New SE lines and gel coat sections are done nicely. A definite improvement IMO. Looks like it got all the SL improvements as well as 4700# of ballast.Quote:
Originally Posted by mgswake
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New SE lines and gel coat sections are done nicely. A definite improvement IMO. Looks like it got all the SL improvements as well as 4700# of ballast.Quote:
Originally Posted by mgswake
Options pricing won't be shown on the builder, dealer will quote you once the build is sent to themQuote:
Originally Posted by mgswake
How far out was your delivery time?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mobius22
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I'm guessing you were referencing my 2023SL and the whole quote didn't come through on your phone? I actually ordered a 2022 in October and then the dealer came back and told me they didn't have the build slot available they thought they did. I had to wait for the first available 2023 spot. So, I have been patiently waiting since October.Quote:
Originally Posted by j.mo
Yes, I got to take a few on the surfboard. It had 5-6K of ballast plus 11 people, so the wave was very tall and plenty of push. I was thinking it was going to be longer, but it wasn't. I asked a bunch of questions to the driver, but could not see how he was running the tabs on the boat. Motor ran fine with all of that weight, I was thinking it would struggle a little..Quote:
Originally Posted by sandm
I was on a 2020 as well and was not impressed at all with the interior. Now their interiors are better and are closing the gap. I liked their the Roswell Racks. Not sure if the tower speakers are growing on me, it's different. It was loud in the cockpit area b/c of the angle of the speakers.
Agree. I got to see one on the lake. Probably the one they will use in promos. Nice looking. I did not see the inside.Quote:
Originally Posted by TXSurf4
SE looks like a big SL.
Dark brown interior and gatorstep is sweet.
Not feeling the transom surf selector
Midship underwater is awesome.
New mocha and green flake meh, but is twilight flake available? Twilight is so nice.
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I’m VERY interested in real pricing and delivery times.
I’m stuck between a conundrum of scenarios.
1. Run current Supra 3 seasons or 400hrs. Whichever comes first. Currently at 160hr
2. Wait for a great deal on the used market for a 3yr or so old boat. Preferably Supra or natique.
3. Order a new SL/SE and roll with the punches of cost. Because, 3 more seasons I’ll be 36, going on 40 and I might as well have a new boat now rather than 40, especially while we don’t have kids [emoji12]
Now better time than now to go big.
I do have the option to pick up a 22 23lsv with 50hrs in the $120k range. But I really don’t like the colors, and I’m not a fan of Malibu to say. Might as well get what we really want, or keep what we have.
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Per the colors and the brown interior seats, I’m going need to see that in person. Not feeling it.Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
Love the Gator.
Agree on the transom selector. Maybe I just do not understand how my life will be easier as the main driver.
To me, exterior colors of orange, yellow, or green all are in the same category. All are not that popular. That green flake will be popping in the sun.
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Curious how the midship underwater lights are integrated……liquid Lumens?
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true statement. our '06 supra was orange and one dealer had it consigned for 2 months with no activity and said it was color. second dealer took it on a trade and they sat on it for 3 months before selling it below trade and their comment again was color. granted the last couple of years threw all that out the window as everything is selling but bet there are quite a few families out there sitting in those colors wishing they were something else but it's all that was available.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJHSupra
not sure I get the transom selector. most people only surf one side or the other and as the primary driver, I would make it a point to know who rides which side and take care of it at the helm-my up I always made sure it was on the right settings before handing over the wheel. I see a lot of kids messing with this while people are riding and premature wear of tabs/parts. lots of bitching about broken transom remotes on several brands. here's another thing to break imo.
Would be nice if the selector knob was available to the spotter. That way the spotter could communicate with rider and do transfers and allow the driver to drive.
I don’t mind hitting the transfer switch on steering wheel, but it takes coordination with the rider that I am watching in mirror/camera.
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I like the Surf Band from Malibu/Axis for this functionality rather than the transom touch pad kind of situation. It looks like you have to swipe to indicate your side. I haven't had anyone complain about the driver running the surf side except when I forget to switch it back on after restarting due to the stupid software issue that makes the wake plate inoperable if the surf switch is on during the reboot cycle.
I really like that there are very few optional selections on the Supra line.
By the way, we really like our yellow/black boat. makes me feel like Batman!
Guy on our lake just bought an Orange and Black SL. It's a 2022. Looks really sharp I must say. Even though those colors are not my thing.
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Is the transom surf switch part of the stereo transom remote or is it standalone?
if it's part of the stereo setup then cool, just software (it's useless IMO but no added cost or failure modes)
If it's standalone for the sole sake of being a sur side selector it seems to me like useless fluff that's just going to be one more thing to break (hit it with a wakeboard, kids step on it and knock it off, etc) or fail (water intrusion, toushscreen)
I've been noticing the posts on social media after the 2023 Supra models were released.
Lots of posts on MSRP, not too much on what people are buying them for. I know every dealer is different.
And WOWZA on that new SE, 575 motor and those other goodies. I get costs and inflation, but dang those must be some good margins on all those options.
The other thing on the used boat side of the world, as the 2023s are popping up, the customers that buy new boats every year are starting to post when their boats will be available: Sept, Oct, Nov, of this year. Funny thing is, not many are listing a price for what they want on a used 2022 boat. I know peeps would rather sell in the fall and build the new one in the spring and not maintain a boat payment over the winter.
