Agreed. With the extra bow bags I plumbed in this year, I'm finding 9-9.3 pitch is a perfect balance.Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
I want for nothing....except a thruster.
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Agreed. With the extra bow bags I plumbed in this year, I'm finding 9-9.3 pitch is a perfect balance.Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
I want for nothing....except a thruster.
Ah, the thruster!
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What thruster are you thinking of adding?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hayden
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Larry the mind reader:
https://forum.moomba.com/showthread....sion-thrusters
Here is another brand that I have seen mounted on different boats. Somewhere around 4K I believe for a Moomba setup. Still at that price point that makes me say I dont quite need it that bad.
https://www.ezdrivethruster.com/
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A dealer here in WI has a new Mastercraft discounted ~$70,000. Msrp 250, selling $180.
What model? That's a crazy amount to discount something. You would think the mfg's would just adjust the msrp down. I think that would help sales more in an overall perspective. If there is someone who has never purchased a boat before and doesn't know dealers have that kind of leeway with discounts, they may see the manufacturer suggested price and never even try to buy one.
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That is a big discount.Quote:
Originally Posted by brad460
The dealer here in Knoxville also had some leftover boats at a deep discount. I recall the NXT22s listed at 99K (did not include the 7k trailer). A sub 100K boat.
And some XT24s for around 150/175K. One of their flagships, X24, was at 225K.
They discontinued Mastercraft last spring and picked up the Nautique brand. A new dealer, Current Watersports, will get the Mastercraft territory.
MC is like BU, building a lot of boats and they are now there is finally inventory sitting on the dealer lots. Wait until the 2024s come out. July/August are the months.
28% discount is really good but not unheard of. Considering dealers might finally be sitting on new inventory certainly motivates deeper discounts with new model year boats being announced.
I recall a similar cycle in mid 2000's where dealers had New old stock on ATV's, boats and PWC's and they were giving them away. I bought a 2 year old Honda Aquatrax in 2005 for 45% off MSRP.
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Do boat builders ever do that? I assume that's why different models come out.Quote:
Originally Posted by HFarr
How do you think those people will feel that purchased 2023s last fall/winter and the neighbor down the street is getting the same for 30-40K cheaper? Not saying SC, but more along MC or BU.
Good deals, good product, and good service sells boats. MSRP is just funny money - starting point for discounts.
I have never seen boat MSRP's drop. The damage done by a few years of high inflation is permenant, it just set the new baseline. Even if inflation drops to sub 4%, MSRP's won't drop.
Perhaps the discounts will partially offset high MSRP, that's how capitalism works. Simple supply and demand.
I understand Tesla did in the EV world, only difference is EV competition got really heavy forcing Tesla to compete.
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I agree. Think about the SA prices over the years starting from that 2018. That was a great boat for a good price.Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
The 2018 SA400 could be had right at or below 100k fully loaded. It is an awesome boat. The crazy part is 2018's sell for more now than when they were new.
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no one ever drops msrp. taking same basic "unit" for sale and creating a new model are the best ways to drop msrp.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJHSupra
I think 'bu and mc are showing where the market will be going. other boat builders don't have the inventory out there that they do but having that excess hurts all.
people will balk at a 15% discount on a supra boat IF the competing mc/bu are 30% off. ANY good salesman will be able to show the benefits to a new customer why buying a bu/mc is better than SC.
Sorry, just noticed it’s a left over 2022 boat..but still a decent discount..
The 2023 Mastercrafts appear to be about -20% discount..
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A mid grade Mastercraft at $250k. Good grief.
Has anyone drove or surfed an X or XT?
I know the Klipsch sound is not well liked.
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Hard to surf behind a boat designed for the ultimate tubing experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
cousin buys his boats from prestige in boise. they sell SC, tige and mc. last year he told me the owner was using an x24 as his summer boat as he loved the wake.
my opinion, he had a hard time keeping tige and SC in stock. use what you can't sell.
interesting note, he had an SL last year. i got to surf it and it was awesome to say the least sans the pricetag. he sold it and bought a 22atx as he didn't want the large price. used it a couple of outings this year and he sent me a couple pics of his new 575SE. says it's even better than the SL except the 12gph when surfing....
Says a lot to go SL to ATX back to an SE.Quote:
Originally Posted by sandm
A dialed in Supra is going to surf as well as any brand. MC and Nautty may be more luxury
(I still argue MC's are ugly and tower is unforgivable), But Supra has all I need and just left my affordability scale in the last year.
This economy is not going to help either. Inflation, interest rates and lack of wages remotely keeping up will hurt most.
But we all can agree, boats are a luxury not a need.
12gph, wow. How is he calculating his gph? I just did 10 hours last week, mix of cruise and surf and estimated 20 gallons used on a 400, and crew of 9.
Does he literally run surf mode 6-7 hours non stop?
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I believe all they do is surf. he used to board but when I was there last summer not a single board was seen. I'm sure it's simply a matter of full tank, 4hts surfing and 48 gallon fill up later. guessing that's his math. the day I went out they ran around 4hrs and it was nonstop one rider after another. he put in around 45gallons that day in his old SL with the 575.
our tige with the 400 was using around 3gph mix of 30mph to get to the cove and surfing.
