2019 Moomba ballast change for the good.

And as Josh referred to, with this new system not having vent hoses on the top we had to find a way to vent any air out of the bag. That is why we have 3 new fittings on the top of the bag. They are basically a one way fitting that uses a diaphragm to let air slowly escape but not water. They vent air slowly and as the air escapes, the sensor sees that and literally gives you the green light letting you know you can top off the bag with more water. Any time you top off the bag and the sensor sees full, it will again turn off pump and give you a red light telling you all is full again. This is another nice feature based on AutoWake where the system is trying to help you maximize overall displacement or weight in the boat...

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Goose,

Is there a good method of manually checking and venting air out of bags that don’t have the 2019 upgrade?


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Man I'm glad Matt chimmed in to really clear this up. I'm so stoked on this ballast system and can't wait to get it on the water.

So if I understand correctly, on 2019 boats we won't have to burp the bags due to the new vent fitting automatically venting/purging the air out while keeping water from escaping? I'm still a little confused if I need to get more flow sensors for any bag I add to the system. If I piggyback a older 750 lb midship bag off the rear 1000 lb bag, how will the sensor know when my 750 lb is full? Thanks for going into detail on this new sensor tech!

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Goose,

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On the older boats, you can manually vent anytime, but you really have to do that visually. That's why the new sensors are so nice.

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So if I understand correctly, on 2019 boats we won't have to burp the bags due to the new vent fitting automatically venting/purging the air out while keeping water from escaping? I'm still a little confused if I need to get more flow sensors for any bag I add to the system. If I piggyback a older 750 lb midship bag off the rear 1000 lb bag, how will the sensor know when my 750 lb is full? Thanks for going into detail on this new sensor tech!

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I will try and help.

Correct, you don't have to manually vent now. We still have 1 manual vent for venting the first time you run boat or if you ever want to, but even that is not necessary.

If you piggy back, it doesn't matter. There is only 1 fitting that leads to outside of boat. The sensors are located on that. So any water that starts to overfill goes through that fitting and talks to sensor. You could literally piggy back 5 bags in a row and all that matters is when they are all full, it will eventually send water to top of sensor. Hope that makes sense...

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I will try and help.

Correct, you don't have to manually vent now. We still have 1 manual vent for venting the first time you run boat or if you ever want to, but even that is not necessary.

If you piggy back, it doesn't matter. There is only 1 fitting that leads to outside of boat. The sensors are located on that. So any water that starts to overfill goes through that fitting and talks to sensor. You could literally piggy back 5 bags in a row and all that matters is when they are all full, it will eventually send water to top of sensor. Hope that makes sense...

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Ah that makes sense and I understand the system now. Thanks for taking the time to clarify. We can’t wait to get our new boat and take the factory tour!

Goose, any of you SC guys at the Detroit show this week or next?


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Man I'm glad Matt chimmed in to really clear this up. I'm so stoked on this ballast system and can't wait to get it on the water.

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Me too! Wondering if $500 in leadwake would be better (leaving 900s and the factory system) or messing with swapping $900 WM water ballast version of lead. Leaning towards lead for space saving and ability to move weight around the boat.

Either way, awesome info!


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On the Moomba, that is why the software is backward compatible only on the units with the 480 display. We are trying our best to keep hardware together so that future software is backward compatible, but that will not always be the case. As to the questions about bug fixes and software enhancements, here is a general understanding of the 480 software and model years....

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Hey Goose,
Do you know when we can purchase the sensor and venting upgrade package for a 2018 Craz? I just called my dealer for some pricing. They said the factory told them the upgrade wasn’t available yet.



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Sorry for question, but our new boat will be coming with all of the Ballast / surf upgrades. With that said, can you use this in a "Manual" way? example it you want a different pitch or roll access, or "fine tune" something.

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Sorry for question, but our new boat will be coming with all of the Ballast / surf upgrades. With that said, can you use this in a "Manual" way? example it you want a different pitch or roll access, or "fine tune" something.

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I can only assume the operation of the 2019 is similar to the 2018 with the exception of the screen change. That being said, yes you can use the system manually without Autowake. There is very long thread on here regarding the proper use of Autowake. Read through all of Goose’s posts and you will be an expert. I was able to get a great wake the first trip out after reading the posts. It took about 5 additional times to completely fine tune it to my specific liking on pitch / roll / speed / etc. just be patient and you will be happy with the results.


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Hey Goose,
Do you know when we can purchase the sensor and venting upgrade package for a 2018 Craz? I just called my dealer for some pricing. They said the factory told them the upgrade wasn’t available yet.



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Just got a call back from the dealer and it sounds like the upgrade is available. Trying to decide if it is worth the extra coin. New board or ballast sensors....[emoji848]


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Get the sensors.


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New board or ballast sensors....[emoji848]

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Both . . . these forums are known as a good place to have others spend your money.

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Your right! Good call! Ha ha


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Posted this question elsewhere on the forum before I say this thread. Any ideas ?



We still have snow on the ground up here but I got excited about the new flow sensors for my 2018 Max so I popped into the dealer yesterday to enquire about upgrading. They said that they are working with SC to figure out what will be required but warned me that the upgrade will be expensive for the 2018 Max due to them having to "split the hull" in order to get the necessary access to install the components. That much work would make the upgrade not work doing. Has anybody else been told that's it's more complicated that installing the sensors and upgrading the software?


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John
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Calgary, Alberta


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I called a dealer about upgrading my 2017 Mojo. GOOSE stated in this thread that is possible. But the dealer said they called Moomba directly and were told it is NOT possible for a 2017.

I tend to believe GOOSE, and thus hate that dealers know less than their customers.

It is a actually quite frustrating.

GOOSE, any suggestions on how best to explain to the dealer that this upgrade is possible and was Moomba's intent to make it so?

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Pretty sure I read its backwards compatible with only 18 autowake Moomba

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I was referring to post 27 above. Any thoughts? My Mojo has the color screen.

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I thought he said it was compatible with 17s too.

You might be right, but thought you had to have auto wake 2.0... ask this on the auto wake thread, hopefully goose clears this up

Reading thru the auto wake thread, goose said you "should" be able to add the sensors and software update to a 17, contact dealer for info. It's on page 40.

Has anyone done the installation? The sensors themselves seem trivial to install, but what about the wire harness. Is this something that I should leave to the dealership?

Also, if anyone has received any quotes (with labor), could you please PM me? I would like to compare with the quote I got.

Regards
RL


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I've tried my dealer 3 times and each time they said they would get back to me and didn't. I also tried a different dealer 3 hours away and same thing. Took my name and number and didn't hear back from them. Very frustrating. No one can tell me if its possible and how much it would cost.

JV

It’s definitely something g you can do yourself if you can acquire the parts.


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[QUOTE=Stazi;342685]It’s definitely something g you can do yourself if you can acquire the parts.


Sounds like that’s probably a quicker way to get this done.

JV


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