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Nautique charges $10k... it’s on par.
Insane.
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Not going to lie. After the last 4 days of teaching new people how to surf and ski....I might change my opinion on the thrusters. While I Agree the price is crazy high....so are the boat prices in general. If you can afford $170k for a boat, I guess you can afford the $8k for the thrusters. With current, wind, and people not being ready behind the boat when needed, I could see where moving the back of the boat a few feet one way or the other could be great. I had never really thought about any use other than docking, but this thread had me thinking all weekend how nice those things would be as I made a second circle around my skier [emoji6].
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My exact feelings. Feel like a broken record to the newbs I am teaching "apologies....the wind is forcing the nose that way...hold on for a sec..." And then they struggle to reposition or waves I was trying to get in front of catch up etc. Not as much of an issue when its just my family, but kids (and me) always have friends looking to go out.
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Originally Posted by larry_arizona
Now that is hilarious because it's so true! I parked a truck and trailer for a stranger this weekend because it was a bit windy so the dude was on the boat. His wife pulled the trailer up into the lot and parked the truck in the middle of the road, got out and asked the attendant if there were any pull through spots. He said no, you'll have to back it in and she just about melted like the Wicked Witch of the East. We were standing right there so I told her I would park it for her. I think 90% are in the same situation.
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Originally Posted by mgswake
OK, for those of you that have been boating enthusiasts for years with multiple boats..... It took me 4 years of brow beating my wife for us to get into a boat. We got a surf boat because we want to surf and the kids want to swim. My boys might like wakeboarding as some point as they get older so V-drive boat right out of the gate. Is the learning curve steep, yes but over all we are very courteous boaters, we don't take up dock space when launching or trailering because we go early and take out early. Would it be better if we were a bit more time efficient yes so maybe the thruster option will be on our next boat so my wife or my teen(s) can handle the boat with more confidence on and off the trailer at the dock. No one taught me how to do any of this and because we are driving a very expensive boat I have taken time to learn to handle the boat. So is $8k MSRP too much? Maybe not if it protects our investment, keeps my fellow boating community happier and gives me more options on who is driving the boat when putting in or taking out.
I have the thruster on my g23 and at first I used it all the time in auto mode... now I just use it manually when needed docking...especially if wind is high and waves are coming in. The g is a bit of a pig at low speeds, so to me, it’s worth it. And what’s another 8-10k when you are north of 180-200k?
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Great example on a 23 foot tall freeboard application.Quote:
Originally Posted by gtsum2
I would say this is similar to the SA responsiveness at the dock.
It’s a high cost but when you visit as many lakes as I do, you never know what docking conditions you may encounter.
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I was actually trying to defend people at the docks. Everyone is out there wanting to enjoy the water. I think you make a great point about trying to learn how to handle the boat and be courteous to others. As long as people share the ramps and the water in a safe way, everyone should be happy.Quote:
Originally Posted by NewbFam5
The reason I was mentioning surfing, is it seems that surfing has really pushed the sale of wakeboats the past 3-5 years. The technology, prices, and size of waves have all increased greatly in that short span. Just my personal observations, wasn't trying to target or offend anyone.
There is no doubt surfing is THE watersport marketing these boats.
Everyone can surf, young, old,big or small.
Not everyone can wakeboard. I watch my 17yo landing in the flat and no way would my old ass tolerate those impacts. It’s a youth sport to an extent.
Surf is universal, in my opinion more than tubing.
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I was checking out how MC does thrust vectoring, called DockStar.
I would choose separate thrusters over two added rudders in front of the prop.
However DockStar is $3200
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DockStar is very cool, but more limited than a thruster.
It allows you to turn in reverse but doesn't give you any sideways push like a thruster does, it just makes it handle more like an IO or an outboard.
It's also mechanical so will likely never fail and cause extremely expensive out of warranty repairs lol
All the premium brands have this now.
Supra
Malibu
MC
Nautique
Tige
Pavati
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It definitely has. We are fighting a huge battle with the paddle boarders and the kayakers in Portland. They want the river to themselves and want to ban artificial wake producing boats all together. Funny thing is that I see more people with paddle boards that back their car down the ramp and tie up the boat launch for 20 minutes as they unpack. Family of four on three boards, kids were not wearing life jackets crossing a busy section of river. Ultimately there are very uneducated water enthusiasts in every market and most people don't take the time to acknowledge that we all share the docks, the rivers and the lakes. Saw a dude in an older Mobius gun it right of the end of the dock and just about wiped out a wave runner. So ultimately it is more about the individual person regardless of experience however there is no replacement for experience and I respect that as well so not offended just offering up my experience so far as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by mgswake
The moment you said Portland I knew you were screwed.
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I have noticed kayaks galore this year. They sneak up on you.
I was aligning my rider getting ready to make a run, I looked straight ahead and was clear, what I could not see was the kayak 10 feet from my bow port side crossing in front of me.
I saw him the second time I looked.
