If you have 5-7 people lose 50# of lead per person.Quote:
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If you have 5-7 people lose 50# of lead per person.Quote:
Originally Posted by endotiger
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Are surfing at a lake more than 2000’ above sea level? If so you need to change your prop to one with less pitch. Maybe something in the 13-14. Pitch range. If you are not at a high altitude and your boat is struggling with only 1000 extra pounds and a medium sized crew I think you might have an issue with the boat that your dealer should be made aware of.Quote:
Originally Posted by endotiger
16/15 acme prop is the prop for that boat. Check to see what you have!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tommy2slow
Betting you have the 16/17 and it’s a hard pull. I had to switch mine too.
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For 2021, Supra offered these 3 props for the 400/450’s
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The 16x13.9 is a prop specifically developed with Skier’s Choice and ACME for the 400/450 1.76 combo.
I am running the 16x13.9 currently and love it.
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Wow!! You definitely either have the 17 pitch prop(or possibly higher from what you say it's doing, but if it's factory then probably 17). Or, you have something wrong with the motor. I have a 400 in my 24.5' long Makai and have easily hit surf speeds no problem at all with 4k of ballast and 16 fully grown ( and a few extra grown) adults on there. I have an OJ 15.5 X 15 prop. It hardly struggles. The 450 should have no problem getting there. I am betting on the prop.
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Holy cow. At 10* -1 and 1800# total in people/lead I was on the brakes so hard that I ended up swapping my board from a twin to a single fin. I even forgot to have my wife drop the wake plate from 25 to 10. Surf plate was at 65. Had my wife speed up to 11.5 and it felt like the wake was 20 foot long. We had to drop the pitch for my wife to 9 as she couldn’t stay off the transom of the boat even standing on the brake, after we dropped the nose she was golden.
So much fun. Left autowake on and moved weight around to offset where it dumped. After moving to lead once it kept it at 99/100 all around.
It’s an awesome feeling when you get the wave dialed in. Congrats!!!
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Got any photos? Sounds awesomeQuote:
Originally Posted by sleek98
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Not right now, have a couple videos but they are not a good angle. I didn’t setup the GoPro, was messing with the lead and forgot.
I’ll setup the GoPro tomorrow and get some clean pictures of just the wave and upload them.
Thanks for info everyone! Extremely helpful. Yep, I checked today and it's the 17 pitch. Very frustrated here. I completely understand the concept of prop pitch and how it relates to speed, rpm, torque, etc. But I have zero knowledge of the specific numbers that work for these boats. Soooo, I've bought a boat for surfing with a prop that's not well-suited for that purpose, and I could have had the correct prop for only an additional $80 msrp! I would certainly expect better counsel from a dealer for a purchase as large as this.
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Originally Posted by endotiger
What elevation are you at?
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Maybe around 500 ft. Certainly less than 1000 ft.
Cool, then get the ACME 16x13.9 and keep the 16x17 as a spare.Quote:
Originally Posted by endotiger
You will lose some top end mph, but nobody likes 40+mph anyways.
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I’ve got a brand spanking new one of those with a weekend saver kit. $800 shipped.Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
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That is a solid deal [emoji1360]Quote:
Originally Posted by 2in2out
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Hey guys, 2 things, all good stuff, but some important information. First, I decided this time I was going to pay more attention to my surf tabs and maybe play around a little. Then I looked about to do goofy and the wave was messed up. This has happened before and I switched from goofy to reg, and then back, and most of the time this fixes it, but I noticed, the port tab (which makes the goofy wave) was at like 90, which I know isn't right. WTF? I texted 2 of my factory contacts and asked what defaults were, and I was watching, the port tab was changing in front of me, and I wasn't doing anything. So I manually set it to 70. 70 for port tab (makes goofy) and 60 for stbd tab are the default, and I played with them, and they work great, no need to touch them IMO. BUT, the goofy one was moving, I realized this must be why sometimes I get a finicky goofy wave, or inconsistent. So I paid attention, and sure enough, every time I saw weirdness, the plate moved. I paid close attention and kept it at the 70 which worked fantastic, and it was great. Not only was the wave great, it was consistent. So consistent, that my goofy roll setting has been 5º and I changed it to 4º. I could now consistently get a clean wave on goofy at 4º. I was ecstatic.
Matt told me there can be an issue with voltage that could cause this. He told me if I saw this happening, put battery to all, which should help resolve. Another good tip is to go to settings and retract the tabs at the begin of your session just to make sure they are fully retracted.
The factory is tracking this. I think this doesn't seem to effect regular so much, because if it does happen with reg, that side is just so much more forgiving.
Happy surfing guys. Luckily I am less than 10 mins from the ramp and going 1-2x per week and testing this stuff.
Oh, one more thing, at 4º on goofy, I noticed the wave had a better lip and J was getting bigger airs.
https://i.postimg.cc/PJZjNxxr/65-C52...9129-FE8-D.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by HFarr
Picked up our new 2021 Mojo about a week ago. Wave was mediocre at best, OK push but very washed out. Dialed in the Wake9 pitch and roll but was still really sloppy. Finally noticed that the default surf tab setting was pretty far off from the the recommended. Default was 90, but when we set it to 70 (Strbd) for a regular surfer the wave really cleaned up / huge improvement. Much happier with the new tab setting!!!! Recommend everyone double check that setting.
However, I did notice that there is a ~10 degree difference between the set point and the reading. I saw mention of this in another post, but never saw a response. Any advice here?
I have been having the same issue, I got it to match the settings once today but then later in the afternoon it went back to being 10 off on both sides. Sometimes it’s 10 high other times it’s 10 low. I would really like to get this resolved.Quote:
Originally Posted by surf603
Mine does similar on the settings being off. Some one else having same problem said when they used the screen to select surf side instead of the toggle switch, they matched. I was going to try this on mine this weekend, but got rained out.
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I tried that and it didn’t make a difference. I got it to match for a little bit but it reverted back to being off. I am wondering if it could be a voltage issue?Quote:
Originally Posted by HFarr
All of you guys that are having an issue with the setting being off....what position are you running your batteries in?
I run the switch down, which I believe is both batteries.
I run it on just one battery
2021 boats with the 7" screen have what is called displacement integration. The boat looks at the level of the draft sensor and decides where to position the surf plates in relation to the set point. If you turn AutoWake on, there are 3 levels of the amplitude display. If the actual displacement is in the lower third of the amplitude display, the Flow system will deploy at 10% less than the setpoint value (less weight in the boat means less deployment to gain lean). If the actual displacement is in the middle third of the amplitude display, the Flow system will deploy at the setpoint value. If the actual displacement is in the top third of the amplitude display, the Flow system will deploy at 10% more than the setpoint value (more weight in the boat means more deployment to gain lean). There is a way to adjust these settings should you choose to do so. See your dealer for those details.
Also on 2021's, if equipped with the dual battery option you should run on both batteries during normal use.
Is this the same for flow 2.0 vs 3.0?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon
Yes. But I guess I should add on the Flow 3.... on the displacement integration it affects the deployment of the yaw plate (Flow 3.0) as well. If amplitude is in the bottom 3rd, the yaw plate will not deploy. If amplitude is in the middle third, the yaw plate will go to 50%. If amplitude is in the top third, the yaw plate will go to 100%.Quote:
Originally Posted by TXSurf4
That helps a ton. Thanks for the information.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon
Agreed. Love seeing SC on these boards. Time well spent in my opinion :)Quote:
Originally Posted by sleek98
Great Info!! Thanks for the input!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon
Couldn't agree more!! Makes me wonder where ole Goose has been?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hayden
Goose is still around. We've just all been very tied up with model year change coming soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by TXSurf4
Glad to hear that!! Ya I know this and boat show season are always busy for yall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon
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Originally Posted by Jon
Great explanation, thanks! So what is the expected "default" setting? Mine came from the factory with a default of 90, but my wave is cleaner set to 70 - which is where I see several others running theirs.
A Flow 2 equipped boat should come from the factory at 60/70 port/starboard. A Flow 3 boat performs really good at 45/55.Quote:
Originally Posted by surf603
My amp gauge always shows at the bottom once my ballast are full doest matter if i have 15 people or 2. Didn’t really worry about it because i dont use auto wake. But is this make my flow 3 not kick in at all?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon
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Is that port/starboard tab or surf side I always thought goofy side took more plate to clean up the wake? I think mine came at 60/70 with flow 3 but I will drop it to 45/55 to see what it looks like.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon
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Originally Posted by sleek98
Sorry, I'm so used to typing it like this I should have explained more. When I say 60/70 I am meaning 60% deployment of the starboard flow tab when surfing on the port side and then 70% port flow tab deployment when surfing on the starboard side. Same things for 45/55.
You should get your dealer to check out the amplitude gauge. Most likely something is going on with your draft sensor. This is the number one thing I watch when I'm using a boat, regardless of whether I'm using AutoWake or not. It's the key for creating consistent wakes each time you go out. This could definitely affect your Flow 3 system if you have a 2021 unless your dealer has programmed around it.Quote:
Originally Posted by mojoylw
Thanks for the help and extra explanation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon