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Love that dark red on those fords... but I’m partial anyway! Lol
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Just picked up a 2018 F150 FX4 SCREW 3.5EB tow package etc.....
But Ford really is misleading. Tow chart says it can tow 10,700# as equipped but factory hitch is only rated at 5000# and 500# tongue weight which the majority of wake boats exceed.
Even my brothers 18 F150 with max tow package rated for 12,700# has the same 5000# hitch.
I doubt many wake boat owners use weight distribution hitch set ups.
The fix was to simply buy a Curt class 4 hitch with a 10000# trailer weight and 1000# tongue rating
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Argh so f-ing jalous about your cars, we don't have pickups in denmark unless i import them .. nice tow-cars..
The other problem with many 1/2 tons is payload, but not really a problem for boats.Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
Absolutely a concern if the assumption of a 7100 lb trailer weight assuming a 10% tongue load.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoebox
Truck weight + tongue weight + passengers+ gear fast approaches most 1/2 ton GVW’s/Payloads.
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True, but getting right up to the limit isn't a problem. It's just something most don't think about when thinking about towing, and truck manufacturers sure don't tell you when advertising "tow ratings".Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
I don't think there's a 1/2-ton out there that is rated for the payload that a 10k+ trailer will put on it.
Dead nuts true, 1/2 tons are not the towing monsters that OEM marketing makes them out to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoebox
I only caution you all have correct equipment and understand the limits even when an OEM claims 11-12k# towing capacity on a 1/2 ton.
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Chalk up another for GM. 2011 GMC Sierra 2500 with 6.0L.
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2018 F150 factory hitch only rated for 5000#, even on the MAX tow package.Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
Factory hitch is integral to the rear bumper assembly.
CURT manufacturing makes a 10000# hitch that works around the factory hitch
FORD is dumb.
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Wow, that is dumb.
It says right there weight distributing is rated for 11,600+ lbs...Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
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How many people do you see using WD on their boats?Quote:
Originally Posted by rdlangston13
None but I also want to know what other manufacturers rate their half tons to tow more than 5000 weight carrying? Is this a ford issue or a half ton in general issue. I do find it interesting that our expedition can pull 6000 lbs weight carrying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoebox
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Ever try backing up a trailer with a WD hitch?
I will say wake boats push the limits of a 1/2 ton.
Ford is just not 100% transparent on the 1/2 ton towing capacity.
You are only as good as the weakest link, the factory hitch is that weakness.
Funny, wife’s 2015 Silverado has a factory 10000# hitch.
Ford is still dumb and I can only imagine how many F150’s are out there towing $125k+ wake boats exceeding the factory hitch by 2000#+
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I thought we had this conversation last year when I bought my f150. The conclusion was that all manufacturers advertised tow ratings were based on the weight distributing hitch numbers. My dealer was 100% clueless about this when I confronted them about it after the sale. It's not just wake boat owners, I doubt the majority of people crawl under the hitch and check the tag.
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All this talk got me curious about what my truck is rated for looks like even when you look up ram they say 5,000 lbs is max for weight carrying hitch see number 4. Guess they say that too cover their ass even though I’ve hauled a skid steer on a bumper pull and that’s a lot heavier then a boat. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...c8a21edee4.jpg
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But does it cover your ass?
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That hitch breaks and you damage another vehicle, your insurance won't cover you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Edo88
The good news is a class 4 hitch is cheap, well worth $150.
Check your ball mount and trailer ball ratings as well.
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I’ve got a class 4 hitch I just think it’s funny how their website says 5k limit on it.
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It’s probably got more to do with the balance and stability of the vehicle than it does with how much the hitch can hold.
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OEM’s need to put together towing flow charts.
So many things to consider.
Can the truck tow X number or pounds......
Can your hitch handle trailer and tongue weight......
Do you exceed payload......
Is ball mount rated higher than trailer weight....
Is trailer ball rated higher than trailer weight.....
Just can’t blindly trust the OEM and OEM equipment, responsibility is on the owner.
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You mean like this?
