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Rough day foiling yesterday ending in a chopped up wakeboard tow rope. Trying to dodge a piece of debis while turning around somehow the rope got into the prop. At first I thought it had just tangled on the rudder as most all of it came out. Then I decided to dive down and just check the prop. And there was a large chunk tangled in the prop. Had a buddy who was out on his new bass boat come to the rescue with bubba shears( which were amazing ) and I was able to dive under the boat and cut the rest of it out. That cut our time short, on the way back to the dock I ended up hitting a submerged branch. Im over the lake being so full of debris.
I tried my foil for the first time the other day and was not able to get up. I was already gassed from a long surf run. Each successive try just got worse and worse, and the 50m swims I had to do each time to recover the board didn’t help.
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I know that feeling all too well. I am going out Wednesday and looking forward to trying the foil again. Havent really been out in the last few weeks and got discouraged after tearing up the rope with the prop.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2in2out
Got the foil out once again and more frustrated than ever. Just cant seem to get it down. I swear everytime I go out I get worse. My next thing to try is to swap to shorter mast. Hoping that will help some.
I'd suggest just slowing down your boat speed to say 6-7mph. That will also slow down the amount and speed of the foil flinging you out of the water.
Also make sure the mast is as far back on the board as it will go. That will give you more control of weight on the front foot to minimize ejections and help with adjusting your weight side to side to stay over the board.
I'm guessing you already are, but only hold the rope with one hand - keeps your body in line with the board for better balance.
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I will shoot you a text. I've been out a few times with some Ktown guys that have helped me. You can try some different equipment too if you want to go riding - boards or foils.
I was just discussing that topic with someone. He told me his best attempts where the 1st tries for that day, then things go down hill.
For me, part was head-games and getting into bad-habits or just get too tired from all the pulls and wipeouts.
I bought some higher-tech equipment and it was TOO spicy for me to start on. Bucking Bronco on Steroids. I went back to some beginner equipment and back out to the long (wakeboard) line, then started to transition into a surf rope with an extension.
Need that good driver too . . . .
Still not riding w/o the rope, but this is the hardest board sport I have tried. I know it will take time this summer.
What advice would you give drivers?
We have set up rope length for 2nd wake and speed between 6-8, with slow and steady starts. I haven’t created an autowake profile for the foil. Does anyone have settings for such?
I give it 4 attempts before I’m usually too gassed to go again after long swims for the foil.
Does anyone use foot straps when beginnin? Every video I’ve watched says it’s best not to use those.
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No foot straps for me and different peeps have told me not to use them learning.Quote:
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Speed sounds right. That is what @BERGERMAISTER mentions too. I have my profile set to 10.5, but the driver tries to keep it lower, unless I start to slow down too much, where the foils lowers, then the driver can give it a little more speed to try to pick me back up or move further out. Slow throttle.
I'm running w/o ballast - only people and the lead in my boat.
I run without ballast, at 10 mph. Gonna slow it down some and see how that does. I just cant keep the board from climbing out of the water. Which sucks cause my first two days of foiling I was riding pretty good. Learning to gently cut to get outside the wake has gotten much more difficult also. 🙃 Hopefully @MJHSupra can get me squared away and make it more enjoyable. I think the best part is the laughs the boat gets when I launch that foil 5 feet out the water.
Holy 4th of July Foiling! Took the kids out todayn didnt touch the surf boards. I spent the whole day foiling with my new 18 in mast and we slowed the boat down to 8.5 and it made a huge difference! Was able to ride way more flew the foil quite a bit and started working on carving inside the wakes. I noticed I could not really get the foil to ride the second wake but I tried. I had a lot of fun on it even when it was buckin like crazy. I rode out of several would be crashes by cutting the foil hard to one side. Felt like I finally made some progress on it.
So went out today and it was awesome! Riding up on the foil, feelin better on the foil and getting out to the second wave and started to feel a bit of push! And then I was able to pump it someand get a bit of slack in the rope. Things have definitely turned around in my foil game. Might break out the taller mast and give it a shot again on Monday. Found that moving my rear foot forward helped with flying on startup, and let me lean back more for a more surf style stance when riding. All in all a good day on the water.
Went out with @knoxmojo and company today in a beautiful 21 sl. Tried a new foil out today and got going pretty quick on it. Guy tells me to just toss the rope thats its just a crutch so I did and could not believe I was riding ropeless. Its a cool feeling long lining on the foil but this was next level. Of all the things I have done in watersports I would put this as my biggest achievement yet. I have never been more excited behind the boat than today. Awesome crew,short ride but my best yet! Cant wait to do it again.
No to straps. I demoed a bunch of Armstrong foils on a short board with straps. One guy fell locked in and the foil came whipping back towards his head. It was pretty close to some blood and a concussion.
As for driving tell your driver they are pulling up their favorite 9 year old kid that has never towed before. 9mph is a good speed to start off at.
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For second wave your back foot should be right over the forward half of the mast. Front foot should just be shoulder width if not a little narrower.
I suggest you get a better foil setup since you've gotten over the beginners hump. Better gear will mean faster progression.
Armstrong HS1550 V1, 60cm fuse, 72cm mast and the 232 tail is pretty awesome. I plan to get the 1550 v2 as it is higher aspect and faster. Also planning on getting a hs1850 for wing foiling and pumping.
If you're into flat water pumping I hear the Axis png1050 is killer. It's high aspect so great glide and pump but turning isn't great. A mid aspect like the hs1550 v2 has better glide and pump but can still turn.
Btw great boat and excellent color combo. You have great tastes.
I've got the same boat!
Isn't it great not to need a huge wave, fiddle with ballast bags, lead etc
I just fill ballast 30% and for foiling that is plenty big even with only 1 person on the boat!
Spent the weekend split between my slingshot foil and a hyperlite foil. Rode both foils ropeless but just could not seem to figure out the hyperlite. I am pretty excited. No ballast other than lead, one person in boatand surf tab rifgt and I feel a ton of push, still workin thru the lift the bubble line seems to create. But going ropeless is getting easier each time. Hoping to sell my setup this fall and get an axis and a smaller board. The one saving grace of the slingshot board is the high board volume has saved me more than once.
The one thing I've learned about foiling is it's all about foot placement.
Whether it's surfing first wave, second wave, different foils, pumping etc the single most important factor is where you place your feet. It's different for each of those things.
I can surf the second wave for over 15 minutes and recover from losing the wave. Just learning to pump back more reliably and in flat water.
The hs1550 v2 apparently pumps really well and still can carve a turn. Next year's buy!
My ultimate goal is to wing foil as well as flat pumping from a dock to steal waves from surf boats
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Been lurking this thread for some time as I’ve been wanting a foil board for a while and I am definitely getting one now!
My biggest deal is I’m lost with all the different brands, sizes of boards, masts, and wings.
Ideally I’d like a beginner/advanced beginner that both my wife and I could use/most guests in the boat.
I’m 5’9”, 185#
She’s 5’4” and 135-140#
What do y’all recommend I start looking at? Or where?
I can see about demos but I’m not sure there are many in my area, unfortunately (Raleigh/Durham)
Thanks!
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Buy once cry once.
I recommend an Armstrong HS1550 V1, 60cm fuse, 72 cm mast and 232 tail. That is something you can grow into.
If you want more stable then Armstrong cf1600, 70cm fuse, 72cm mast,cf300 tail. This should be pretty stable and when you get better you can change out the fuse and tail. The cf1600 is rock solid stable and carves pretty well so it's extremely fun. The entire bost loved it. One of the guys was trying to jump it off the wave
I suppose you could go to a cf1200 then both you and your wife would be in the weight range. Only problem.wirh that is she'd be on the low end so great for her and you'd be on the high end so probably have trouble on 2nd wave. Never ridden the cf1200 so can't comment on it.
You could buy the 1600 for you and the 1200 for the wife. It's 3 screws and 5 minutes to change out.
I own the hs1550 v1 and have demoed the cf1600.
For the board it doesn't matter as much. But some thing 4' 6" would be good and make things a bit easier. Higher volume makes it easier as well.
I would avoid Liquid Force and slingshot.
I also know Axis is a good brand that a friend rides. I've never ridden them myself so can't comment.
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Wish I could say I picked the colors but we bought it used. Told my wife I would do same colors but gray bottom if I did a new boat. I love the Brittany blue!Quote:
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Buy once Cry once is what I’d like to do!Quote:
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I REALLY appreciate this and I’ll look into your recommendations.
I like the idea of 1600 and 1200 and a quick 5 minute change!!
Any other recommendations welcome. Thanks again!
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You'd probably have a lot of fun on the 1200 in the first wave. But if you wanted to ride the 2nd wave it's probably on the small side for your weight.
Anyway basically the shorter the fuse the more agile and better turning it becomes. Aka squirrelly and twitchy for a beginner. The smaller the tail has the same effect.
For Armstrong the number for the front and back wings represents square centimeters of surface area. So hs1550 is 1550 square cm.
The more surface area on the front wing the more lift it will have generally speaking. For the back wing the more surface area the more stable it is generally speaking.
Stay away from short, small low volume boards as a beginner. A bigger higher volume board will make things easier to start and save you during some touch downs and breaches.
I use a slingshot Wf1 wake surf board. It's 4'6", high volume. It's worked out pretty well for learning and has saved me many times during breaches and touch downs.
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I personally like the build quality of Armstrong. Look at the mast. It's one solid piece. Other companies screw the mast into a bracket that then screws into the board. Also I like that they use different metals for the screws and nuts to avoid corrosion. I think it's titanium bolts and some other metal for the screws
Ahhh. Thanks for the explanation. All starting to make a bit more sense now!Quote:
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Rode with @mxmark4 last night. Here are some pics.
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I will toss in a few surf pics
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Great ride and a great wave behind that Supra! Got to ride 4 different foils yesterday. 2 different lift foils, my slingshot, and MJHSupra has an exo foil which is crazy. Super stable but turns slow. Generates lift as soon as it moves forward. Was a fun ride for sure, and easily the most stable feeling foil I have had under foot yet.
Wow! Those are some great photos. Especially the two out there! Nice looking waves too by the way.
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Thanks. Josh can ride. This is probably his ? third ? season on foil - I know 2 full ones b/c early on he could not find peeps to ride with him. Dude lives on a houseboat and when he gets bored he goes down to the end of his dock, tosses the e-foil into the water, then looks for big cruisers chugging along. Good life. Nice guy to hang out with.Quote:
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Per the wave, the SL does its thing with a little weight. Every so often I get to ride with Robert Garcia from Wake9. He really is the 'buddha' of knowing how to tune a surf wave on these boats - Supra and Moomba. I always try to pick-up tips when he drives the boat. I probably bug the shit of him with all of my questions and theories.
You guys are killing the foil game! Nice job y'all!!!!!
That is amazing!!!! I’m hoping to try it out this weekend!!
I’ll report back if I got the chance [emoji1696]
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Early morning foiling!
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Early morning foiling.
Cool pics. Looks so peaceful.
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