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So after two months and about 75 hours in our new Makai I'm really scratching my head on getting the wave right. I have the upgraded wakemakers bags in the back and 500lbs of lead, almost all in the back, and the wave just feels so soft compared to other boats I have ridden. I have ridden behind a Mastercraft x23 and Tige 23zx and both have so much more push and the wave feels much more solid. One day we went straight from my Makai into the X23 and it was crazy the difference. I realize these are more expensive boats but I didn't expect the difference to be so dramatic.
We tow between 10.6 and 11 and usually have about 400-500lbs of people in the boat and run the center tab between 20-40 and side tab between 60-90. Am I expecting too much out of our Makai or do I just need to keep adding weight?
Pull the center plate up to 0 and speed up to 11.2 to 11.6 and see how it feels.Quote:
Originally Posted by benny32
Do you have a link to the upgraded wakemakers bags you bought? Did you replace your stock rear bags or are the wakemakers just added as additional bags in addition to stock? You said you have them in the back, where did you put them exactly? What pitch are you running at? Flow 2 or 3?Quote:
Originally Posted by benny32
I've had good results with 9-9.5 pitch, 11mph, 0-15 wp. 20-40 on your wp seems too high compared to what I've seen posted by many on this forum.
If you have 500 lbs leadwake, my guess is that you'd need 1000 lbs of additional water/lead AND 4-5 adult passengers to really get it to start waking up. Can always gain some push by pitching up to 10-11 deg, (you lose some length when you do).
I got these. https://www.wakemakers.com/supra-and...r-upgrade.html They replace the stock bags. Pitch is usually around 10 and it's Flow 3.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hayden
I've used that 20-40 based on the dealer recommendation but I haven't been blown away by the dealer so I'm certainly open to other opinions. I'll try it up more. I thought I read that push decreases as speed increases so I've kept it low but if you think a bump past 11 might help I'll give a try.
I would move some of your lead forward into the bow. 10 degrees of pitch could be lowering the push. If weight is concentrated towards the stern, the bow becomes more buoyant and won’t displace as much water. Goal is to keep enough of the bow and stern in the water and achieve pitch and roll numbers.
Center plate less than 20. Make sure to burp your bags and top them off after every run. When you pitch >10 degrees you could be losing volume from the bags. Increase speed to 11.2-12.1 dependent on rider ability.
Which side are you surfing? Reg or goofy?
What degree of roll are you achieving for surf side? You’ll want to move lead and people there.
If running goofy, you’ll need more roll to counter prop rotation and cavitation.
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I'll try moving some lead back to the front and try to get the pitch around 9-9.5. I'll also try bumping the speed to 11.2 and going up from there see if there's any difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2in2out
Everyone we have ride is regular and we run about -1 to -2 roll.
Start here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt8VVwwEwn4
About the 5 minute mark you start seeing numbers that would get you what you are looking for.
First question is have you checked the calibration on your inclinometer? Make sure that is good first.Quote:
Originally Posted by benny32
Next have you watched this video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt8VVwwEwn4&t=1s
If not check it out and look at the numbers Robert is using with the Flow 3.0 Setup. Also note his speeds. As others have stated you need to bump your speed up. It seemed counter intuitive to me but it really woke our wave up when I bumped ours up to 11.3 mph.
On the water when you fill your bags make sure that you burp them and get all the air out. If you are not doing this you are missing out on several hundred pounds of ballast. Make those changes and see what your results are. I try to change one thing at a time and then test to make sure I know what impact each one has and so I can repeat it.
As you are setup now you are 1,200 # above stock ballast plus 500-600 in passengers (which is a light crew) plus gear. With this setup you should be able to make a decent wave with decent push but most people with great waves on a Makai are running the 1350s in the rear and anywhere from 1k-1700# in lead depending on their crew. I am currently running 1k in lead and am able to make a fun wave, but I have had times where I had 12 adults on my boat and the wave was awesome. So that being said I want an awesome wave and have the 1350s sitting waiting to be installed I just need to find some time. My point in all that is to say that depending on your expectations you might need more ballast in whatever form that is (lead or water). As far as your lead placement goes check out Robert's videos on that here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKiSpHn1hug
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRX6v9QpycI
(reason I am sharing all the videos is that most of us have watched them so sometimes we assume others have and know what we are talking about)
Another point as others have stated your center plate should stay between 0 and 20 when surfing. Anything beyond 20% deployed really starts to counteract your ballast.
The Makai has the potential to make an amazing wave it just takes a little more tweaking than the premium brands to get it dialed in.