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And in the notes at the bottom, it notes that you need a weight distributing hitch for the higher weights.Quote:
Originally Posted by rdlangston13
No, that tow chart only covers the truck and is vague at best telling you if the hitch, ball mount and ball are rated to tow that amount.
I am talking about a flow chart.
Bottom line gentlemen, make sure your hitch gear is rated to tow your boats.
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Well the ball and ball mount usually don’t come with the truck so it’s hard for the manufacture to specify those numbers
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I get it, I just wonder how many on this forum are exceeding tow capacity based on OEM towing claims.
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Easily most everyone who uses a 1/2 tonQuote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
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Get a Super Duty. End thread\Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
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I've heard most single axle trailers have a tongue weight of 10%, while a tandem axle boat trailer will only have 5% tongue weight.
If it's 10%, I have to weight distribute. If 5%, I'm good without weight distributing. I DO NOT want to weight distribute with a surge brake trailer. When is the marine industry going to figure out that electric over hydraulic brakes are the way to go for these heavy ass boats?
I think they avoid electric over hydraulic because for a long time trucks did not come with trailer brake controllers. That is slowly changing but there still a lot of people without brake controllers. We have one in our Expedition but our ram doesn’tQuote:
Originally Posted by Ryann
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Looking at getting used 2014 JEEP GRAND CHEROKEE LIMITED WITH NAVIGATION & 4WD with TRAILER TOW GROUP IV package $645
Rear Load Leveling Suspension, 7 & 4 Pin Wiring Harness, Delete Rear Tow Hook, Class IV Receiver Hitch
OR
2014 DODGE DURANGO LIMITED AWD with TRAILER TOW GROUP IV package $995
Rear Load Leveling Suspension, 7 & 4 Pin Wiring Harness, Class IV Receiver Hitch, Steel Spare Wheel, Heavy Duty Engine Cooling, Full Size Spare Tire
Normal towing is only a few miles, but looking at putting an 8 hour ride with 2017 CRAZ.
Both claim their rated to 6,200 pounds.
Concerns I should have?
I wouldn’t go with either and get a full sized suv to tow the boat. Our Mojo was 6900 lbs on the trailer.
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Whatever you get make sure you have a tranny cooler. I learned the hard way at 29000 miles with a GM product.
The Grand Cherokee and Durango are both essentially the same vehicle structurally. Craz is a big boat to tow with a mid size SUV for any distance. You can get a 2016 or 17 Expedition for almost the same money.
I agree, mid-size isn’t going to cut it unless you are towing all 8 hours on flat land. I just got back from a 4 hour tow from Ohio to Tennessee. I have a 2011 6.0 2500 GMC and was thoroughly disappointed in how it towed my Craz. This was the first time I towed the boat any distance. At one point my transmission got up to 204 degrees and the motor was constantly downshifting. I know you are going to get some of that in the mountains, but this boat felt like a big lug compared to my 05 Supra. Part of my problem is I put larger tires on the truck, but what I learned over the weekend is the 6.0L barely has more Hp than the 5.3L and actually has less torque. WTF! My next one will be the 6.2L! My dad was behind us towing a lighter rig, but he has a 2015 1/2 ton with the 5.3L and said his tranny never got over 198 degrees.Quote:
Originally Posted by rdlangston13
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204 tranny temp isn’t that bad. Mine runs 198 on the regular and on hills with a lot of shifting towing I’ve seen 204 but it immediately goes back down. I would worry if I started seeing 210+ consistently. But I have that 3.5 liter V6 that makes more torque than the 5.3 and 6.0. :-).Quote:
Originally Posted by jcarter20
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Yeah, I wasn’t worried about the 204 temp. It was only there for brief period. I guess my point was the 5.3 didn’t get as hot at my 6.0. In the exact same towing conditions. Again his boat is probably 1,000 less than mine. I was also shocked when I looked up the specs of the 6.0 vs. the 5.3. I thought the 6.0 2500 would have much more torque than a 5.3 half ton. Not the case.Quote:
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