That would be sweet if it made it in time , our transfer try on Monday was a little comical , would definitely be better with the controllerQuote:
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That would be sweet if it made it in time , our transfer try on Monday was a little comical , would definitely be better with the controllerQuote:
Originally Posted by Shoebox
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Tim and Erin are going to make it out Saturday, I'll get some more practice setting up the goofy wave
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That's awesome! Tim might be buying a new boat after going out with you! [emoji23]. Although his 03 MC X10 throws a pretty monster wave. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...d1f515242a.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by stevemarich
That does look pretty good, hopefully I get it dialed pretty quick, only set up for goofy a couple of times, and everyone was a beginnerQuote:
Originally Posted by Shoebox
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Getting started on the smaller test tabs. There will be a 1", 45° bend where the line is on the right, both for rigidity and to help direct the water.
No Waterjet this time, since they don't need to be quite so precise. Used a circular saw, and got them within 1/16". Not too bad. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...58fbc99860.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...ee38891f4a.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...55600ffa49.jpg
Well, the rear transom of the XLV isn't anywhere close to flat. But who knows what'd be possible. it's hard to argue with a $15 DIY suck gate for now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoebox
Yeah, unfortunately I have this compulsive need to tinker with my shit. [emoji23]Quote:
Originally Posted by trayson
Oh, I'm 1000% guilty on that. The mod list on my boat is longer than the list of OEM items. And I still have stuff purchased for mods I'm going to do but haven't had time to install yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoebox
The tabs are just a bit too far out of reach $$$ these days. Maybe eventually.
That is funny!! That is why we are all on here - sharing more ideas to take morE shit apart.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoebox
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This is looking badass !! Very well done sir .....please continue the thread until that wave does over the next boat Haha!!
Thanks! I'm out of town at work for a week, get back Wednesday. I did get the edges of the plates smoothed out, as well as the lower actuator mounts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tydogg
I had to rethink those a bit from the original design, because they're made from 2" aluminum square tube, 1/8" wall. With one side removed, they squeeze down on the end of the actuator a bit, and I wanted to remove that little bit of binding. So I left that little strip at the top to eliminate the flex.
When I get home, I'll pull the boat out and swap out the tabs, and give them a shot. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...59dfa2c75f.jpg
Well I got lucky and had a mid tour overnight at home. Got the boat out of the water today and got started installing the smaller tabs. Got about halfway through installing one side before I got called back to the airport.
Is there anyone with Autowake tabs who can measure the max down angle as compared to the bottom of the boat? (That is, bottom of the boat being 0°)
Trying to work out where to put the lower actuator mount.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...a5092c53cf.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...ad59d84496.jpg
If no one pipes up you can have Tim call me and he can go measure my craz, if he's up for it I won't be back till Saturday ish
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Thanks man. I'll be back Wednesday, I could do it then. Or maybe sooner, my plane here in GEG is in maintenance. Might be going back home here in a bit. [emoji106]Quote:
Originally Posted by stevemarich
Sweet, let me know , I'll send you a drop pin to the shop and give you the combo
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Awesome, thanks! You'll have to walk me through how to deploy a tab 100%.
Yep , definitely can do thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Shoebox
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I went to the dealer and measured the Autoflow tab angle on a Craz Pro (effing awesome boat, BTW). The tabs are at 30° at 100% deployment. Seems many run them around 60%, which was 20°.
At any rate, it gave me something to work with for setting my tab angles. I had originally made lower brackets that had a single hole for the actuator. But I decided I wanted to have some adjustability. I made a couple different versions today, but ended up with a design I like. They have 4 actuator holes (of which only 3 are really usable) which will provide 18, 24, and 30 degrees of deployment. I also made it so I can move the mount itself a half inch to change the angles more.
I also made diversion fins for the bottom of the tabs, 2 on each. I'll see how these work, and may play with the angles a bit with those as well. They are currently set at 60° from the transom.
I need to pick up some more screws to finish mounting the port tab, but otherwise they're ready to test. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...81d5ead9ae.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...74d06da95b.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...23e3d67800.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...f4937e0c1b.jpg
I went on a demo of a 2018 Axis A22. It's cool to see the new boats, different newer tech, etc. But it also made me realize that a $95k boat doesn't throw a significantly better wave than my Mondo.
I got the second set of tabs completely installed today, and took it out for a test surf. These smaller tabs worked better than the GSA-style tabs I made first.
I had them set to 23° max deploy angle. On both the regular and goofy sides I had to bump them up from max. I'm going to try the 18° lower mount position to see if the wave is good at max deploy of 18°.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...c8ad33da6b.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...80c99e3a63.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...07246aa2af.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...d63b182af1.jpg
An Axis A22 is 95k?
