Moomba Flow The new Wake Enhancement Device

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Originally Posted by chadjitsu1

I also saw this over the weekend at the ATL boat show. I am not totally sold on it yet. If I have to still load up one side of the boat with water then I'm totally out on it. If it works and they make it for the LSV then I will absolutely go out and immediately buy one.

I am waiting to see how it all pans out though first before jumping on board.

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I'm thinking with physics in mind...the height of the wave will be primarily due to the weight of the boat. All this system is doing is changing the convergence of the wake by extending the hull (sideways, so one side is wider than the other from center, unlike Surfgate that makes one side longer). I have not seen this system in action, but I just don't see how in the world it would make the wake much "bigger" (i.e. taller). It may change the shape of the wake to make it more "surf-able", but I don't see how it could physically make it taller unless the effect of the convergence being later may allow the wake to develop a little further with a small increase in size, but I don't think they are making these systems so that you can go ballast-less.

The benefit I think that comes from all of these systems is you could essentially run as much weight as possible and even weight in both sides of the boat and still have a good (or better) surf wave then trying to make the boat list using weight. I run 1100 left locker and 0 right locker...now I could run 1100 in each (or just my current 550 in right), adding more total weight to my boat, which should make the wake bigger. I would be willing to bet you could run your normal wakeboard ballast setup and then use the Flow system for surfing and not have to change any ballast. I think that's the biggest benefit, is not switching ballast between the two sports, which is a HUGE plus in my book. There are so many times we want to switch back and forth since I wakeboard a lot more than my family or friends, but it's so time consuming emptying the 1100 down to around 500 and filling up the 500 that a lot of times I just say "screw it, I'll wakeboard tomorrow" since everybody else just wants to surf.

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Originally Posted by chadjitsu1

I am waiting to see how it all pans out though first before jumping on board.

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Me, I'm just waiting on Drew's report, if he say's is worth it, then it may be going on

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Originally Posted by moombadaze

Me, I'm just waiting on Drew's report, if he say's is worth it, then it may be going on

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Yea what he said

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Originally Posted by moombadaze

Me, I'm just waiting on Drew's report, if he say's is worth it, then it may be going on

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Originally Posted by Sharpshooter

Yea what he said

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Pretty much what I was thinking -- the "brains" of this forum will be providing me all the R&D that I need to make a decision!!! (no pressure)

Heres another article that was just released on the FLOW.

http://moombaboats.blogspot.com/2014....html?spref=fb

My understanding is its not there to make the wave bigger, it reshapes the wave. It also will cause it to form farther back behind the boat, making the wave longer. Its also designed to work with the boat evenly weighted. Hence the talk about switching from wake boarding to wake surfing instantly.

I respect Drews thoughts on this device but knowing the difference between the Mojo wave and whats considered by the public on the best waves behind other boat manufacturers. Only thing the Mojo really needs is Length to its waves, and this device is said to give it just that. So I'm all in and on-board with the Flow.

Any price quotes from any of the dealers at the boat shows (installed)

I didn't ask sorry lol

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Originally Posted by Sharpshooter

Any price quotes from any of the dealers at the boat shows (installed)

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Should be right around $1,000

Don't wait on me. Take Matt Brow's advice and go check out a local dealer and demo it for yourself.

I think the height of the wave is dependent of the displacement of the boat and the device offsets the convergence so the rooster tail is directed to one side or the other.

ok... I have a 2003 LSV.. Any chance? I may be able to see the MRS on this over a brand new boat.

Ordered mine today from the dealer I bought my boat from and she told me should would sell it to me at cost which was $1150 talked with two other dealers that offered to get it for me for $1350. Should hopefully be here in a few weeks. She said it includes installation instructions so I might contemplate a self install instead of taking it to a local dealer.

I sent a note to my dealer a while back and they just got back to me this week. They said that it was indeed possible to add this to a '13 Mojo but that it would require additional fiberglass structure to be added and would void my hull warranty. I'm a little concerned by this, anyone else heard the same story? Dealer installed factory kits voiding warranty... doesn't give me a warm fuzzy. $1150 just in parts also seems pretty steep.... I understand there is R&D involved and there has to be some margin.... but labor and materials would much less. If additional fiberglass is required I could see this being more in the $1,500 territory.

If additional fiberglass work is needed, I will probably also investigate switching to the new '14 swim platform bracket design as the non-current design was a failure in my opinion. I believe that's what they said was the difference in the new bracket mounting, additional material for the lag bolts to anchor.

If it were possible to install the flow and convert the swim platform at a reasonable price and not void the warranty, I would be a happy camper. I'd love to hear some performance reviews as well. My dealer is pretty small time so they only have a few Moomba's throughout the year. We're wanting to get into surfing this year and I'd like to avoid additional ballast... the Mojo is touted as a "surfing machine" but it's unsurfable out of the box.

Regardless, April can't come soon enough....

Bumping for visibility...

Adding a Flow device to a 2013 Mojo does not invalidate the warranty, so long as installed by an authorized dealer.

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Originally Posted by RickT

Adding a Flow device to a 2013 Mojo does not invalidate the warranty, so long as installed by an authorized dealer.

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Rick, thanks for this piece of information. I found it quite unusual that a dealer installed factory kit would void the warranty. I will discuss further with my dealer (I assume they are authorized). I'm really excited to try the new system out!

I'm hoping to get out this upcoming weekend to demo the new Flow system on a 2014 Mojo with 1100 sacs in the rear compartments, I am coming from an 04 XLV so should be quite a bit different. i will get as much video and photos as I can! Just hoping for warm weather here this weekend so it pans out!

