I am just going to use the clinometer app and not use autowake at all. Just cruise control
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I am just going to use the clinometer app and not use autowake at all. Just cruise control
Ragboy seems to use his lead to leverage his boat and he uses a lot of lead.
If he loads lead as far back as possible and also uses lead as far forward as possible with full water ballast, then the only option he has left to bring pitch down is add wake plate.
Plate really won’t effect roll, so 50% plate might be great when you are fully slammed and leveraged.
Factory plate setting for both surf modes on my boat is 25%. I only add more plate mid session if my pitch is high or I want to lengthen the wave.
But after my rider falls or resets, I will add 50# lead to the bow for next session and move plate back to 25%.
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Sorry for cross-posting, but I initially had this in the Autowake thread but didn't really get any answers (that made sense) so I thought I'd put it here which is probably where it belongs:
Hey all, I've been playing around today with Autowake on my Mondo and am a little confused on how it's supposed to work. I did some testing today with only me in the boat (and I'm a small guy, 145 pounds), and the lake was calm. With the Amp preset set to "100", I Turn on Autowake and wait. The front ballast filled to 100, and the left ballast filled to around 95. The right ballast, however, stayed at zero. I'm assuming it was attempting to balance out me sitting in the driver's seat, but I was pretty surprised that it didn't fill the right ballast at all.
Is that normal? The whole boat was noticeably leaning to the left, so I have hard time believing this is how it's supposed to work. (do I need to re-calibrate or something??)
Did it stay that way when you were at speed? What was pitch and roll?Quote:
Originally Posted by fail0ver
Static settings won’t be the same as the dynamic ballast levels once the boat is moving. The software has an “idea” of what it needs to set the ballast to at static to get the required pitch and roll while moving, but it is never the same. If it was only you in the boat then Yes, the ballast levels will look very different in static mode as it tries to counteract just your weight.
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I find the key to AW is to fill ballast 100% manually, then turn it on.
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I do the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
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Is everyone in this conversation using the version 3.0 swell system or is someone with the 2.0 successful with autowake while surfing. I never use it surfing and haven't been using it lately for wakeboarding.
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What is the real data driven difference in the 2.0 vs 3.0 systems. If there is that big of a difference why isn’t the 3.0 offered as an add-on or people trying to mod there 2.0 system?
I think the difference in plate shape and 6 pumps. New for 2018. The curl on the plate is supposed to clean up the face of the wave/wake
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I still think Autowake is more for those that cannot setup a boat/surf wave properly, specifically with regards to surfing...we don’t wakeboard.
I fill all ballast 100% and have 850 of lead spaced out almost evenly in my boat. 100 in the nose, 300 port midship, 250 starboard midship, 100 surf locker port corner and 100 surf locker starboard corner.
I adjust smartplate/wakeplate on the goofy starboard side to clean up the face and don’t need any smartplate on the port/regular side.
Produces a monster wave that is clean, tall and long as f...
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This is truth. I was an absolute newb to making a wave and AW taught me everything I needed to make an awesome wave.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prospersigman
Do I still need it? Nope, but I still use it with my lead to leverage even a better wave.
I know what pitch and roll I need for my wave and then depending on crew, I let AW talk to me where to put my lead and allows my crew to be ADD and move around.
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This is pre lead with 3 total in boat. I don’t have lead wave pics but it’s significantly better.
Autowake isn’t set it and forget it, it’s a engineering toolbox that teaches you how to build a wave effectively. The one feature of AW that is overlooked is when static it predicts what your dynamic will be.
If you are in the green for pitch and roll statically you will hit your pitch and roll dynamically. Allows you to move crew or lead at idle and tells you when you are good to go.
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Makes sense, thanks for the info (and others who chimed in too). I'll experiment a bit today and tomorrow and see how things look once I have the boat at surfing speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stazi
Agreed. This is almost my exact setup, though I probably differ in my midship locations. I have 200 nose, 100 in the cooler, 100 in front of the batteries on the port side, 100 under each rear corner seat, 100 in each corner of the board locker, and 50 to move around if I need to. I make my desired pitch and roll numbers with this setup and 100% full ballast, whether surfing regular or goofy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prospersigman
I never put bags in the surf locker. The farthest i put lead is under those small compartments (each side) against the back seat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prospersigman
Does it make a difference on your SL to add the surf locker bags?
It's a leverage thing. 100 lbs 3 ft further back has more effect than forward.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJHSupra
Leveraging works great,but ultimately the boat is a teeter totter. You can put lead way back to maximize sinking the rear only if you an still make your desired pitch. If pitch is too high you need enough bag or lead to counter it in the bow.
I only leverage lead when I can’t hit my pitch or roll with bags, most of my lead sits mid ship to the fulcrum of the boat.
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8 bags all in one spot takes up a lot of room. Hence it's spread throughout the boat, in areas that have space I don't need to use - like the corners of the board locker. It's offset by weight in the nose - again, space I don't need for anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
If I didn't put the weight in the locker, I'd have to move the nose weight further aft (to maintain pitch, like you said), potentially taking up space I could use for something else.