Do you you get a free T23 with that?
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With enough displacement and a decent device such as the tabs you just fabbed, a wave is a wave. People don’t always cite “a better wave” as the reason they would buy a newer, more expensive boat. You could put tabs on a 1975 Century Arabian and sack it out and get the same result.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoebox
There is often an ongoing assault on newer boats (usually with a mention of their price) from people with older boats. The fact is, with enough ingenuity, dedication, weight you can make a nice wave on most any boat. It’s not magic.
New boats offer a ton of things that people want that aren’t wave related. And they often need dialing of their own to work well as well.
I don't think you riden the new surf boats...lol..Quote:
Originally Posted by dakota4ce
No amount of tinkering is going to match something that's been engineered to do it. I upgraded specifically to get a newer hull for the best wave I could afford.
Bruh.....Me? Or the OP?
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That was the price on it, had every option available. Definitely wouldn't spend 95k on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by dakota4ce
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The salesman told us he just sold an identical boat for $86k. The sticker on the one they had with almost no options was $75k. I sure as hell wouldn't pay that for that boat.Quote:
Originally Posted by dakota4ce
That boat had nothing on it better than my 2014 Mondo, except the Power Wedge and the surfer remote that can control switching sides, speed, and music volume (that thing was cool as hell). Neither of those things make it worth double what I have in my boat.Quote:
Originally Posted by dakota4ce
The power wedge gave him superior control of wave height and length over anything Moomba or Supra have. However, it's not worth a 10k premium on a loaded Craz, or a 20k premium on a loaded Max. The best thing about that boat was its ability to make a great wave right off the showroom floor. It didn't need any extra tinkering or ballast added.
Seriously awesome work here!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoebox
Thx for digging into this. I’ve been thinking goose slappers but my hull shape has a lot of curves but is flat at the bottom of the transom where you mounted the tabs.
I think the LSV has more curvature than the Mondo, but not sure. The piano hinges can take a small amount of curve without any binding. Even if so, you could make an adapter to account for it. Or you could call Wakeland and see if they will sell you their hinge adapter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leebo
As far as surf gates, I wouldn't do it. There is a LOT of pressure from the water, and where you'd have to mount the hinges would allow a lot of twisting force on them.
This is the total curve where my hinge is mounted.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...cf25fb7a06.jpg
These are on Great Lakes Skipper, but you can see the adapter piece that Wakeland makes.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...749a9c8050.jpg
Thx for that. I can’t figure out why they include a shim for the LSV. Where the transom meets the bottom there’s a long flat section that would be perfect for the hinges. Not sure why I couldn’t use the same piano hinges you used.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoebox
https://forum.moomba.com/attachment....6&d=1537126779
I guess the newer LSV transom is different.
Looking at your transom, the shape above the flat could make it tough to get an actuator to work. How much room do you have outboard of the swim step bracket mounting surface for the hinge? You'd have to be creative with the tab shape too, to clear that bump.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leebo
Definitely doable, but you'll need to do some serious mockup before you buy any expensive pieces.
ShoeBox....when are you starting production on these bad boys?? Haha !!
Lol! There's a reason the commercial kits are so expensive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tydogg
I could probably make a simple kit with the Lenco LED switches (for relatively easy repeatability), but it would still be probably upward of $1500. I suppose if there was enough interest I could do it, but I'd have to find a shop that can cut and bend quantities of the tabs for a reasonable cost.
Understand completely!! I'm going to take your measurements to a local shop here in town and see what they would charge to fab some up with heavy hinges also as I have been following this thread hardcore lol !!
I believe anything under 2k you would have guys jump n at the bit brother !! I would be that's for dam sureQuote:
Originally Posted by Shoebox
Sold! $1999 and it's all yours! [emoji6]Quote:
Originally Posted by Tydogg
Probably a couple hundred for the material, cutting, and bending.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tydogg
I'd have them do the smaller tabs though. Those GSA-style are YUUUGE!
BTW, don't go by the measurements written on the tabs, the dimensions are actually a bit different than that.
The absolute most important thing you can do to save yourself a LOT of headache and trouble is to have the shop who fabs these for you ensure that both the tabs and hinges have perfect 2-inch on center (or whatever screw spacing you choose) matching holes. If you make them yourself, find something (like an existing hinge) that has that spacing to use as a template.
[QUOTE=Shoebox;332633]Sold! $1999 and it's all yours! Is that with shipping ? ����
Um...to lower 48, sure.Quote:
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