Just talked with roger from SC he informed me that no hull work is needed for the 2013 mojo flow system.

I am assuming no work would be needed on the 12 Mojo? Hull is the same on 13 and 14 right?


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I talked with a dealer at the Chicago show that indicated that the Flow was not designed specifically for the Mondo and Mojo hulls and the only thing needed to retrofit the device to the other models was simply to mill a different bracket to the contour of the hull of the other models. He predicted that it should be available in the March / April timeframe which I believe someone else (Drew?) in this thread mentioned.

Sounded like great news to this OBV owner who has a goofy surfer in his crew!!!

I like the sounds of that:D

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Originally Posted by reeder

I like the sounds of that:D

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So the 08 obv is the same hull as the 05 lsv........ correct? Please please please moomba make one to fit my boat!!

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Originally Posted by mikenehrkorn

I talked with a dealer at the Chicago show that indicated that the Flow was not designed specifically for the Mondo and Mojo hulls and the only thing needed to retrofit the device to the other models was simply to mill a different bracket to the contour of the hull of the other models. He predicted that it should be available in the March / April timeframe which I believe someone else (Drew?) in this thread mentioned.

Sounded like great news to this OBV owner who has a goofy surfer in his crew!!!

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Whoa now, if that is true and will fit a NG OBV (2009+) then I would be very interested in it as well.

Drew?? Comment??? Drew?? Hello?? ;-)

Please post a video or some comments. Can't wait to hear/see this device in action

Don't know if I've seen this mentioned, but is the cost of the Flow for both port & starboard sides, or just one?

The comment about the device being designed only for certain boats, I believe, is accurate but the mounting brackets are unique to each hull. The Mojo and Mondo have very similar transom hull designs. The other models do not. There is a very pronounced "hook" to the LSV hull. My guess is that this is impeding the design process. The bracket looks to be a piece of milled aluminum & there would/will be a lot to cut out on the LSV hull. But, I do think it will happen.

I also think a FLOW will be developed for the NGOBV (2009+ hull). Similar obstacle to overcome with that hull as the LSV.

I think those that do not have a hull that is currently in production are not going to be able to purchase a FLOW device. I have no "inside info" supporting this, but from a business perspective, it really doesn't make sense.

There are videos and pics of the device in action already on the internet. Search and you'll find them.

Price is for a complete system - FLOW tabs on each side of the boat.

Thanks Drew. I'm sure someone (Ron) will have it by the Jam - if they have the LSV option by then - and I'll go from there.

I would love to see some vids/reviews of the Mojo with the Flow and stock G3D ballast.

I just received a quote of $1550 ~ $1750 for the flow installed... quite a bit higher than I'd hoped.

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Originally Posted by uniwarking

I would love to see some vids/reviews of the Mojo with the Flow and stock G3D ballast.

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The pictures taken are with stock ballast according to rep at boat show.

Damn, if it keeps going up in price it better be automated, every time I see a new quote it's gone up. At that price ill just update my ballast


2013 Moomba LSV

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Originally Posted by uniwarking

I just received a quote of $1550 ~ $1750 for the flow installed... quite a bit higher than I'd hoped.

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It seems prices are fluctuating, and this very well might be partly dealer, and partly your regional area. I have my Flow on order, I plan to take my boat down in Feb to get everything installed. I will be happy to share my dealer's price for the install. I think it would only be a reference though.

Once mine is on and we have a chance to be on the lake you can bet ill be trying it out, pictures and video.

Last year we where lucky and we where on the lake in March. Thats the earliest we can go to the Lake since ours doesn't open till March 1st.

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Originally Posted by mmandley

It seems prices are fluctuating, and this very well might be partly dealer

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No doubt about it, Mike. Different dealers/shops have different shop rates. That's true for anything and I don't think the mfg can't really do anything about it.

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Originally Posted by wolfeman131

No doubt about it, Mike. Different dealers/shops have different shop rates. That's true for anything and I don't think the mfg can't really do anything about it.

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I persoanlly haven't even asked my dealer what it will cost. To me it a must not an option LOL. I know my dealer will take care of me. Buying 2 boats, and as much gear, parts, service I do, I almost have my own rate for things now LOL. Its always smart to get in good with your local dealer.

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Originally Posted by mmandley

I persoanlly haven't even asked my dealer what it will cost. To me it a must not an option LOL. I know my dealer will take care of me. Buying 2 boats, and as much gear, parts, service I do, I almost have my own rate for things now LOL. Its always smart to get in good with your local dealer.

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I think Radich at AWS quoted me between $1300 and $1400 installed at the boat show. Seems fair for a piece of factory equipment.

How many man hours should this install take? I wouldnt' think it would be more than 1 ~ 2 hrs.

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Originally Posted by uniwarking

How many man hours should this install take? I wouldnt' think it would be more than 1 ~ 2 hrs.

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Sea Ray of Cincy said it took 2 guys about 2 hours for the first one which would mean they bill the customer a little extra than the 4 hours maybe.

What am I missing? I would think you just need to find/measure the location, drill the holes and bolt it on........can't imagine two hours unless a 12-pack was also involved. :)

I just attended the Dallas boat show and the Moomba factory rep was there. The wake enhancement is not available yet for the newer LSV models. I have a 2013. My dealer said as soon as its available, they will notify me.
All the manufacturers haves some device now hanging off the back of their boats to enhance the wake, and move it back away from the transom. More room to surf without hitting the back of the boat.

I heard Rick T was in Dallas this weekend so that's probably the "rep" you talked to. I would bet whatever info he shared is pretty accurate ha