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I showed my dealer my Supreme S238 quote ($101.8k OTD after 7% tax), and he said he feels pretty confident that I would be the close to the same for a pretty typically equipped Mojo. That would jive with your mid 90's estimate.Quote:
Originally Posted by RC_Hinojosa
that supreme 238 as a leftover will be 80k. lots of margin in those boats and 101 is a little high. I've seen zs232's in the low100's.
Not sure there will be any leftovers. That's my problem. I literally got out my checkbook and said I can't pay six figures. Offered him 99.9k plus a $500 dollar pro shop credit. To be fair, it has four Rev 10's and two Sub's in what is called the "hero audio package", but I was blown away when they turned me down. They walked me over $1800 bucks. Weird considering a lot of Supreme buyers graduate to Centurions.Quote:
Originally Posted by sandm
That $101.8 was $6.5 in sales tax, $3K in freight, $500 doc, $500 registration and 1.5k in dealer prep. I think, itemized, the boat plus options was just under 90K. It's getting ridiculous. My Max quote is 95K, which makes me think that a Mojo at 101 is dubious.
fwiw the supreme dealer in phx told us a well equipped zs212 would come in at 105k msrp and their pricing was around 90 plus dealer fees/tax. said to expect 12-14% off. know every market is different and ya, your right in that there are very few leftovers right now.
I think mojo will be low100s otd for decent options. have seen a few makais at 104ish so figure 110 otd.
If the Mojo comes out at >100k OTD, its going to be disappointing. The allure of the Mojo has always been its value proposition for me. Perfect size, awesome design and paint scheme, great wave, lots of great features, room for storage, fit and finish second to none in that segment, and on and on, for a great price. It was hands down the best value in the 22-23ft segment. If it becomes very expensive, then its still an awesome boat, but its just another awesome, very expensive boat, there's lots of those. But then, it seems all manufacturers are heading that same direction. These prices are pushing many would be buyers out of the market for new boats. I know I now have a Supra but I worked my way up into that price bracket, no way I would of bought a Supra as my first wake boat. I see many of the higher priced Supra owners started with mid priced boats. To dull the psychological impact of paying for these boats. The Mojo was perfect and priced at a level I could stomach at that time,<70k new. We loved that boat. Now, that doesn't even get you in the door. I guess that'll be good for used boat sellers.
Guppy, it seems your dealers are pretty rigid with their prices, I think that depends on local markets. You may want to consider shopping other markets and pay for shipping/freight, it may still save you thousands. I know my dealer is not that rigid. If you're interested, shoot a DM and I'll put you in contact with someone.
Couple ways to look at it.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Guppydriver
1) you walked from a boat you liked over $1800
2) dealer lost a sale over $1800
The question: Is any deal worth losing over 1.8%??
This clearly is a sellers market, I am confident the dealer eventually got their asking price.
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[emoji2962] Now that is insane!Quote:
Originally Posted by Guppydriver
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My guess, go on the builder and build a Kaiyen. I bet that will get you pretty close. You would need to add a little to the MSRP of the Kaiyen because you know the Mojo will be a little more than that.
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I think surfing is one of the main drivers of this price increase. Full disclosure I don't find much joy in watching or participating in surfing, but I know it is a great way for a lot of people to enjoy the water. I think surfing has had the same impact on boat prices as government loans have had on college prices. Also, with surfing being easier on the body and lower impact than many other water activities it has brought an older population into the wakeboat scene. These people generally have more money and/or better credit and can afford the newer boats. I think the boat technology has definitely made huge leaps in the past 10 years, but I think prices are inflated by the deeper pockets and better credit allowing for bigger/longer loans. Its good for the wakeboat industry and resale value, but if you want new, you gotta pay to play. Otherwise, better start shopping used. Again, not bashing anyone just my observations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Isaguel
If the mojo follows the pricing of the current Makai, it’s not going to be hard to get it to $100k MSRP. Take into tax prep etc... it would most likely be just over $100k OTD. My dealer said he expects them to sell around $105K OTD at current pricing levels, meaning virtually no discounting.
