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OK, that makes sense. Thanks for those numbers. I just cant wrap my head around these price increases. Is there really that much new tech and features? or, is it more market driven? To me it just seems like all manufactures are just driving prices up because, why not, they are still selling all their inventory and filling slots.
2018 max base was $61580, 3 years later $10k more.Quote:
Originally Posted by mgswake
I believe your theory that boat prices keep increasing so that people can sell 3-4 year old boats for what they owe and buy new boats.
Keeps the manufacturer’s going.
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5% growth year over year. I would expect that. The manufacturers want to grow, not stay the same. As long as the supply/demand curve is in effect I would expect this.Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
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Year over year price increases also has some added content, it’s not just straight price increase.
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Originally Posted by larry_arizona
Almost 9% is really good right now. If Marine Products can match that, I'll write the check. I bet 9% off a Mojo would be pretty dang close to 100K for a typically equipped model.
Driving distance from where ? What's the dealer?Quote:
Originally Posted by sleek98
From Kansas City. Its the dealer in Wilson Ks called Marine Specality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guppydriver
https://www.onlyinboards.com/IMG-075...as-115507.aspx
That is a good looking MAX!!!!
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Has the Triton Racks as well. Dang...Quote:
Originally Posted by sleek98
Dealer shared a Mojo build today to give me an idea of what pricing is. I think it was the first day they could do them, this will be a boat show boat.
$78,640.00-Base
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$21,930.00-Options
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$4,150.00- Freight and Delaer Prep
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$104,720.00 SRP
Pretty Loaded, just no Tritons or surf pipe. Has Rev 10's. This is before discount. Depending on the tax of your state, this is very close to 100K like many were expecting. This one would be 104 OTD in Utah or about 102 with 14" wheels. About 97k before tax for you lucky Montanans and Oregonians!
Even if you go over the $99999.99 limit, that is when you put your man foot down and do the right thing.
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crazy $4150 in add on crap.
boat we bought this July had $800 in dealer prep, $200 doc fee, $385 shipping cover and $85 for grow boating/preserve waterways funds and I bitched about all that.
granted I know they likely bake freight into the cost of the boat but it's not shown on any ppwk.
That prep/freight does sound high. Mine was 1750 freight/750 prep.
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I'm not saying I would do this, or that my dealer suggested it, but... prep is tax free in my state!
Geeez, this is in bad taste, I already regret it. Whatever. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...37b4bc0dae.jpg
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That would put the base at only 2400$ over the Kaiyen. So you could build a decent equipped Mojo for 94k. I built a kaiyen and added tritons and A3 tower, dual batt, heater, gps cruise, depth finder, bimini, 10" wetsounds, floor+gunnel GS, nicely equipped. So 94k + freight /dealer prep+taxes. With a discount one could stay below 100k.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guppydriver
You are correct sir. If you stay away from some of the pricey options like the Pro tower, 18s on trailer, etc. You can build a pretty well equipped Mojo for mid 90s.Quote:
Originally Posted by Isaguel
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Wonder if that 78 comes with the pro tower and g6 pumps standard. If not there is only a Few grand difference to the makai.
Edit I bet it doesn’t after looking at the kaiyen.
Just odd that the pricing is so close on all these. Basically choose what length you want and adjust for a couple grand if you want the pro tower.
Nope.Quote:
Originally Posted by sleek98
Just like a Kaiyen those are options. G6 comes with Flow 3. I forget, you might be able to add G6 to Flow 2 but it isn’t standard.
