Nah it wasn't a walk through. They still come with gatorstep pad.Quote:
Originally Posted by mgswake
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Nah it wasn't a walk through. They still come with gatorstep pad.Quote:
Originally Posted by mgswake
Well then what was it????? Why you being so secretive lolQuote:
Originally Posted by haknslash
Most of the time, people get information from dealers and are asked not to share until it is public.Quote:
Originally Posted by DNIXD99
Nautique released their 2021 lineup this week. Hopefully, SC will give us some information on their 2021’s soon!!
The new Gs have the Paragon hull and look pretty sweet minus the $180k MSRPQuote:
Originally Posted by mgswake
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The G23 tower is getting dated. Just not a tower you would expect on a $180k+ boat.Quote:
Originally Posted by RC_Hinojosa
But the new G23 otherwise is awesome
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I wonder if more companies will start doing this. I'm not to familiar with supra boats, but what if SC used the SA, SL, or other Supra hulls and used the Moomba top deck and components. That would make for some pretty interesting boats. Moomba features and value with Supra hulls.Quote:
Originally Posted by RC_Hinojosa
Agreed, the boat is so edgy and faceted, the tower looks dated.Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
The tower doesn't even come power actuated standard on a $180k boat, it's an option!
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The FXONE tower is a huge Supra advantage.
Best looking tower in the market.
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i have a 2021 Mondo being built.
i ordered it all on word of mouth from my dealer!
as i understand it, it's a 20' version of the Kaiyen.
Congrats on the new boat, that's sick!! When will you take delivery? Cant wait to see some pics.Quote:
Originally Posted by chinook
So mondo is all new for 21?
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i just heard 3700lb stock ballast with a new hull design, similar to Kaiyen.Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
they happened to be bringing one in late August in a color i like, so i grabbed it.
hopefully the expected timing holds
I am a Skiers Choice fanboy, specifically Supra, but the FX One tower is a rattling mess in my opinion. It looks great but it is not nearly as solid as the Nautiques tower and bimini. Mine has come loose twice from the sides of the gunnel on the starboard side and it is the hardest f'ing bimini top out of all the boat manufacturers to deploy and un-deploy. It rattles and sways it's arse off if you have any rough water and are doing 20mph or more with boards in the clamps. Oh and lets not forget that my bimini has torn two times on the rear corners where you have two sliding bars for the rear portion of the bimini that you have to extend out to lock them in.Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
Mine has been rock solid, the Bimini isn’t hard to deploy, but is tricky to stow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prospersigman
The 2020+ Bimini has a lock so that you don’t have to put the cover on all the time.
The cover can be a 2 person job.
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I'm going to have to agree with Larry on the tower. Mine is/has been rock solid.
I don't have any trouble deploying and stowing the bimini, but maybe I'm a freak in that regard. My last boat was a Tige with the Alpha-Z tower, now that bimini was hard to deploy and stow. It was bad enough, the Tige forum had a member make an instructional video they passed around, if you weren't careful with your sequence you could literally drop the forward support arms in the lake.
On the FXOne bimini, I don't ever use the bimini boot it is a pain in the ass. We always have our bimini deployed, so when folding the tower and putting the cover on, I just use a pair of bungees to keep the bimini from trashing the windshield.
Rode on the 2019 PWT boat, all that boat did was pull pro wake boarders all day everyday at 23 mph. It was solid.
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Will be interesting to see Mondo.
Last winter a dealer told me it was essentially a mini-Kaiyen. So imagine most of the same build details, similar width, just chopped. Pricing it’d imagine the Kaiyen minus 5-7k.Quote:
Originally Posted by haknslash
Mini-Kaiyen? I like the Kaiyen, but at 21.5 ft it already occupies a spot in the condensed size spot for Moomba. Why make it smaller when you already have the 20.5 ft Helix. ? It seems like diluting the brand too much when you have too many boats competing against each other within a particular size bracket. It reminds me of GM making all kinds of cars with same features and size and same parts and just different branding. Look how that turned out. A whole bunch of crappy cars.
SC has the competent Helix already at 20'5". Why not just offer upgraded tower and upholstry options to get it up to the Kaiyen level? Within SC they already have Moomba and Supra which do compete, Moomba being their "affordable entry" line. You shouldn't have so many boats of similar size within the same line. I think Moomba has too many boats already and they could be condensed to ensure they always put out a high quality product.
I could see the return of the mondo and retiring the helix.
6 boat models can work for Moomba.
But unless there is a 21 foot lake restriction market, I see no point in a 20.5 and a 21.5 variant of the same boat.
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tige did this for 1.5 years. had the z1/z3 and r21/r23. same hulls just difference in trims. killed off z series and you could get r series optioned up to z interiors etc..Quote:
Originally Posted by Isaguel
it didn't last. most orders rolled off the line as a base r, not the upgraded z. now only running this for 1.5 years may have been by design or a marketing plan gone wrong but either way it didn't last.
I'm with ya in that I don't get bringing back the mondo AND keeping the helix. I don't get a sense the sub21ft boat market is where the monies are at. as we have shopped for a new whip I have ran across a shortage of 22-23ft boats but if you look around there are still 2019 new supra sr's and tige rzx20's and in this market that tells me sub21's are still not the desirable size(found 2 examples- 1 from each with discounts from 40-50k).
some dealers leave up their boats they ordered this year on the website and simply put a sold tag on them. shows what they are selling over the course of the season and it's not helix boats. majority seem to be max, craz and mojo's.
22-24ft seems to be the sweet spot for boats and as a builder I would think focusing in this spot for most models and include 1 sub21 and 1 larger than 24 would be a good portfolio of products.
6 would be the max I would think skiers would want from each line and think 5 is the ideal.
I like the Kaiyen, but I would go with a 1-1.5 foot longer version at 22.5-23'. I like the walk through transom and the wide beam. The one thing I didn't like was the bow felt short when I sat in one. Otherwise, it was a beautiful boat with lots of awesome features. I think a 20' version could feel even more shortened. Just my two cents.
mgs, I agree 100% on the bow being a little on the smallish side. one I sat in was designed for kids or adults under 5'6".
when i look at who has ever used our bow in OUR 13 years of boating, it's usually kids or gf/wives. what they did makes sense in the kaiyen. now translate that to a boat that is shorter would be interesting.
moomba got it right for most occupants on the kaiyen imo. for a 21.5ft boat it felt right. have to see a mondo before passing judgement on that one.
These ezDRIVE Sternthrusters seem to be great options for the Moomba and Supra lines! They've been installed on a variety of models and seem to have great customer feedback. See the links below for more details.
SUPRA:
https://www.ezdrivethruster.com/inst...2-2008-mockup/
https://www.ezdrivethruster.com/inst...tos/supra-lsv/
MOOMBA:
https://www.ezdrivethruster.com/inst...ba-makai-2020/
Are you the owner of this company?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheYachtGroup
I think Yacht Group owns EZdrive
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This is the boat that I want!Quote:
Originally Posted by schwan
Completely agree with the earlier comments about the Kaiyen. It looks like the perfect boat for our family except for the size of the bow area. My wife and kids like spending their time up front in our 2013 LSV and the Kaiyen felt like it had considerably less room (wide, but too short).Quote:
Originally Posted by korey
I'm hoping they come up with a 23' option between the Makai and Kaiyen that adds space in the bow. That would be our next boat!
That would be a sweet boat!!! I want bigger than the Kaiyen, but makai at 24.5 is just a bit big for my needs. I am 75,20,5 wake, ski, surf.Quote:
Originally Posted by GregInAtlanta
I heard the helix will not returnQuote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
Dealer told me the same thing. It wasn’t a huge seller the last few years. The new Mondo will be 20 feet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Precious Roy
It would be nice if they came out with a 20 footer that would surf and slalom well. My friends and family seem to surf and ski a lot but not wakeboard as much as we used to. I’m starting to rack up some hrs on my 2011 OBV and have no idea what I’d replace it with. If they’re going to release a new 20 footer they might as well make it crossover worthy as the only reason I wouldn’t just go to a big surf only oriented Boat is that we all still enjoy ripping a slalom ski on a glassy morning or eve. Seems like malibu and nautique still recognize that niche but SC has ignored it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ejj
Installing voids hull warranty. FYI.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheYachtGroup
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That is exactly what we are looking for too. We ski in the morning and evening. We’d like to surf after lunch when the chop and wind are up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starrski
Skiing and surfing are on the opposite ends of boat-abilities though—so it’s tough to get something that will do both moderately well. With 3700lbs ballast the new Mondo should have decent surfing, but likely a smaller pocket that comes with a shorter boat. I’m not hoping to compete with a ski boat for wake—but hopefully something that won’t kill people at 28mph.
I think someone was on here complaining about the FX One tower rattling....
Here's a quick writeup on how to address the issue without a dealer trip:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1786...8843047854508/
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For those of us who don’t Facebook, can someone please copy paste the fxone procedure here?
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My bad Kent...Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
"2018 and up Supra owners, if you think your FX1 tower is a bit rattling or moving, here's how to fix it without taking it in... my dealer called to walk me through how to do it on my lift....very easy, 10 minute - 1 beer job. 3/16 hex bit, 3/4 wrench, 4 screws a side, then 3 nuts to tighten per side. Don't let the panel fall."
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Thanks RC!!
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Literally just checked both sides on mine and tight as can be.
15 min or less to check.
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KnoxMojo on the good Fbook post on the tower procedure!
kudos for skiers choice for a part on a boat that is (1) easy to get to and (2) easy to tighten.....