Another thing to consider is stability. Imagine your teeter-totter. If both people are sitting at the center, how much easier is it for an external force to move the ends up and down than if the people were sitting at either end?Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
Same concept for a boat if all your lead is over the boat's center of gravity. It won't be as stable in rough water.
Wishing now auto wake had a no dump feature. It just showed your amplitude. Tells you what to do, like move people and constantly shows pitch and roll. That way I can tweak it before auto wakes dumps water to do it. Then If I really need it I hit a button and boom, auto wake does what I failed to do.
Same here.Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
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Is the clinometer app easy to use / set-up?
Super easy. Just download it and open it up. I didnt have to calibrate it or anything. It works really well.Quote:
Originally Posted by GW@vineyardlake
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great, thanks.
We finally got some good weather and I got my boat in the water. I went out and played with Autowake, both regular (what I surf) and goofy.
It didn't matter too much what I did, the goofy wave was spectacular. It took a lot more fiddling to get close with the regular wave.
I filled all ballast to 100%, just me in the boat, then turned on Autowake with pitch set to 9.5, roll to -2.5 (too much) and Amplitude to 100. It dumped a bunch from the starboard and center ballast to try to achieve numbers. It was able to get static pitch and roll but not amplitude. I reduced the roll to -1.5 and played with Swell tabs a bit. I got my best wave on the regular side at 70. Still unable to achieve amplitude.
Because it was dumping from the front and right, I tried moving some lead. I took 100 out of the bow and moved it under the left rear seat (now 250 under that seat, just 50 in the bow).
Finally Autowake pretty much kept the ballast full, achieved pitch, roll and amplitude, and the wave was damned good. [emoji1690]
Switched over to a goofy preset to see if it could achieve numbers with the lead where it was, and it did. [emoji1690]
So hopefully when I have people on board, Autowake will just tell me if I need to move a person or 2 to achieve numbers and I won't have to lose water or move lead.
At no time did I feel having the wakeplate above 25 helped, contrary to Wake9's video. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...ab47d6b993.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...687ebdd010.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...0fe06bc520.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...b379e65a07.jpg
I don’t think you can force amplitude, amplitude is simply how much potential you have with what the draft sensor says is on the boat.
To get max amplitude, you need more lead, crew or both,
Full ballast and only you is nowhere near max amplitude.
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It was achieving amplitude after I moved lead and it stopped draining ballast. I have 850 lead on board, so it's not really just me.Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
Ragboys comment of using half wakeplate is erroneous. Sorry but it is.
The wakeplate lift the ass end out of the water which is counterproductive to adding all the ballast into you boat in the first place. I have NEVER seen the need for anything more than 10-15% of wakeplate deployment, and tha.t was only when I had a full boat. 99.9% of the time I run with it ALL the way up.
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It's definitely better to achieve the same effect by adding bow weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stazi
AbsolutelyQuote:
Originally Posted by Shoebox
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Though thinking about it, I'd be really interested to see the actual hydrodynamics of it. With a given weight- that is, you can't add any when you're out on the lake - the quantifiable difference in wave, or draft, or displacement for differing conditions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stazi
Because putting the wakeplate down doesn't really "lift" the boat, it forces the bow down, which increases the displacement forward at the same time it decreases it aft. For a given weight it should be an equal transfer?
Or moving someone from the back to the front - that just removes displacement from the rear and shifts it to the front. Same displacement, right?
Or does the higher pitch actually cause more water to be moved? Or is it similar, just moved differently (tall and not long, versus shorter and longer)?
One thing's for sure, if you're running 50% wakeplate, you'll need more weight in the back than you otherwise would to achieve a given pitch. This makes the boat less balanced in other running conditions.
Sorry for the lengthy stream-of-consciousness, the thought of wakeplate effect got me going... [emoji23]
Wake plate lifts rear of boat out of water, killing your wave.
Better to add bow weight than plate.
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Yeah it's better to add. I'm talking about on the water adjustments. Moving weight from stern to bow doesn't add weight. Though I'd agree if you need to bring the bow down, it's better to weight shift than use wakeplate. It just got me wondering about the hydrodynamics of it all.Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
I took Ragboy & Family surfing on my SL last weekend. Good time.
Dude can really adjust surf settings to a specific surfer. You can tell when talking to him he spent a lot of time on playing around with settings on these boats - SA, SL, SE.
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What were the settings there? Doesn't look very lippy, but looks fat and powerful.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJHSupra
It was probably 9’ and 2.5Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoebox
I had too much weight in the front that day so it was harder to get the 9’.
Got busy and forgot to move the bags to the back from when I haul them on the trailer.
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I tried 2.5 but it didn't like it as much. And wanted to dump starboard ballast.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJHSupra
What are you running REG side?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoebox
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-1.5Quote:
Originally Posted by MJHSupra
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MJH, I think your wave looks awesome.. A lot is personal preference, some like a wall out the back for a wave, others like a progressive wave like what yours looks like. When riding with Sean Silveira the other day, he prefers the progressive wave as well, said he had more room to move around and could use different parts of the wave for various tricks....Looks like y'all had a blast, hopefully catch up with you this summer.