I am sure 2024 Makai price will be more.Quote:
Originally Posted by SONIC
Looks better than the max in my opinion.
What tower is that? Pro tower or something new?
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I am sure 2024 Makai price will be more.Quote:
Originally Posted by SONIC
Looks better than the max in my opinion.
What tower is that? Pro tower or something new?
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I’m betting the Moomba product line will make more sense once it all comes out.
Best-bang for your buck boats.
Next line up will have more premium features and options.
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I like the paddles for the cruise & plate, is that new for ‘24? Never been in love with the styling convention of the Max so this doesn’t crank my tractor but always good to see SC staying ahead of the curve.
Can you provide more details/Info on "Next line up"?
Thanks,
Shawn
The builder is up and looks like you can get the A3 or Pro tower and can get the 400, 450 or 575 engine.
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Other models are not updated with 2024 pricing or features, they're still 2023 pages. Tykon pricing is the only 2024 pricing shown. Makai and other models got a lot of new features for 2024 that will be released next week. Needless to say, there's a price gap between the two and they're not aiming for the same buyer.Quote:
Originally Posted by SONIC
Yes, those are new. The Tykon is a new model but the other models are where you'll really see the "new" stuff for 2024.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tommy2slow
I just noticed it has 3 outlets on each side. Did y’all add individual overflow venting for midship bags now? Or is that multiple bilge pumps too?
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New racks look cool. Need to look at them in person.
Bow looks H-U-G-E
New tow hooks on the tower are nice.
I use these ALL the time in my Supra. Makes life easy when switching out riders, people moving around, and making small adjustments to the wave.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tommy2slow
I do like that moomba is the only brand that names their boats.
Most use letter/number combos only.
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Drew, curious why the newer moomba models don't design for a 16" prop?
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Better question for @goose
I’ll give my response here but also let Matt (goose) respond as well. To be honest, we might all have differing opinions when it comes to this but I think that just shows that there is always a give and take when it comes to items like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
I know you’re not supposed to answer a question with a question, but what are you expecting a 16” prop to do for you? The engineering of the hull and stringers, engine, transmission, and prop all have to work together to achieve a certain performance level/expectation. If you look back over the years of course we’ve had many different models geared at the various sports, many different variations of gm engines, different transmissions, all sorts of prop sizes even down to 13”, and more recently to Ford engines with a 1.5:1 and now 1.7:1 ratio and we’ve come up from a 14.5” prop to 15.5” prop. Again, all of these things have to work together to achieve a desired outcome. And then you can also throw in possible issue SL such as prop burn, cavitation, slippage, etc….
In my opinion, our current engine,transmission ratio, and prop size is optimum for today’s boats and what we are trying to achieve. We are seeing great torque and power where it is needed and our fuel economy isn’t half bad either relatively speaking. When I say this I am considering all of the different sports or activities that our boats are used for including surfing, wakeboarding, skiing, tubing, cruising, etc. I’m not sure that re-engineering everything just to go to a 16” prop would give you this same outcome. Just my $0.02.
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Since this is about the Tykon maybe I should also add that I’ve spent some time in a heavily weighted Tykon with the 450 engine and standard 15.5x16.5 prop and it performed surprisingly well here at TN elevation. Weight for surfing was standard 4500 lbs full plus 8-10 adults. Wakeboarding was about 3500 lbs and same passenger load.
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So how is the Surf wave comparable to the other boats?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon
In floor cooler?
It is VERY good. The running surface is similar to other models in the line so you can expect very similar characteristics. This is a big boat and like all big boats, you need weight in it to “sink” it. The standard 4500 lbs of ballast does a great job. Like with all of our boats, however, you should be primarily picking your model based on the size of your passenger load and body of water. Different than some of our competitors, you shouldn’t buy a specific model based on general wake performance. When it comes to the Tykon separating itself from the similar size Makai, you’ll just have to keep any eye out for the rest of the 2024 info. These two boats will go after different types of buyers.
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No Flow 3.0....assuming to keep cost down under Makai.
No G6 upgrade??? Why? Are these bigger ballast pumps than Puppies?
What is the bracket under the rear lockers? In the walk-thru video she flips open the locker and it is mounted on the underside of the cover. I assume that is for the flip up stern seats.
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It has the in floor trash can and storage tray above batteries like some other models.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mxmark4
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Flow 3 is an option. I can tell you that the standard Flow 2 works great though. Come to think of it, all of my time with the Tykon has been with Flow 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Holdmybeer
G6 ballast is optional. Same ballast pumps as years before. We are keeping this an option to keep cost down for those customers in which fill times doesn’t mean much to them. Yes, they do exist.
The brackets/hinges are indeed for the optional flip up transom seats.
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haha. that's us. we always enjoyed a quick swim or a cold one when swapping sides in the supra years ago. good time to soak up some sun and relax.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon
What pitch and roll setting were you running surfing and do you recall speed and rpm?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon
As for 16" prop, if Supra is running them, it's gotta be better ;-). I may be wrong but hasn't Supra made the switch to 16" props over the past few years?
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I always shoot for a 8.5-9.5 pitch. For roll, I adjusted the AutoWake settings to put me at -1 on the port side and 2.5 starboard. I always like it to where the wave has just cleaned up (not too much roll).Quote:
Originally Posted by cucv
Speed range was 11-11.4. I don't remember the exact RPM's but maybe in the 3500 range?
You are correct in the Supra has used the 16" prop for a couple of years. You've got to remember, we are just talking about half an inch here BUT this is where the whole package comes into place. Yes, its the same engine and transmission but different hulls, different weights of the boat, and also a slightly different performance expectation. Yes, Moomba and Supra are both part of Skier's Choice, but our engineering direction comes from different places.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffGxEM3zoNs
Thrusters.....Cant wait to see the price tag on these boats.
The base MSRPs have been updated on the home page, the builder page pricing hasn't updated just yet. Would like some of the new features, but I like my old price tag over the new ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by TXSurf4
That is a decent looking tower with much improved Bimini. Is it power? What speakers are those?
Glad the thrusters have made it to moomba line.
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roswell speakers. same grills anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
Speakers look underwhelming, perhaps no more wet sounds?Quote:
Originally Posted by sandm
I know nothing about Roswell audio.
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iirc roswell was in bed with exile. different grills but same basic speakers. likely from same chinese plant. could be wrong as samson was same as one as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
supra comments I remember seeing are that supra is now designed in house and the pics of the SV speakers would confirm. figure that's only the pods, that the speakers are still being sourced from a named supplier. interesting they didn't do the same setup with moomba in a slightly smaller scale but guessing roswell is cheaper than in-house cnc.
Yep the tower is electric and it folds for an over tower cover just like the supra.Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
That's a really nice moomba upgrade!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by TXSurf4
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I know I have been away from the intrawebs for a while but man these features!! https://www.moomba.com/makai/
I guess the Makai, Mojo and Craz are the new " Supras" of 2019 with likely MSRPs easily getting up in to the 160s..... Crazy that Supra, Malibu, Gs are basically Super Boats and that isn't even talking about Paragons or Pavatis....they will be Hyper Boats soon......who will be the first to make a 1M wake boat?
That was the first thing I noticed on the Moomba with tower down.
Then I noticed it again on the Wake9 video.
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Anyone notice the new surf pipe and wake plate design?
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Yes, not sure how this is an advantage to route through the wake plate.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJHSupra
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I'd guess spray controllQuote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
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What’s the real difference in all the models 23’ and above? The better question is which one throws the biggest and or best wave. I’d like to see how each wave looks with 6000 ballast.