Should be interesting to see where the market goes and if there is any change in demand. Dang has the boat-game changed since I bought a used 2018 SL in Aug of 2019.
I am with you, Zach told me if I ever wanted an SA at a great price, then buy Ron. He was right!! I am sorry, but there's not a new Supra out that's $40k -$120k better than my 18 SA. We will have this boat until there is enough justification in tech to warrant the change. Even then, highly doubt we will. Can repower, new driveline, new screen, most everything twice for less that price difference to new.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJHSupra
Very true. You cold completely rebuild your motor (and add hp in the process) and re-upholster everything and still not spend that kind of money.Quote:
Originally Posted by KnoxMojo
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Especially a Gen2 with a 1.7 trans.Quote:
Originally Posted by KnoxMojo
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For sure, even then, a new V drive and install is around $5kQuote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
For sure. You and I have talked about this.Quote:
Originally Posted by KnoxMojo
2018 was a big change year.
Surf systems have not changed much between then and now.
Motors have not changed.
Tranny is a nice change. Big plus.
Newer chill interior is nice, but I’m still managing with my non-chill seats. That’s not that big of a deal for me. This summer we are going out more in the mornings and evenings.
Audio systems have not changed that much. I have 4 JLs on the tower and the smaller subs, but the newer subs are nice.
Subfloor ballast, I love it. But would also survive if there were bags in the lockers. Not deal breaker.
And the Raptor 400 chugs along pretty good around here.
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The new boats are totally bada$$! Don't get me wrong. I just can no longer justify the cost of upgrade. A 2020 SA would be amazing! Riding on that new SL is great! I am happy for everyone getting new, just not for me anymore.
A good surf wave is a good surf wave. Doesn't matter what the boat is. Beyond that, it's just a matter of what luxury options you want to have in a boat.
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So true. Pick your poison.Quote:
Originally Posted by HFarr
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You rode that 23’ Centurion?Quote:
Originally Posted by KnoxMojo
What did you think?
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Base price
SE 203k
SL 186k
SA 179k
SR 160k
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The new online builder includes no option pricing, that sucks.Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
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Wowzers.Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
Speaking of options.
I’m at the lake on my swim deck right now thinking, anyone ever opted to supercharge their engine on their own?
I know my 409 6.0 can take a tvs2300 no problem for 7k.
Way cheaper than 30k for a 575.
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Can’t do it with the Indmar ECM.Quote:
Originally Posted by j.mo
ECM is locked and you can’t buy the 575 ECM from Indmar.
However, I am sure you could put a Ford ECM on it so a tuner can set up timing and fueling tables.
The ECM could be cracked if you could find a tuner willing to invest the time.
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I’m sure a ford/gm ecm is a whole lot cheaper than the 450/575 upgrade [emoji23]Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
I’m curious why guys don’t go that route.
I know it’s on my list of options at the time the next boat comes.
I wish you could also get the LT4 from indmar
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If you can do the wire harness to adapt a tuneable ECM, you could make a bunch of $$$$$Quote:
Originally Posted by j.mo
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There’s all kinds of places I’m sure I could get one for an LS/LT. I know I can for my 409 6.0Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
But I’m not too into it with this boat, next for sure.
I’d prefer the GM engine next go around. But that pretty much takes me away from an indmar supplied brand.
I’d love to stay with Supra.
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I assumed you were talking Raptor engines, my apologies,
You should have no issue adding a Supercharger on a LS6.0, a 1.9l TVS would be great, 6-7 pounds of boost max. Should just need bigger injectors and obviously fueling and timing tables tuned. Curious what GM ECM you have.
You should have a gen3 ECM and all of those are tuneable with HPTuners.
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Hopefully you can utilize an existing heat exchanger/intercooler from a marine LSA application.
I would go 1.9l vs 2.3l.
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import tuners have been adding sideline ecu's for years and iirc it's how some have gotten around the locked down ecu's of the c8's. would not be hard to figure out the pinouts to add something but I would be highly surprised if there's any real $$ to be had.Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
the number of wakeboat owners wanting to add hp I would bet is a very small slice and even smaller when they figure out their indmar warranty is void. easier to reprop it and as long as it can get up on plane, what else do you need out of it?
indmar should offer up the 400 to 440 reflash as an option tho and maybe for anyone who has a boat out of warranty. would be a nice way for someone to get to the 440/450 as an aftermarket, 2nd owner or someone who moved from LA to Denver and wants/needs another few hp/tq. guessing upgrading to the huffer would be a whole different story as I would think there's some internal changes to support the blower?
That was my original thought since they are the most relevant engine it seems these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
Next boat, I’d prefer to stay GM, but I know it’s probably not likely.
I do much prefer the 6.0 409 LS over the 6.2 ford engine though.
I won’t mess with this boat. It’s on its way out in 1-3 seasons. Whether it’s 1,2,3 I can’t tell you, that’s the market’s decision lol.
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Idk about the 6.2 ford engine. I know nothing about them really.Quote:
Originally Posted by sandm
But I am pretty versed in LS/LT.
I know for sure like Larry said, I can throw 6-7lb at this L96 no problem with no upgrades other than injectors, Maybe not even if indmar made them flow enough in their upgrades.
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