I wonder how high Moomba prices can reach before people just start getting into a 1-5 year old Supra. Or another brand. I love the ballast and transom walk through on the makai and kaiyen. But, at 100k, I could get into a very nice used Supra or Nautique. I have seen G21, G23 2015/2016 going for around 100k. Supra SL/SA going for around that price as well, some even in the 2017/18 range.Quote:
Originally Posted by bmjenkins82
There will always be people like me... I don’t like buying used motor/power sports things.Quote:
Originally Posted by mgswake
This is exactly how I got pulled into buying a wakeboat. The math model works.Quote:
Originally Posted by mgswake
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Hmm, that would be a close guess. I built a Kaiyen with the Pro tower, heater, and 400 motor. Other just standard stuff, it came at a little >97k. I think you can safely add 5k for the mojo, that puts it at 102k, not counting freight, dealer prep. We'll see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Woody929
For 102k+ freight and prep adding another $2500+, I would be shopping a used 2018 Supra SA or SL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Isaguel
Although not too many 2018’s for sale.
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Nor are they typically around a 100k....
But they will be. It will equalize. Lots of boats for sale last few weeks.
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Correct, this time last year 2018 SA’s were $95-97k, but in this market they were $100-103k.Quote:
Originally Posted by dakota4ce
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Warranty is also a heavy consideration. These things have some SPENDY parts. Buying. A nearly out of warranty Supra would give me pause—at least at the 6 figure mark.
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This is why we went with a gently used 2020 SA versus ordering a 21 Makai. On paper, the difference monthly was less than what we spend at the coffee shop monthly. We feel we got more comforts and more boat.Quote:
Originally Posted by mgswake
We eliminated any boat that was on second owner because of the transfer issues. It really reduced the field, but even still, we had three candidates within $9k price difference with less than 80 hrs each.Quote:
Originally Posted by dakota4ce
Try buying a boat in Canada, well over 100k for a mojo
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Originally Posted by duch17
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Could have had a 2020 for 116k all in this year but I bought a 2019, saved 15k
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Great plan if you’re gonna keep it for a while. I like the ability to transfer when I sell it, too. Makes people feel better. But I also sell them within a year of buying them LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2in2out
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Only thing better is getting the 7 year Indmar warranty.
But seriously, how many have had Indmar power train warranty claims.
How many have serious Skiers choice warranty claims?
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Don't know if this is true, but our salesman told me that Moomba has the fewest warranty claims in the industry, followed by Supra, followed by Nautique. This is coming from a SC dealer so take that for what it's worth.
My 18 was rock solid.
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Only stuff I have had is dinky
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I had 2 letter fall off on the dash’s screen surround. S RA
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Originally Posted by larry_arizona
It was a special order so who knows if they will fill that slot. I didn't think S238's were that in demand TBH.....
As far as the deal perspective, I completely understand your point. The problem is you have to draw the line somewhere, otherwise where does it end? When my wife agreed to this purchase, she made me promise her I wouldn't breach six figures. I agreed. Although $1800 might not be worth losing the boat over, it's far too great a price to pay to deal with her wrath. The deal I offered was more than fair, but like you said...sellers market.
Maybe it works out for the best in the end. If I can find my way into a brand new designed Mojo for less than 6 figures, then I wont spend a second thinking about the Supreme.
I will be surprised if you get a nicely equipped Mojo sub 100. But here’s to hoping you do!Quote:
Originally Posted by Guppydriver
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Yeah fairly well built it was definitely over $100k. The first build slot was taken already... second was pending deposit (delivery date January). Dealer was told to build a Mondo as it was basically same build sheet - then they would transfer data over to Mojo.
I still think there are a lot of buyers out there who put down 20% and will need out over the winter...
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https://www.onlyinboards.com/2021-Mo...ho-116821.aspxQuote:
Originally Posted by RC_Hinojosa
95k and no tower speakers or boardracks shown...
That's my local dealer. It will have racks and speakers, they're often slow in getting them installed. Boats sit in their showroom for weeks without that stuff installed, it's in the storage compartments. That one will likely have the Tritons at that price point.Quote:
Originally Posted by sandm
That's asking and dealers usually show MSRP on onlyinboards. I would say there are still local markets where 7% off MSRP could be had, maybe even more depending on latitude. Dealers in Northern states located in weaker markets coming into winter may face the possibility of sitting on stock for months and may be more motivated, even in this hot market. It can take some work of looking and calling and factoring in cost for freight if you have to ship a boat this size.Quote:
Originally Posted by sandm
ya. whole point was someone pointing out a 95k max and here they are.
Dealer within driving distance has a 93k msrp max asking 85k.
Nice discountQuote:
Originally Posted by sleek98
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Nice discount???? Wasn’t the Max in the 60’s two years ago?Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
Just meant 8% off MSRP is good.Quote:
Originally Posted by mgswake
Max base MSRP is $71.6k
3 years ago SA’s were mid 130’s, now mid 170’s MSRP.
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