.
With that said our 14 Mojo has been fantastic and we have a really hard time going from a $67k boat new to a $120+ I don't think we will be in a hurry to do anything.
You have a very good point, but your signature says "hey you only live once"..so treat yourself and buy a new boat. Should be about paid off, that is a healthy down payment.
Why pay 120k for a moomba when there are handfuls of 2022 XT24’s and 23LSV’s on the market that can be had in that range
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You are not wrong. I don't care for MC and some have said Bu quality control fell off during Covid. I swear if I get this 23LSV email 1 more time, I'm going to have to throw an offer down and see if the dealer takes it.....lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by j.mo
Nah doesn’t matter how cheap I’m passing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Holdmybeer
Disclaimer - I’m not a MC or Malibu guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yzfguy06
But you’re telling me, you’d pay MC/Malibu money, for a moomba?
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Just looked on only inboards, to get an xt23 or 23lsv for 120k range, gotta go back to 2019-2020. I'll admit I didn't scroll them all, just the first couple pages. 2023 xt23 around 180-200, 23lsv cheapest I saw was 150.Quote:
Originally Posted by j.mo
Here locally where I am, plenty of year old 23LSV to be had in the 130s, asking. With cash there’s always room for less.Quote:
Originally Posted by KnoxMojo
And I guarantee you, there’s wiggle room in this XT24 at 140k.
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Or this
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If you don’t think 125k cashiers check buys either of those boats, I’d prob bet against you.
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I’m not paying moomba money for a moomba either. I’m going to hold til it comes around a bit and buy a used Supra at this point. The fir and finish for the moomba just isn’t there especially for what they want for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by j.mo
Then make an offer if you can cut a check like that, those look like the 2 lowest price in the whole country. Don't forget the cost to transfer warranty. So I am betting you won't make an offer, but if you do and buy 1 for 125k, I will send you a case of your favorite brew. LolQuote:
Originally Posted by j.mo
When is the last time you were on a new Moomba? From 21 to current, they have come a long ways and more tech than my 18 SA. The Craz, Mojo and Makai are really nice and only getting better. The conundrum is always a new "budget" boat or a 2-3 year old used premium boat. That is for you to decide.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yzfguy06
Within the last year. I looked at a mojo. I couldn’t justify the price. For 25k more I could get into a Supra.Quote:
Originally Posted by KnoxMojo
Don't blame you there. I think their fit and finishes have come a long way, but can't go wrong with Supra. That new Moomba power tower is pretty sweet. And the dual screens, pus chill tech now. If I was buying new, The Mojo would be on my lift. But I would look hard for a similar priced 21 or 22 SA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yzfguy06
It’s really the tower for me. The power tower for 24 is dope. But like you said you can find a low hour sa or sl for about the same. If I recall correctly there haven’t been major changes to the sa since 20 .Quote:
Originally Posted by KnoxMojo