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Sorry about the sloppy cut and paste....but just in case anyone wants more details
Product Information
Skiers Choice (Moomba) 2021 Mojo (MR) - 941208
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329104
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Retail Price
Product Price:
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$21,930.00
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$4,150.00
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$104,720.00
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Prep (Not Taxed) : $0.00
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Free Flooring $0.00
1 Engine
2021 Indmar 6.2L Ford Raptor 400, Catalyst w/1.76 trans V-drive $0.00 821054
5C Engine Prop Options
'Prop, Nibral, OJ 15.5x15 4-Blade (Altitude/Wake) $200.00 820016
1A Gelcoat Patterns
Spray Pattern "Classic" (MM,MK,MP) $0.00 819207
1B Gelcoat Main Panel Color
Main - 'White $0.00 809911
1C Gelcoat Accent Color
Accent - White $0.00 811941
1D Gelcoat Deck Color
Deck - Black $300.00 811904
1F Gelcoat Hull Color
Hull - Black $300.00 811984
1G Decal Options
Moomba Black Chrome Logo (MR) $100.00 821251
2A Upholstery Base Color Selections
Base Upholstery - Honey D Grain / Honey Marlin $0.00 821814
2B Upholstery Accent Panel
Uph Panel Accent - Honey D Grain $0.00 821827
2C Upholstery Welt Color
Uph Welt Color - Black Trexx $0.00 817854
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Dealer Options
2D Upholstery Options
Adjustable Seat Base (MJ,MM,MK,MP,MR) $260.00 820860
3C Other Appearance Options
Stainless Steel Rubrail (Black) $0.00 814904
3C Other Appearance Options - Nonskid Options
GatorStep Floor and Deck Kit (Brown) (MR) $560.00 821885
3D Tower Options (IF NOT SPECIFIED, TOWER WILL BE BLACK)
"A3 Tower (Black,) $0.00 821230
3F Tower Accessories - FIXED BOARD RACKS ARE STANDARD-2021
Quick Release Swivel Mechanism Only (A3,Pro) $600.00 821627
4A Canvas Options
Full Boat Cover w/ HT (Charcoal) (MR) (A3 Tower) $1,010.00 821305
Swim Platform Cover $230.00 820320
Tower Bimini, Premium A3 with Arms and Surf Storage - Black (MJ,MG,MM,MP,MR) $1,550.00 820329
6B Cruise Options
GPS Cruise with Display - Zero Off $880.00 819622
GPS Mapping, US/Canada - (Requires GPS Zero Off Cruise) (MD,MG,ME,MK) $330.00 819624
Moomba 7" Touch Display $1,010.00 821621
6D Performance Package Options
Flow 3 Surf System with G6 Ballast System Upgrade (6 Pumps) (MM) $2,600.00 821636
7A Audio Options
C - Add 2 Bow Speakers and Sub with Amp (MM) $1,710.00 821067
H - Add 2 10" Wetsounds Tower Speakers with Amp - Includes Clamps (MM,MK) $2,310.00 819073
7B Lighting Options
Docking Lights (MK) $330.00 819220
8A Miscellaneous Options
Depth Finder $390.00 815460
Dual Battery Set-up with Charger $370.00 819782
Heater (6.2L Engines) (MP,MM,MK) $910.00 820753
Side Storage Bins (Set of 2) (MP) $700.00 821719
9A Trailer
Tandem Spring Axle w/Disc Brakes (MR) $0.00 821105
9B Trailer Frame Color
Trailer Frame Color - Black $0.00 709014
9C Trailer Pinstripe Color
No Pinstripe $0.00
9F Trailer Wheel Options
,Wheel Upgrade - 18" Wheels (Tandem Only - INCLUDES Torsion Upgrade) $2,370.00 869393
Spare Tire with Bracket (18") $870.00 869395
9H Trailer Other Options
DLX1800 Square Black Trailer Jack Upgrade $330.00 869207
Swing-away Tongue - Color Matched $350.00 864282
Transom Steps (Includes LED back-up lights) $430.00 866281
Transom Trailer Straps $150.00 864814
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Import Tax and Material Surcharge $400.00 700264
Shipping Cover (MR) $380.00 821787
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DEALER PREP $1,250.00 DEALER PREP
DESTINATION CHARGE $2,900.00 FREIGHT
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I seriously could care less about trailer aesthetics ....the 14' inch wheels are fine to me...BUT
Dealer said that the 18's are rated for a higher speed and that you shouldn't ever go over 70mph with the 14's especially when it's hot outside. I had never thought of that before, but I really don't want to spend 2400 dollars for bigger wheels. It's probably for the best safety wise, I have a Duramax 3/4 ton and it can tow anything less than 8k like its standing still.
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Originally Posted by larry_arizona
Par for the course here in Utah...Cheaper than the Centurion and Axis dealer actually. Break in service is included at least.
first boat we had towed up and down grade to the lake in august in 100+ in idaho with 14's and never an issue. as they say tho ymmv.. 18's will usually have a lower trailer weight rating so watch the lead if you get some. 14's will usually have a higher overall weight rating.
that said if you want any chance of getting the boats under an 8ft door you have to check the box for the pro tower. kaiyen needs 9ft door unless you opt for pro then it's 8ft. would assume mojo will be the same.
some of those option prices are crazy.
$870 for a spare tire? rim is at best $250. tires are $100 and bracket from boatmate painted is $69.
$150 for the same transom straps I just bought off amazon for $75.
check the boxes carefully :)
You can get the G6 ballast for $1,310 with 2.0 or for $2,600 3.0 and g6 on the Kaiyen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Woody929
3.0 with the g6 is 1,160 on the Makai. 2.0 with G6 is standard.
Why are they charging for the 7" touch screen and the storage bins? It looks like a cross between the Mondos standard features and upgrades and the Kaiyens of which there is no reason to buy a Mojo if you want a pro tower.