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they're everywhere. and nothing quick about a family of paddlers at the boat launch......
the section of the colorado river that goes from willow beach to hoover dam is closed to boating sundays/mondays for kayakers and from labor day to memorial day it's closed to any boat over 65hp. for paddlers.
a preferable option to closing rivers for good. boaters get friday/saturday as a weekend. kayakers/sup's get sunday/monday and kayakers know on fri/sat they are going to deal with boat wakes.
i saw the new 2021 Supra SA with the thrusters at my dealer yesterday. Wow, what an amazing boat. I asked if they would take my Max for a straight up trade lol
Drew,
Any thruster updates you can share with the forum. Is a demo video forthcoming to show it in action along with the dock hold feature?
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Don't you need a front thruster as well to have a dock hold feature?Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
Exactly why I am looking for a video or description of the feature.Quote:
Originally Posted by rdlangston13
My guess is you rope the bow and the thruster runs the stern against the dock for a period of time long enough for you to tie off the back.
Even if you had a bow thruster, nothing would control fore aft movement.
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Nothing has been on social media either.Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
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I would imagine if you had a bow and stern thruster both pushing against the dock that the friction generated by the pressure of the boat against the dock would somewhat limit fore and aft movement.Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
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Originally Posted by larry_arizona
Marketing is working on a video for the thrusters
Well. I may as well be the first to ask. Can I retrofit this to my 2020 SE? I imagine physically attaching it is an issue but the software likely required to make all of this work is the larger issue.
When you look at the picks it appears the platform brackets fit within the thruster housing, so I am wondering if the platform brackets had to be redesigned. If that is the case, retrofitting may not be plausible. If you are going to pay anyways, and retrofitting is problematic, you should look into the easythruster option. I sent them an e-mail to get a quote but they wanted me to contact my dealer so they can put together a quote for parts and installation. I was not ready to commit so I did not want to bother my dealer with it. Eazythruster sales rep answered me in an e-mail that they "have a relationship with SC and the thruster install will not void hull warranty", presumably as long as it is installed by an authorized dealer. They looked up my region and told me Nisswa marine, where I bought my boat, was authorized installer. In a way I get that, they want to make sure it is installed correctly and preserves hull warranty. I was hoping I could just get a quote on parts but they wouldn't. I'd say consider it. It looks like a pretty cool system, It is more like the nautigue system, single bidirectional center mounted thruster under the platform.Quote:
Originally Posted by tre
not to get off topic but anyway...
lots of people toss around the "lifetime hull warranty". I wonder how many boats are actually swapped out due to a bad hull. it happens from time to time but I wonder what the "true" number is across the industry. something tells me its really low for a hull to just fail without some duma$$ driving it across or onto something that is then owner error..
we didn't even think twice about drilling 4 vent/drain holes in our first tige when going from single fill/drain to dual. boat had 15hrs when we did it.
I know of one. 1993 ski Nautique, took 4 years of legal action and the settlement was all legal fees and a 1998 Ski NautiqueQuote:
Originally Posted by sandm
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My understanding is that SC will be releasing more detailed info on the new thruster system any day now, but I can confirm it is being supplied by a new company in the industry, hence the unique "dual thruster" design. There will be an aftermarket version available to retrofit other boats in the coming months.Quote:
Originally Posted by tre
Stay tuned...
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If you are looking for a thruster that is high quality and has been installed on numerous boats, including Supra and Moomba, please check out ezDrive Thruster:
https://www.ezdrivethruster.com/
https://www.ezdrivethruster.com/inst...tos/supra-lsv/
https://www.ezdrivethruster.com/inst...ba-makai-2020/
There are also multiple install photos as well as testimonials from various clients:
https://www.ezdrivethruster.com/easydrive-testimonials/
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How much we talking installed on a Supra SA?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheYachtGroup
Please don’t tell me I have to go through the quoting process, because that is a huge turn off to your product and marketing scheme.
Let me make it simple for you. Is it over or under $6000 installed?
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Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
If I wanted one I want to install it. I want t know what it costs, not what it costs to have someone come to my house to install the thing.
I am not holding my breathe for yacht group. A few here tried to get quotes and it’s a big run around of things the customer needs to do etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by SONIC
Never can just get a honest answer on at least a ball park price.
Just a very odd marketing model.
If they can’t say greater or less than $6000, that tells me all I need to know.
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Looking at the available info, I think the optioned thrusters on the 2021 would be better. It looked like the optioned thrusters mounted to the swim platform brackets, meaning less points of penetration on the hull.
I'm still curious on how the 2021 thruster control is. I'd like to see in as a rotating knob on the throttle, or steering wheel control. The last thing I want to do when coming into a dock is take my hand from the throttle or the wheel.
Supra has a twist knob on top of throttle.
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If there was a means to retrofit, I would with the Supra thrusters versus any other brand based on the control knob alone. That set-up is ergonomics 101 and reduction in human error.
Just pull the pin and option it LA. That's how you roll anyways, isn't it?
I feel like this is one of those things that will come out on the 2021s and then SC will realize they need to make updates/changes to certain design features on it before the 2022s come out.
I think you already know the answer to this question.Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
It’s already in my build. NO REGERTS......lol
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