Great information! Thank you so much for taking the time to put this together. I'll power through those one at a time and see if I can find the combination of changes to make it go. I haven't been burping bags, though that's a really easy change with the new bags. Are you doing that with the subfloor bags? I'll definitely check the inclinometer and to verify the reading.
Thanks again!
Ya no problem! As far as burping the bags I am only burping the rears as the "mid ship" bags that are sub floor do not have a fitting to burp them. They have the little flat fitting that is supposed to be self burping but they don't work very quickly. The subfloor bow bag I have no idea how to even get to any fittings on lol. For those bags I just flip my switches up a couple times during the day until they over flow out the side as they will slowly bleed the air out with those fittings. I don't love that solution but is all I have for now.
When I do my install on the 1350 rear bags I am putting overflow lines off of the top of the bags and tying them into their respective over flow lines as well so there will be no need to burp them in the future. I am also putting check valves on all of my overflow lines. At that time I am going to try and find a solution to venting all of the subfloor bags in the same manor. Not sure if it is feasible but I will just have to see.
As far as your inclinometer goes just download an app on your phone and put it on the floor between the helm and the dog house, flip on autowake and see if there any major deltas in pitch or roll. Then if there are you can recalibrate it (there is a video for that too if you need it) LOL
I run the pumps on my Makai until water comes out of the overflow too, but still had lots of trapped air in them. Here is a video of how much air.
https://youtu.be/JvPQ9EbPzy0
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Ya the rears I burp like that as well then fill until it over flows out the side. The sub floor ballast you can't burp like that so I fill until it over flows out the side but those bags will still have air in them as well. So the best you can do (to my knowledge) is to just keep topping them off periodically throughout the day because they have those little flat check valves on them so they will just bleed the air out slowly. The sub floor bags are the ones I want to find a solution to.Quote:
Originally Posted by HFarr
I saw a max mod thread where someone showed their overflow check valve venting solution and planned on doing that as a winter project when the boats in the shop. Thanks again folks.
You're saying the Makai stock rear bags have an additional connection to a midship/subfloor bag? I did not know. Is it plumbed straight of the front of the rear bags?Quote:
Originally Posted by TXSurf4
Yes at least on my 2019 not sure if they have changed it to the L Shaped bags like on the Mojo yet. Each of the Makai’s rear bags are 1,000# those are then plumed off of the front of the bag through a bulkhead to a 400# bag that is under a removable floor. The 400 can also be swapped out for an 800 but you lose most of the storage under the seats.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hayden
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There is a port on the front of my bags that run forward into the midship bags. I have been thinking about removing that floor under my bench seats and going to bigger bags there. Wakemakers doesn't advertise a drop in but I was going to measure and get customs and vent them them back to the overflow as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by TXSurf4
Ya that is definitely the best option if you don't mind giving up the storage. That would increase you another 800# or more depending on how you have the bags built. I don't "need" the storage but it is a great spot for my cooler and I also don't mind the lead as we are on the lake so the boat stays in the lift year round so trailering is not an issue. I am considering using a hole saw and putting a hole in the removable floor to run a vent line off of the midship bags. Once they are full there is no room to run it under the floor so that seems like the best option.Quote:
Originally Posted by benny32
Whaaaat? Really? I am going to have to look closer at mine next time to see if the 21 has that setup.Quote:
Originally Posted by TXSurf4
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Pretty sure yours does as well as I doubt they have changed that. The L shaped bags on the Mojo are pretty sweet as you only have to vent that bag but if you want to add on top of it under the seats you have to add new plumbing to piggy back off the rear bags where as on our Makais you just have to buy a larger bag for the subfloor bag and swap it out but then it is no longer subfloor lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by HFarr
If so, that is an awesome way to add some easy weight!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by TXSurf4
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I moved more lead to the bow and got the pitch at 9-9.5 and increased speed to 11.3 and it was a huge difference in firmness. Doesn't feel soft anymore and I can actually pump against it! I did lose a noticeable amount of size in the form of height but it did lengthen out. I suspect now I just need more displacement if I want it bigger. Thank you so much for the help everyone.
Your suspension is spot on! Invite everyone you know to go to the lake. Need 6 adults minimum and have them sit where ever to achieve the same pitch, roll numbers. Once you see this though you will be spoiled on light crew days and start adding my bags to your boat. I had 10 out Saturday and the wave was a litter short (needed more bow) but it was and very large wave.Quote:
Originally Posted by benny32
Ya no worries! Glad to hear it worked out. As far as the size you are spot on, just add more weight. Moving some lead to the bow and speeding up made the wave longer and firmer but sacrificed some height once you add some more weight you will find the sweet spot.Quote:
Originally Posted by benny32
Got any pictures??
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I'll try to grab some this weekend if the weather cooperates!Quote:
Originally Posted by HFarr