So the 1450's are like another 1000lbs over the 'max surf package' on the Craz. Doesn't seem crazy, but aren't you needing to add bow weight to keep the ratio similar?
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So the 1450's are like another 1000lbs over the 'max surf package' on the Craz. Doesn't seem crazy, but aren't you needing to add bow weight to keep the ratio similar?
I'm going to keep the factory bags and use them to fine tune. My goal is to make the boat 9000#Quote:
Originally Posted by That Guy
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Sorry, I thought that was just assumed that more bow weight was needed. I run an additional 300 on top of the 500 ibs, so 800 in the nose. I've tried 1100 total in the nose, but it doesn't seem to be any improvement in wave length over the 800Quote:
Originally Posted by That Guy
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I don't want to sound like I have it all figured out, but from my research it seems the more you can cram into them the better off you'll be. Makes sense to me that comparable boats weigh every bit of 10k with ballasts while the craz is less than 7k... I can surf behind mine just fine, but you have to be super close
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I absolutely think you are correct. My boat is every bit of 8700 lbs before you even consider the passengers. There was a time I had full ballast and 12 passengers, I'm convinced that amount of weight negatively impacted the surf wave though.
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I agree more is better...to a degree. And I also think the Craz is probably closer to 8k when wet and loaded. Isn't it 4200 dry? Add 3k stock ballast, few hundred pounds of fuel, another few hundred pounds of gear, a finally 500lbs of people weight you're easily pushing if not exceeding 8k before adding anything extra.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stimbert
Anyone try having wakemakers custom bags? Would they be cheaper than the ENZO
I was wondering the same. The 1100s are already too wide at 24". The enzo are 25"Quote:
Originally Posted by snyderaaron
I am in the market to upgrade my factory ballast on my Craz. I am curious how this turns out. I was sold on the 1100s until reading this thread.
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As long as you have the panel savers installed, will it really matter if they're an inch wider? I have the 1100's, but if I had a do over, I'd go enzo's or custom bags. The 1100's are a huge improvement over the stock 650's, but an extra 300 lbs per side is another huge improvement over the 1100's. Personally I am exploring the best way to add more weight, whether it be steel shot or a piggyback system. I am currently supplementing that with a 600 on the floor when crew size permits. The enzo's are quite a bit more money, but you're not really saving any cash if you end up upgrading again later. That's just my 2 cents, but I'm speaking from 97hrs of primarily surfing in my craz.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mwcraz
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[QUOTE=Stimbert;300606]I don't want to sound like I have it all figured out, but from my research it seems the more you can cram into them the better off you'll be. Makes sense to me that comparable boats weigh every bit of 10k with ballasts while the craz is less than 7k... I can surf behind mine just fine, but you have to be super close
had a 2015 mondo with upgraded 2.0 plates. We had 3550 lbs of ballest. Then we would throw in at least 6 people. Craziest wake from a just plus 20ft boat I seen. Are we saying the Craz and Mojo cant take more? The freeboard I think is far above the Mondo. I noticed with my 2.0 tabs compared to the 1.0 tabs I ran 65% on the 2.0 vs 95% on the 1.0 tabs. Huge difference in wake though. the smaller hull of the Mondo creates a faster transition between divergence and convergence creating additional curl. Now if the Craz had that blue whale bow like the Mondo or Mojo it would be a G21 killer. G21 wakesurf is stupid huge
Do the 1100s fill all the way? Do you really gain much more over the 900s?
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Not sure which model you're referring to, but I have the 2016 Craz. I had this same problem with mine all last summer and had been consistently playing with this. I'm 250ish and need to have better push than others to do anything with the surf wave. I kept constantly changing variables of weight varying weight in the nose and changing the surf plate. I was weighting the boat evenly in the tail and relying on people in the boat and the surf plate to provide tilt in the boat while under power. But I recently discovered the problem. In order to get the push you need, you have to drastically list the boat to the surf side. Regardless of the people in the boat, the best way to achieve this is to have the non-surf side not completely full. I didn't even have the plate deployed, but the lack of weight on the opposite (starboard) side put enough of that side (port) of the running surface in the water to give me the push I needed. So before you spend any more money with upgrades, attempt full surf side, 50-75% off, plate 60-70% and 2/3-full nose and see how that turns out. I would hate to see you leave behind such a great boat due to you not being able to have some fun too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dmoomba
When I say plate, I mean the surf tab. I have the center plate completely retracted.