I do agree with the comments on supra. if I was in the market for a top tier boat, it would be supra or centurion. no questions asked.
Been on the X22, not the X24 or X26 to ride.Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
Have not been on a recent XStar.
Been on a few XTs, not the bigger XT25.
All were nice on the Interior - fit/finish. I think they always had good interior design/function.
Drove nice too. All were able to get out of the water quickly. Good surf waves, but I know the bigger 24s/26s get huge waves. All were dialed-in already with add'l weight in the right locations.
Owners to complain about Klipsch sound system. But as a visitor onboard, it was just music to me.
Fricken towers are UGLY. Centurion is also not pleasing to the eye with that wacky speaker look.
Hope SC does not move to a future redesign and make the PTM that ugly.
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Originally Posted by larry_arizona
When we surf with 2 adults and 1k lead we are typically about that 12gph as well. I think the 575 is constantly under boost while surfing. Rpm’s run about 3450 at 11.5mph
The mfg won’t change the msrp because in the eyes of the consumer it “devalues” the product. It’s easier to put a rebate or incentivize the dealer to discount the product instead with factory help.Quote:
Originally Posted by HFarr
Yeah. I see the bad press with lowering msrp. I guess the point I was trying to make, but didn't word so well, is that the MSRP's never should have gotten as high as they are.
And that the average Joe that may have a family and has never boated before, but is thinking about getting into boating, might decide they need to look at a different hobby if they went window shopping for a new boat. Unless dealers put signs, and online ads out there telling people they can expect to pay a lot less than msrp.
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Interesting thread. We bought our 2008 outback V as a holdover in 2009. I believe we paid around $33K which according to the inflation calculator would be about $47K in today's dollars. It's been an awesome boat that my boys have grown up on. Today's new boats certainly have more to offer in terms of comfort, build quality, and technology- but I'm not sure I'll get more than double the utility out of a new one as the trusty OBV. I'll be watching prices if there ends up being some 2023 models available in 2024.
betting you will have choices. currently 2300 2023's for sale on OI and 110 are SC products. might not be quite the selection one would want but there will be leftovers. pricing and interest rates are a whole different conversation :) unless you are shopping mc or 'bu/axis, I don't suspect most of the other brands are sweating inventory.. yet...Quote:
Originally Posted by skiyaker
I read that centurion was offering significant factory discounts on remaining 2023's
20k-35k
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35k on a 180k boat is less than 20% and I bet that the 35k is on 200k+ boats. mjb929 posted up in the other supra thread that he got 17% off and that's from a boat line that doesn't appear to have a lot of inventory parked.Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
I'll use the word significant whey they hit 30%. have seen that on holdovers pre-covid.
The only difference is this is factory cash, dealers still have their discounts they can choose to offer on top.Quote:
Originally Posted by sandm
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We have Malbiu's around the mid-west going at 30%+ discount for hold over 2022's this late in the 2023 season. If they drop much more it might be too good to pass up.
I love my 2021 Makai that I bought brand new, but if I could go back in time (ha ha), I would have bought that slightly used SE 550 that my dealer had on the lot for 140k. And probably could have gotten it for little bit less to be honest. It was also red and had a custom logo gatorstep swim platform.
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But you'd have a Mali-b-ewe...lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Holdmybeer
nobody wants to be representin the 'bu.....Quote:
Originally Posted by KnoxMojo
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/...0,500,281_.jpg
I have deal at my local Supra dealer for about 24% off right now for a sa. 20k in Supra reabates.
Excellent deal anf congrats on the SA, you will love itQuote:
Originally Posted by Yzfguy06
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With the QC issues Malibu is going thru right now I wouldn't want to take on a new Bu. As nice as some of them are the QC for a 200k plus boat is awful. Torn cushions, gel issues, and other general sloppy work.
What major options does it have?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yzfguy06
Boat Cover - Over Folded Tower (Black) $1,230.00Quote:
Originally Posted by MJHSupra
Prop 16x13.9 ACME 3591 $80.00
Raptor 400 INC
Main - Metal flake $690.00
Phender Pro Cleat and GoPro Attachment $760.00
Supra Graphic - White $230.00
Gatorstep Nonskid - 3 colors $1,050.00
Heater with 2 Pull Out Vents $1,080.00
Vinyl Accent - Match Accent $250.00
Underwater Transom Lights, RGB $1,250.00
2 - Group 27 Marine Batteries $580.00
Freight from TN $5,900.00
Shipping Cover From Factory $510.00
JL Audio Tower Speakers - 1 Pair $3,220.00
Tower Contrast - Color $780.00
15" Spare Tire - Side Mount $830.00
Ratchet Transom Staps $280.00
Trailer Nonskid - 3 Color $520.00
Two Tone Fenders - Gloss Paint
Msrp was 198900 down to 15200. Also has the 400 motor.
$5900 freight has gotten out of hand.
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Where is it shipping to?
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