I suppose as long as you are not trailering with that weight.
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I suppose as long as you are not trailering with that weight.
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Makai trailer maxes out at 6900# boat weight.
You would be at 7700#
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2500 is a lot! And coming from me, thats saying something. LOL
Bagbusters add 640, then if you had 1000 or so in lead you have a pretty decent setup. I use 1200.Quote:
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I'm going to put 300lb under each rear bag. Then 200lb each under the back corner seats. Then prob 100 each midship. Then the last 50lb bag on whatever the surf side is. I'll prob trailer all 1250 lbs and just never take it out of the boat. I may take out 250 lbs but Wil for sure always keep 1000lb in the boat.
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You didn't sell it?
Boat will be primarily be kept on a lift on the water, and mostly emptied when kept on lift during the week. Not worried about trailering.Quote:
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Just wanting to know the best surf set up people have experimented with thus far. Understandably not much info to find since it's a new model.
Well you have to take it up to capacity at least once to see the wave. I would think it would be massive and probaly addicting.Quote:
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Use human ballast to try it first.Quote:
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2500 lead, full ballast and any crew and she won’t get up to speed to find out. Unless you swapped out a 575.....Quote:
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At the risk of sounding really old and being a giant buzz kill...
It all depends on what you’re trying to do, and what equipment you have. What I mean by that is, all weight is good weight when building a wave. But what engine and transmission do you have and what prop is it spinning?
For example we use the Makai for wakesurfing, wakeboarding, and trips across the lake for dinner. I only run 400 pounds of lead. I have the wakemakers upgrade bags in the rear lockers and a 800# fatsac for the floor. 100% loaded up with my family of 6 and the surf wave is great, but the motor is definitely working! To wakeboard I empty the floor bag and run everything else at 40% which produces a wake big enough to scare this old man.
I can drop all the water and cruise across the lake for nachos and miller lite (cuz I’m classy like that).
But that’s just me. You situation maybe wildly different. Maybe you never Cruz and want to “prop it, and drop it” and never get above 11mph! Or heaven forbid you never fill the ballast and just drag tubes all day! Either way it will require a personalized approach to weight(lead and water) and prop.
I got a lot of help from “Dakota4ce” and my dealer. I’ll try to post a few pictures when I get home.
Good post! My experience is similar, and I would say running 1200 lead constantly is at the top end of tolerable. It uses more gas, and handles a bit sluggishly with all that extra weight.
Tossing 1700 in is sure fun for a surf, but the motor is cranking and drinking the gas.
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No need to sound like a buzz kill. I just like to have an idea on a few set ups to cut down on the experimentation time. I have been surfing for near 15 years in boats not meant for surfing and got used to slamming them. Even surfed behind direct drives back in college when on a club ski team before surfing was really a 'thing'.
We routinely added 2500-3500 lbs on top of ballast in 21 and 23 foot boats just to get a decent list before surf systems were available, and this was with old Monsoon 320 engines. Didn't really have any problems getting up to surf speed if you understood the prop and weight distribution.
Once we purchased a 'suck gate' we were able to remove 1000 lbs of ballast and still got a larger better wave. Of course that weight distribution changed from listed to evenly weighted with a large bias to the rear of the boat, but the wave was larger and the engine worked less.
With this boat we will explore all of the factory settings and full ballast. But I will also be adding the suck gate to the side of it to compare. Just like there is no substitution for displacement, I think 'yaw' gets overlooked in favor of roll. Those suck gates do a great job of adding yaw without the upward lift of an asymmetrical surf tab. Also those suck gates are adjustable to different boat draft levels which most factory systems seem to lack.
You have to think of your boat like a plow or shovel. The deeper I can sink the rear the larger area of water you can move as long as you have the power to move the boat. I actually think downward surf tabs work against you in a surf situation once you get adequate yaw. I am exciting to try all these out, just looking for a few starting points.
Sounds like you have it all figured out! Enjoy the process.
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I agree. If you are on Facebook, please post this with a suck gate. I'd love to see the reaction when the general consensus of modern surf systems and suck gates theory collide . . . . . ha ha.Quote:
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I am on facebook, but not sure which page you think I should post to. If you send that link I would be happy to do that.
In my mind surf systems are the evolution of suck gates, which are the evolution from over weighted listed ski boats. It is all about manipulating hull orientation to produce a compressed wave.
The nice thing about the Makai is it has a perfect spot at the rear of the hull for suck gate placement.
I am thinking a 10/0 suck gate wave would easily compete with a 9/3 surf system wave.
You have me thinking.... Before we empty the old XLV I am going to download one of those iphone level apps to get the 'autowake' numbers for it. It would be very interesting to find out what I was running to produce a nice surf wave and compare it to a decade newer boat to see how much things have changed.... I wouldn't be surprised to find out very little has changed in wave theory.
Suck gate + Flow tabs is not better. At all.
