Anyone have pics for a new SA for wakeboarding speeds of 17mph for kids?
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Anyone have pics for a new SA for wakeboarding speeds of 17mph for kids?
+ that.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJHSupra
+ 17 SE?? Can autowake help on the beast at that speed?
I was thinking my boat with zero ballast will clean up around 20. 18 SE
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I'm 47 too, but I was never any good at wakeboarding, of course I didn't have a wakeboat either. I'll still strap in from time to time. But sucking at surfing looks a lot easier than sucking at boarding.
I read one thread on another site that says the SA can do a clean wake at this speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJHSupra
Anyone with an SA out there?
Next time I go out in the SA, I will try 17mph wakeboard and get video or pics.
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You da'man. I really appreciate that. Let me know your settings etc. Thank you for your kindness and your time.Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
Looking like weather will be good Monday.
Trying to think about it, figure starting at no ballast and try to even weight side to side.
Add wake plate to clean it up.
I don’t think Supra has a preset that slow
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I suspect that's the ticket.Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
I suspect zero ballast, 100% wake plate and see what she does.
maybe add some bow ballast if needed.
you might have to walk the speed up until she cleans up.
But that's all speculation since I still have a VLX.
When we tried the 15 SG last weekend, definitely needed 100% wake plate.. but we were rushed and I wasn't driving so I truly can't tell you if we had a good setup on the SG when we tried. But it did appear to clean up around 18.. but this isn't a trustworthy statement due to the situation and chaos of the wet test.
Hence my appeal to you all for a little help so I don't screw up this major purchase. The VLX's clean wake limit is around 16 depending on water conditions. So the wife is used to that ability. So I am just trying to get her close. If we can hit 17 or so... that's what I need to educate her on before we do this next transaction.
Thank you again kind sir for taking some time out of your valuable time off on the long weekend for us.
Andrew
Or you could just tell her it was 16mph lol. Would she really be able to tell 1 mph?
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I read the last few days comments in the thread about wakeboarding speed, and am just very curious if many adults really ride below 20 mph? I know the ideal speed mentioned by many is 21-22, but at 210 lbs, I ride a 145 cm board and feel that the water just feels soft and squishy at anything less than high 22's. I ride at 23 up to 23.2 or so. I'm maybe just too fat, but I can't fathom any real boarding at 17 or 18 mph. I may have some serious flaws in technique if you all are really able to make cuts and get any air at those slower speeds? Maybe most everyone is just more fit at say 165 lbs?
When you're 50 and if she gets injured and finds out you miss-represented the speed.. not a good plan...Quote:
Originally Posted by padge
In reality its not my choice to raise the speeds, its her body at risk.
All that being said.. no I've ran both speeds and I can't perceive a difference. But see above.
A happy wife is a happy life...
True that!
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I am 190 +/-. Yes I can get air and almost clear the wakes at 65 ft on the rope.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigOrange
Is it soft and squishy?? I don't know.. I don't run your speeds.
Sure I'd like to pick up the pace.. but this is only our 3rd season and I've caught the front edge before and did the face plant..
Even with USCG life jacket.. I felt that in the chest for two days... neck didn't like it either.
So in reality for wakeboarding for us: its really about going out and doing it but not taking too many risks that our bodies can't cash in on.
so we live with what we feel comfortable with and feel grateful for what we have.
4 years ago I didn't even think it was possible for me to wakeboard since I never owned a wakeboard boat before.
So I guess its all situational.
Its all perspective guys...the key is to have fun...whether it be at 16/17/22/23. I am only 38 and gave up wakeboarding after 2 knee surgeries! I live another day and can surf 7 days in a row if all I do is surf!
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Originally Posted by andrewd
Just a suggestion, if you are intent on riding that slow, you both need bigger boards for more surface area and also shorten to rope to 55, at most 60, until you can comfortably to wake to wake without taking those tough diggers. Casing the wake is all about technique and using your legs an like shock absorbers.
I'm not even that great at wakeboarding and I ride at 21 simply because that's what I have to do to get a cleaner wake on my XLV. But I'm pretty confident I could get plenty of air (especially on a clean wake) at 17. I haven't really tried because the last time I rode at that speed was with my kid when he was 10. But if I have extra time, I'd be willing to give it a shot. I'd bet I could cut just as hard at 17mph as I could at 21mph. I know to teach inverts, my coaching friend slows the boat way down to give riders more time to figure out their tricks...Quote:
Originally Posted by BigOrange
Dunno how I missed all this thread... the 17 SA will most definitely throw a clean wakeboard wave from about 15mph and up. Just takes a little front ballast and the wake plate. My 11 year old daughter wakeboards around 17. I’m trying to find pics but my phone is usually for music. I’ll have to get some from the wife.
As far as surfing goes, SA is hard to beat to get a ridiculous wave without needing the ballast an SL or SE does.
Plus, the upside to the newer supras no one mentioned is the 102” beam. Yes you have that massive bow, but the SA is more like a 23-24’ boat on the inside. Get on one, you’ll never believe it’s only 22’8”. I’ve had 10 adults on it surfing, no one was cramped.
I have no experience with the SG/SC series, but you won’t be disappointed in the SA. I’m also slightly biased. Lol... but it will do everything you’ve asked plus give you all the creature comforts you want for about the price you want. And they’re still new enough to keep the warranty.
Sweet! Thanks that's what I was hoping.Quote:
Originally Posted by Broke Pilot
Now we just have to decide.. wait for a reasonably priced 17 SA near us with decent colors OR order a new 2020 Max.
