That's the 2nd or 3rd time I've seen 14% increase from 21-22 so seems to be the truth at this point unfortunately.
Just for fun a 100K boat with a 14% increase year over year will be a 370k boat in 10 years :D
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That's the 2nd or 3rd time I've seen 14% increase from 21-22 so seems to be the truth at this point unfortunately.
Just for fun a 100K boat with a 14% increase year over year will be a 370k boat in 10 years :D
it's called a paragon and can be had currently :) :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SONIC
My point is a Moomba makai will be 370k if this increase sticks around.Quote:
Originally Posted by sandm
The year over year increase has been crazy for the past 10 years, but if it's going to be about 14% things are going to get crazy quickly.
Most of this is probably material cost increases because this year is totally forked with increases but still.
I see someone beat me to the Paragon comment!Quote:
Originally Posted by SONIC
Yeah it’s nuts! For a total discretionary and luxury item, there has to a point where the middle class and upper middle won’t bite on these prices. As a finance professional, long term financing has added to this price increase and demand by making boats ‘affordable’ on monthly payment schedules.
This year the materials are higher and I’m not surprised to see 14%. Many options being quoted to me are in line with 21 pricing with little to no change so it does seem to be mostly the base price.
In terms of things being standard/included vs optional....the only one I was able to confirm on the Kaiyen was the GPS zero cruise is included in base price. Mapping is an upgrade.
What do most people negotiate off list price for Moomba? 5-7%? Does that include dealer delivery fees?
Just got a response on the heaters. Apparently not a specable option on the 2022s at the moment due to inventories. SC indicates they will be available as an after sale item and offered a discount, but to be installed later. Given you have to cut holes in the boat, it sounds a bit more of a complication unless its just an electric heat element that plugs/bolts on in an easy area. Is that how they work or do they pull heat form the engine area?
They are just like a car heater. You run engine coolant through them for heat and a fan blows though a radiator to get the heat into the tubes.Quote:
Originally Posted by WildH
It's an easy install for anyone remotely mechanical but not as simple as plugging something in.
the holes that have to be cut are on the inside for the heat tubes that are pulled out. nothing structural but some will not feel comfortable cutting into the 'glas on the inside of the boat. it's not hard as long as you are careful but sure most will opt to have dealer install. guessing 3 or 4 bills to install as it's a couple hours of time.
wiring should all be there and if I were skiers, run the antifreeze lines with a u-shaped bypass so the heavy work is done already. then it's simply drop the box in, hook up the water lines and power and cut a few holes for the heat tubes.
should be an option similar to prewire the tower.
That would be the smart way to do it, maybe install the circ pump and the heater line and wiring for a small fee and then the rest would be simpler.Quote:
Originally Posted by sandm
My dealer quoted me 900 for a heater install, a bit high and I ended up doing it myself instead.
Got it. I’d be comfortable cutting holes. Just a simple hole saw on a drill would work (albeit slow). No issues with wiring as long as everything is there and you’re not having to fish through various openings. Only thing that might a pain is the coolant lines to that location if they aren’t prerun.Quote:
Originally Posted by SONIC
I was told about 2k installed from my dealer, which I guess that isn’t an option this winter due to lack of heaters..Quote:
Originally Posted by sandm
Any aftermarket heaters out there?
It's a bit BS that dealers are charging install on what should be available as a factory option.
2021 Moomba Mondo
Heater raft and Maradyne. I prefer Maradyne that's what I used and machined an aluminum plenum for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh828
heatercraft.com. I used them for a new core in my 98 Moomba 15 years ago.
Factory heater has 2 heater tubes behind driver seat. Dealer said his aftermarket heater had 4 heater tubes they could put anywhere i wanted. Just something to think about.
Especially when the factory add on is $910.Quote:
Originally Posted by SSurfer321
I would recommend getting the factory set up. I skipped out on the option and now dealerQuote:
Originally Posted by WildH
Is saying that to put it in it’s going to be $2100
It blew my mind!!
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Easier to install at factory when the boat is being built. That quote is about right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Emilware
That is exactly what they said. I tried getting SC to put it in before the build started but they said that they are out of the heaters. They are on back order until September.Quote:
Originally Posted by KnoxMojo
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Oh wow. Hopefully they will do something for the people that wanted them initially. Weird times we are in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Emilware
My RGB controller failed, it’s on backorder with no date on availability......new boat with no rgb lights
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They told me that they are shipping boats w/o them and having dealers install them later.Quote:
Originally Posted by KnoxMojo
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They are, but they aren't putting the cost in the boat. So if you're financing, it isn't included. It's all out of pocket.Quote:
Originally Posted by Emilware
2021 Moomba Mondo
On my June delivery
Completely out of heaters now, not just the tubes…
Mine was a June delivery. Same sticker as Roy. Heater price was in my sale and being installed by dealer for free when it comes in.
Heater thing is a pain. Can’t add on spec sheet and was just going to place an order.
Might have to start a thread for how to install after the fact. Dealer is stating that they would also charge labor to install.....
Yep, My SA 2022 was just unwrapped today no heater, price was in my sale and being installed by dealer for free when it comes in. Southtown Watersports (Charlotte) kept me informed of the situation of heater shortage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigs28
Congrats on new SA, pics when you take them!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Taylor
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My 2022 Sa has a New Grill, New center rear Seat slides forward and flips backrest as new type Table top. Rear board locker has a locking device in latch too keep boards locked. MSRP same build, 2021 $166,270, Now 2022 $180,740. MSRP increase of $14,470. My Dealer Southtown Watersports did not try and jack me at all!! Very professional and they valued our agreement from MSO 2/9/2021 pricing and I paid not a dime over. Also a big thanks to SUPRA BOATS for getting the job done during difficult times.Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
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Thanks LarryQuote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
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Love the green and black, Is that the new black/green metallic on the stern?
More pics of interior and that new rear seat design.
The side grate looks the same as 20/21’s
You will love those thrusters.
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No chance the folks at Skiers Choice are going to allow those photos of the 2022 updates on this forum before they post them on their website...
Great point, 5 more daysQuote:
Originally Posted by Prospersigman
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I'm very curious about the new flip seat, does the seat flip up to become a useable tabletop or is it still seat level and useless lol?Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Taylor
We use the current flip table more than the rear racing seat option. I think the new table feature adjusts up higher.Quote:
Originally Posted by SONIC
Interested to see new “grate”.
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I love the idea of the flip table but it doesn't really work as once you flip it there's no seats to sit on to eat that are "at" the table. We almost never use it (or the rear facing seat for that matter, don't like climbing all over the place to move around the boat.)Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
Very true, but with a small crew, it’s more like a cocktail table for some mid day Sammie’s or snacks. It’s shaded under Bimini.Quote:
Originally Posted by SONIC
In the past 4 years, we may have used the rear facing seat 3-4x
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I used our rear facing seat last weekend just so I could say we did!!
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Get ready for someone to hit their head when the rear facing seat is flipped back...it is inevitable that someone smacks the shit out of their head on one of my JL tower speakers every time. You just forget that when you step up and over that you don't have clearance and bam right in the noggin.
LOL, My Moomba Forum Inbox is empty, No threats or flyovers. They know I have Photos. But out of respect I will not steal Skiers Choice thunder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prospersigman
MSG ARMY 23 years I know how to keep Intel. You will like the new flip/table seat!.... Larry Ill send photos in 6 days :cool: