Yep my thinking as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
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Yep my thinking as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
I think 2022 SL400 140-145k, SL450 maybe 150-155k is what I would be looking at used. Some of those boats on onlyinboards are beautiful. For the price jump to a new one I would probably look used. A 2022 should still have 4 years of warranty
Warranty is the only thing I can think of. If you buy new and plan on selling the boat in a few years, your warranty will transfer. If you buy a used one, you are the second owner, and any warranty will not transfer to the third owner.Quote:
Originally Posted by cozilla
The SL had the redo in 2022, so the hull or ballast is not different in 2023. Sometimes there might be computer changes (if necessary).
I agree. I noticed more SL450s vs SL400s on the used market last fall. Most of the 450s were starting in the high-170s and not sure they were selling at that price point going into winter. Should be interesting to see next spring.Quote:
Originally Posted by mgswake
Most 21 and 22’s came with 7 year powertrain warranty, 5 year bow to stern (although there are several things not included)
There can be quite a range on 21-22 Supras in price, 450 and thrusters are $9k options each.
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agree 100%.Quote:
Originally Posted by mgswake
OI has gone up another 10% in the last 3 weeks and 2023 listings did as well. another interest rate hike next week should push loan rates a tick higher again.
all indicators are suggesting a market slowdown has started which will drive production cuts and larger discounts off msrp. I bet most boat builders have already talked production cuts in their staff meetings.
if I were in the market for a boat today, I'd sit out until august and see what happens. rent one several times during the summer instead of making payments. I think someone could save 10's of thousands...
housing and car prices have already started to drop.
Interest rates are the killer right now. This will hurt more than the price hikes.
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Because SC produces a lower number of boats, I assume this does not affect them as much as MC or BU.
interesting question and thought. I would have said 'bu and mc since they have other lines targeted at different customers and different pricepoints where Skiers only caters to the towboat market.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJHSupra
Not sure about greed but Definetely the long term financing and low rates contributed to the crazy price increases.Quote:
Originally Posted by mgswake
No different than what financing did to college tuition and real estate.
When did 20 year financing become a thing for rec boats? My guess is 5 years ago it was not nearly available as it is now.
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20 year financing has been around on bass boats for a long time. I know a few people around here that bought 70 thousand dollar bass boats 10 and 15 years ago, which was crazy high back then, and stretched out the payments like that to make it affordable for them.
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Good question.Quote:
Originally Posted by htfit
We took a 20 yr at 4% on our Max with 20%+ down. Main reason was to keep the payment lower so my wife wouldn’t get pissed I spent so much on a new boat. …I just told her the monthly payment, not the exact purchase price.
That being said, we make double/triple payments each month to pay it off quicker..
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The 2023 SL 400 we saw at a boat show was $219,970 msrp loaded out with stern turn, after discounts $184,450 with a 7 year power rain warranty, transferable. 2023 SE 450 was $237,140, after discounts $198,170 loaded out, with 7 year warranty. Side note, both sold at the show.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJHSupra
I can tell you this, according to the dealer I spoke with anyway, all of the moomba Makai 2023 build slots are sold out. If you want a custom boat, you’ll have to wait for a 2024 model, delivery in August 2023. If it matters.Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
As of today, 4,349 posts for sale on OI, still climbingQuote:
Originally Posted by sandm
Man! That price gap between Moomba and Supra seems to just keep growing! Sux!
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When was this and with what lender? If you don’t mind my askingQuote:
Originally Posted by brad460
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This was with US Bank back in Jan ‘21..Quote:
Originally Posted by JimLevin
Probably will be hard pressed to find anything under 6% in the current market. Check advertising on facebook groups, google search boat loans, and check local and national credit unions.
Went to the boat show in Charlotte NC yesterday. Was great to see a bunch of new stuff and made me more ready to get back out on the water.
My wife's feedback was that the only boat worth the upgrade from what we have was the G25 Paragon we walked around on :rolleyes: . It was awesome though...
Better than the Pavati? Haha.Quote:
Originally Posted by dyrmz134
The G23/G25s are pretty damn sweet.
Big jump in price from a Supra.
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The boat show special was something ~320k from an MSRP of ~390k. About 200k more than my Moomba ha! The power engine hatch, dual rear subs, thrusters that work with the steering(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61O9ncodbd0) , and overall fit and finish were impressive.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJHSupra
I have a friend that bought a 2022 Paragon. It has the Thruster Assist with the steering as well. He said that tends to over correct the turning and he doesn't like it. He keeps that turned off and just uses the thrusters in a manual fashion as needed.
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1 Moomba + 1 Supra = 1 G?Quote:
Originally Posted by dyrmz134
Yep, not too many negatives on the fit and finish.
The Thruster Assist looks easy from the video, but I guess that is what the video is designed for. Still waiting for my Paragon ride someday.
What were your thoughts on the blue SL? We liked it other than the flooring. Went Thursday and Sunday.Quote:
Originally Posted by dyrmz134
The sales rep says if I like my boat not to ride in a paragon- ha!Quote:
Originally Posted by MJHSupra
I liked it! I think it would look great on the water.Quote:
Originally Posted by cozilla
What floor did it have?Quote:
Originally Posted by cozilla
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https://www.southtownwatersports.com...ventory-20290/
GatorStep Nonskid - 3 Color Laser, Toffee/Espresso/Black
Not terrible but kinda clashed with the solid blue gel and the pecan chill tech since it has a design that looks kinda like wood.
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Ahh, I see what you mean, the black accents in thd floor throw it off a little.
Why would they only spec a single set of tower speakers?
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I noticed the single set too . . . . .
What was the boat show price on the SL450?
190k. I have seen more than a few optioned new with only one set of speakers.
Just not sure why?Quote:
Originally Posted by cozilla
It saves $2000, but if someone is spending $200k, I doubt they are worried about $2k and it's a PITA to add the second set on a Supra.
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Shouldnt the tower be prewired for a second set already tho? Wouldnt they just have to get speakers and adapters for the tower?Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
The tower is pre-wired with connectors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mxmark4
The speakers are Supra specific and can only get them from dealer due to the integrated mounting bracket and RGB LED and down lighting (not sure on cost).
Need a new amp and wiring from tower to amp.
Would need amp tuning.
All of this far more expensive than just getting them up front.
The FXone brackets for JL speakers is not available.
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With boat show season over in my area, I'm starting to receive emails from "local" dealers. Bu dealer is working hard on me. If the wife was weak like me, I would be posting my MOJO for sale.
Any thought guys? I have had a lot help on this forum so I value some opinions here.
2022 90%-95% optioned 23 LSV full 6 year warranty on everything...30% off msrp.
Only thing really stopping me is interest rates (and wife)....when did they go to 7.25%?
Bu makes really nice boats and 30% is a massive and very attractive discount even on a leftover 2022.Quote:
Originally Posted by Holdmybeer
There is a reason why the bu 23 lsv is the best selling wakeboat for so many years. They make more lsv's per year than SC makes total moombas and Supras.
Never been on a bu, so can't help you on performance. But one thing I notice when I see them surfing on the lake is bow rise is insane (mastercraft too) and every driver is oddly standing.
But they are well optioned, surf wave looks strong out of the box and well priced. Bu is part of a BIG company and vertically integrated which makes them extremely competitively priced.
7.25% started last fall. Rates will only be going up I am afraid.
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They do have a lot of bow rise. I think that is just how their system works. The Power Wedge they use is basically a dive plane that pulls the back of the boat down into the water. It makes an easy way to create a good wave though. Maybe they should come up with a smaller front mounted power wedge to pull the bow down too......Hey I want some patent commission on that Idea now that I hear it out loud!
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