2,600 for 3.0 and G6
1,010 for the 7"
3,730 pro tower
Makes it 2,500 less than a Makai
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Originally Posted by Guppydriver
I have never heard of this before. I've towed with 14in wheels for 15+ yrs and never had a problem. And i tow faster than 70mph on the open road:eek:
Good. Because I don't want to spend the money. Maybe those particular tires are just rated for a later speed rating.Quote:
Originally Posted by 996scott
One interesting thing when I was looking at some "spy" pics (lol) on the sales guys phone of the Mojo. It appeared that there was not a seatback rest on the starboard side bench by the drivers seat. We zoomed and didn't see any supporting hardware. I was really surprised because it's standard on the Max and an awesome feature. Perhaps it's just a pre production prototype that's not finished yet. Now it does have a seat rest on the observers side and there is actually a space between the Ob seat and the rest of the bench where the observer can put their legs. It looks like the head rest can fold down to fill that gap when you prefer to have a long bench. I think the nautiques have something similar. I'll bummed if the SB side headrest is gone on the Mojo though. Jeremy at MP has a call in to his rep to see what he can find out.
Moomba only offers 14’s and 18’s? Supra offers 15’s and 18’s. I personally would opt for a load range D or E 15. Ask your dealer to make it happen. Boatmate will let you order whatever you want.
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I agree, get the right load range. Or, if they wont, just have your dealer swap the tires. That should be fairly simple. You can sell the tires that came with it for half price and recover some of the coast. I believe I paid ~100$/tire last year. Maybe a little more, don't remember, for load range D's.Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
The 15 load range D carry quite a bit more than the 18’s and are the most robust option for trailering.
18’s are good too, but mostly for bling factor
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So I built a Mondo (plus 9,940 to get the price of a Mojo) and a Makai. Specd identical
Both with 3.0 and G6, pro tower, 7" screen, storage bins, tower sound prewire only and some other options that were the same.
Mojo would be 97,510 MSRP
Makai would be 99,010 MSRP
Difference of 1,500
Both with 2.0 and G6, pro tower, 7" screen, storage bins, tower sound prewire only and some other options that were the same.
Mojo would be 96,220 MSRP
Makai would be 97,900 MSRP
Difference of 1,680
The only difference in how I would order it was the Makai you can get the underwater lights for 510 the Mondo (and I assume the Mojo) doesn't show that as an option.
Talking to my dealer, he's saying "for some unknown reason" they purposely excluded underwater lights from 2021 Mojo. All the other 2021's have them. He said that the dealers were trying to get SC on board with having them as an option but currently it does not.
Same goes for the REVO audio package...
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So does it seem like Moomba is kind of milking the options at higher cost? I think i got more standard with my 19 mondo than you get with the 2021.
SB side has a std backrest behind the driver.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guppydriver
You get alot more std on the 21s than the 19s. Optional on the 19s were Autowake, Flow 2.0, Gatorstep, board racks, etc. All are std on the 21s. Not to mention, most boats are coming std with considerably more ballast. You get auto leveling and ballast sensors in the base boats now as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by jason1973
There's obviously a lot of options you can add, but the base boat is much more equipped than prior years.
Yep. Confirmed by my dealer who talked his rep. The pics were just pre production.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mobius22
Was it the green and white boat?Quote:
Originally Posted by Guppydriver
yep!Quote:
Originally Posted by bmjenkins82
Can't wait for it to be released publicly
Got my dealer to get pretty aggressive on a Max and Mojo...Marine Products is pretty awesome....I am putting a deposit down in the next few days..
I swear to all that is holy I can't make up my damn mind, I'm the guy that will stare and study the peanut butter option at the grocery store for ten minutes instead of just grabbing the Jif.
Looks like 10G id the difference between my very loaded Max (No tritons and 14 inch wheels) and a similarly loaded Mojo...
I could probably get the difference down to 9G by taking off the docking lights (not even avail on the Max), GPS mapping, and windscreen.
Anyway...trying to figure out what the benefits of the Mojo are..Couple questions for any insiders...
1. Will the Mojo have hinged seats?
2. Do you think the huge WM bag buster (1345) will fit in the Mojo and if not, do you think WM will have a bad ready for the Mojo that ups the standard ballast. The reason I ask is the dealer will install it for me during dealer prep when I get the boat in April.
You guys think the Mojo will be 10 grand better than the Max???
I've never owned a surfboat (owned sterndrives forever ), but without detail of the Mojo the best I can tell is the advantages over the Max are..
6 inches longer
Flow 3
Rev 10's available
True Walk Thru..
A little more attention to detail
More attractive exterior
Does that sound about right? Worth 9-10G's?
I think more than likely I will lose a little freeboard compared to the enormous freeboard of the Max, but I don't think it will be huge.
I'm not an insider...I have the same conundrum. Trying to decide if the Mojo is the right fit. When you say "get pretty aggressive on a Max and Mojo", how aggressive were they in pricing on the Mojo? Can you give an estimated % off MSRP?