Used SA>new MaxQuote:
Originally Posted by andrewd
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This was at 18.3 mph yesterday on our Max. 4 adults, 1 9 year old. I think our settings were 100% wake plate and about 45% bow ballast to help with the chop. We don't wakeboard but this thread popped into my head while driving yesterday. Figured I'd share what mine looked like for anyone wondering.
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SA 17.0mph, no ballast 50% wake plate.
I know I could clean this up if I spent some time with it.
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30ish% front ballast really helps at the lower speed.
Love that Black and Tan interior btw...
800 pounds of lead and no water ballast, 18 SE cleans up around 18.5-19mph
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Ok, thank you! That tells me the big girls are probably out. I appreciate your efforts kind sir.Quote:
Originally Posted by padge
Still on the radar for a test pic for me?Quote:
Originally Posted by Broke Pilot
Right now the only thing I know for sure is the Max will do it.
Thanks again!
I’m not a pro at dialing in wakeboard wakes. But that was plate at 50.
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Close but no cookie... she'll be pointing down at the drivers wake like that in essence telling me to fix that..Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
Thanks for taking time out for us on that pic!
that's what I've seen with the Max even down to 16. She's really clean down at that speed just like our VLX. The hull is pretty impressive on that boat.Quote:
Originally Posted by haknslash
My wife and I just wished we had some more options at the factory etc to spruce it up some more..
To me when you look at the available options, fit and finish etc.. it really reminds me of the original Volkswagen Bug or the Model T.
They are really keeping the costs down and there's no doubt she performs.. but she's a little spartan for our tastes.. at least at this moment until the SA is proven down at those speeds.
We are pretty sold on Autowake at this point.
Thanks again for your time!
Ahh... 100% on the wake plate might have dialed'er down some more.Quote:
Originally Posted by padge
I know I've said this to each of you this morning in my replies above.
But thanks to everyone in general for your time and efforts during your time off on your boats with family for some stranger on here.
It's a big transaction and I fear making a mistake since these boats around the Seattle area aren't that high in numbers like Malibu's.
On the positive for the site, it is good documentation for future folks as well.
Skiers Choice as a total makes a fraction of what Malibu does. Personally that was a big reason I chose SC.
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I do not live in that area, but from a nationwide perspective, you are correct. You will probably see more BU and MCs on most lakes. Public vs Private companies.Quote:
Originally Posted by andrewd
The bigger question is not the amount of boats, but how the dealer will treat you. If you are looking new, I would ask someone who purchased a boat in the past year. How was the Dealer Service? Responsiveness? Speed to get something addressed? Knowledge of the issue?
Either way, SC or BU, if you are not impressed by the dealer, why buy from them?
With either boat, you will hit an issue sooner or later, so the question is, how happy will you be with the service to get you back on the water in the summer.
Good luck with either boat.
+1 I think the dealer support is what can make or break a boat no matter the manufacturer. Skiers Choice builds around 1,700 total boats a year with a little over 550 of them being a Supra. I never went on a tour at a Malibu plant but I did at Skiers Choice as ours was being built. They don’t cut corners on these boats and the Moomba and Supra boats come down the exact manufacturing line. It’s not until you get to the nicer interior and tower installs down the production line do you really start to see the difference from a Supra to a Moomba. Rather than think of the Max as spartan I like to think of it as utilitarian with some nice additions for 2019 to make it feel a bit nicer on the inside. If you want the higher end luxury appointments and style the Supras are where it’s at.
I test drove an Axis A22 when I was shopping and while it’s not a Malibu, especially on the inside, it did not ride good at all in anything other than glass. It also handled poor with the wedge and surf gate.
My best advice to you is to demo demo demo demo as many boats as you can and really get to know the dealers in the area. These are big time boat toys with big time money and the last thing you want is a nice boat that has a problem with a dealer that’s either hours away or doesn’t really show the kind of support you feel you deserve with a purchase like this and treats you as just a number. I chose SC not because of the amount of same boats on the lake but because of the dealer and small production numbers with high attention to detail in production. If you can I recommend taking a factory tour at these manufacturers and get to know dealers. You’ll feel solid about whatever boat you choose then.
Thanks everyone. Just need confirmation on the SA at those speeds.
I am pretty much self sufficient. I do all my own maintenance and repairs to date on the Malibu.
So other than potential warranty work, or work beyond my skill set or tool set.. the dealer part of the equation isn't as much of a concern for me.
The good news is, our Supra dealers (both Seattle or Portland area) are good folks so I don't have any concerns there.
We have the Bu up for sale just yesterday and getting calls already as she's a good looking girl.
I'll be sad to see her go, she was a great boat. The lexus of boats.
But I just feel that they are old tech (while amazing and innovative in 2013) and resting on their laurels.. it too bad.
But autowake has me hooked... whatever boat it turns out to be.
Can anyone help out this weekend on finalizing if the SA can do a clean wake at 17 or less?
Thanks again!
Are you going on a dealer demo ride?Quote:
Originally Posted by andrewd
Posts 58 and 62 (pic) have a post about it. They both own that model.
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I’ll try to remember tomorrow, gonna go do a little surf session with a buddy before the gulf of Conroe gets destroyed this weekend lol
I am going out tonight after work, I will try 30% front ballast @17mph tonight.
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17mph,50%plate,350# front ballast
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17mph,50% plate, 350# front 100# left
The video is better, it can be cleaned up, just not going to spend my whole night tuning it.
SA will do what you need.
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