BUT: my definition of better may differ from yours. (Legal disclaimer).
Flat, weak, ruined. Suck gate alone minus flow makes a nice wave, but far inferior to flow wave. But again, my findings in an isolated environment up here in little old Iowa.
Used a Nauticurl.
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Interesting observations and I am not doubting you. The Nautique system seems to be a suck gate plus flow tabs built into one system as they seem to deploy at a 45 degree angle off that bottom corner of the boat. I have been in a couple of different G23s (2016 and 2018 year models) and I was very unimpressed by the wave in either model, from a surf point of view. Not sure if this is due to that combination or just a lack of added weight by the 2 owners.Quote:
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Nautique deploys a small plate 90° to the boat. The wave on a 2019 G23 was great, and extremely tunable.Quote:
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I have essentially a GSA system on my Mondo, and #1, combining the tabs and suckgate ruins the wave; and #2 there honestly is not a huge difference in wave if the placement of the suckgate is optimal vs tuning the GSA wave to the best possible. Yes, I tried them back to back and together one day, out of curiosity.
Difference being: tabs have no upper weight limit. Suck gates seem to.Quote:
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Possibly. I didn't experience that.Quote:
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As promised. For reference, goofy wave is a 4'8" 8 year old. Regular wave is a 6' teen.
Running 400# lead. Wakemakers bags. 800# floor sac. Goofy plates at 55 port and 10 wake plate. Regular is 40 starboard and 10 wake plate. And 10.8mph.
Thanks again "Dakota4ce" for all your help.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...d1c88ac9f0.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...a9ab8a3716.jpg
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That looks tasty! Love it.Quote:
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Very nice wave. What are the autowake numbers with that set up?
Sorry for the glare. Snapped these yesterday. Please dont takes a gospel, I dont think my sensors are calibrated well. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...d7b05cfd03.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...0fbca7ea52.jpgQuote:
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I would say you need a calibration possibly.
Personally targets for pitch and roll:
9 high both sides
-3 to -4 roll regular
5 roll goofy
Clean every time. Try to use weight and not loads of tab to get these numbers.
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Tried the suckgate and it sucked.
Added 2000# on tap of factory ballast, all behind driver and it was amazing.
Interestingly with that much weight it didn't really matter where your tabs were set, the wave was good through out the entire range, just different characteristics from a huge skim shape to more of a barrel shape.
We set the tabs (center:outside) 0:100, 0:90, 0:80.... all the way down to about 0:30 to figure out which wave I liked best. We then did the same thing with the center tabs and went from 0:30, 10:30, 20:30, 30:30 to figure out the 'sweet spot'.
I used autowake to get pitch/roll right while going through the above process.
What was ideal setting for you? I have also additional 2000#.
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As of now I am a fan of the 30:30 wave with autowake factory settings, but I have only spent 2 weekends with the boat. Autowake kept front tank at 92%, surf side 100%, and offside 90%.
Where did you guys put the lead bags? I’ve got 1000# of lead wake and my wakemakers upgraded sac come this week. I’m trying to figure out where I should put the lead wake bags. I’m guessing 200-400#s in the bow the rest midship?Quote:
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Probably nearly zero in the bow. As far back as you can for most if not all if that 1000#.Quote:
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We started with 300 in the bow then moved all back and it is better. We place 2 lead bags behind the driver on that little shelf, then the same on the opposite side. We placed 2 on either side of the v-drive transmission cut out, then 250 under each corner seat and the rest under the side seats.
This weekend we explored going a little slower and liked the wave at 11-11.3 with surf tabs at 70ish and the middle tab 10-20.
Are you guys also running the wakemakers upgraded bags? Right now I’ve got 1000lbs lead but my upgraded bags come on Thursday.Quote:
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I sure was-
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So after a summer with the makai what was the best setup you found for your boat? Weight location angles etc. TIA...
What worked for us is all bags full. Wakemaker upgrade bags in the rear lockers. 400# of lead. 200 in the bow. 150 on drivers side. 50 on port.
Goofy: 50/10/0. 10.8mph
Regular: 0/0/40. 10.8mph
The only variable was crew. If we took friends out (2 more adults) then the above is all we would do. But, if it was just my family we would throw a 800# bag on the floor and fill it about 1/2 way up.
The pictures are 5' boy riding goofy. And a 6' boy riding regular for referance.
The wave kicked the sh!t out of my buddies boat. A 2019 Natique wave looks nice, but is super steep and harsh....(Just my opinion....)https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...ed6a7eda9c.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...92af98c752.jpg
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Did any of you guys with the Wakemaker's upgraded rear bags have to add any additional reinforcement to the engine divider panels? Did you have any problems with them?
Did you have any problems with the upgraded bags and the engine divider panels? Did you have to reinforce them at all?Quote:
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The panels have metal reinforcements from the factory. I haven't had any problems.
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Thanks. Good to know you haven’t had any problems.Quote:
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