So forgive my ignorance but when folks state their percentages of tabs -- do they main the side on or opposite of surf side?
When you select surf port, it deploys the tab on the opposite side of the boat. This allows you to do just as the switch indicates, "surf port".... it should be very obvious. Adjust port settings to surf port.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigOrange
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We have 100 hours primarily surfing on my 2016 CRAZ. I added the wakemakers brand enzo sac to the starboard/goofy side, kept the 1100 in the port and filled everything up. For the first time ever I have a clean wave on the goofy side and I can surf about 20 feet behind the boat compared to the 5 ft I was getting before. I will probably go for the enzo sac on the port side next, it was such an improvement. The port side stays clean evenly weighted for me, but the starboard side needs a few degrees of listing in my opinion. I haven't added any to the bow, but I plan to try a 400lb free sac up there next time we go out.
I agree, it definitely needs a few hundred more pounds on goofy side if you want it to clean up. I just finished installing my wakemakers enzo bags yesterday. Can't wait to get it in the water. I've got to say though, the quality of the wakemakers bags is a bit questionable. I ordered a pair the enzo's and they have completely different port patterns and one bag has 6 ports, while the other only has 4. The seams are nowhere near as neat. I also had to replace my ballast hoses because the ports were in a different location than the fly high 1100's I had previously. That being said, I got a bit of a bargain on them so I'm not complaining.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jjdyn0mite
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i run the 1100's rearbags and i guess 650's front, plus the IBS. i fill everything up and place people to list the boat a little. portside wave is great, but starboard is washing out, when not to many people on the boat. no i am thinking to us the stock ballast bags under the seat and fill them with the tsunami pump. i think this is the easiest way to just fill them up when needed. has anyone ever done this? how did this work for you?
I'm thinking about buying lead weight instead. This way I can save my storage underneath my seats
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I recently started filling a 650lb bag on the floor with a tsunami pump. I roll the bag to whatever side we are trying to surf on. It has greatly improved my wave. I only use it when we have a small crew size of 4 or less because it is in the way and she hardly gets on plane. I am also running 1100 rears with 400s piggy-backed under the seats, center tank and ibs full. Total weight is 4850 lbs but there is no way the 1100s fll all the way since they don't fit very well. If I had it to do over I would get the 1450lb Enzo sacs. The piggy backed setup is a pain.
I recently discovered that I had my surf tabs deployed too far and it took away from the steepness, push, and wave lip. I was running 70% on the port side but switched to 40-45% depending on crew location.
The extra weight and tab setting changes has allowed me to surf faster. Going faster has made the wave longer and much easier to boost airs above the well defined lip. I was surfing at 10.5 and now surf at 11.3 on the gps. I feel like I finally have the wave I was hoping for.
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That thing is slammed, holy! Just tested out my enzo's for the first time this weekend. They are awesome and completely fill the entire storage compartment on my craz. Would be perfect in a mojo!
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True!! We love ours. I'm finally getting it dialed in. I do want 1100s though. Here's a video of my son this past weekend. He was loving his 1st rope less turn. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...b0b4648cd3.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by MMPRES
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Couldn't post video, so just used picture. That's with only 2 people in boat and all ballast full.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcrick
Mmmm. That water looks delicious. Nice and chocolaty!
gotta love Oklahoma! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by kaneboats
That lake and boat look familiar. Is that Lake Arcadia? If so I have a 2016 Craz with a similar color. We have been out the past two weekends. Great looking boat!Quote:
Originally Posted by mcrick
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That was us.. good looking CRAZ. We'll have to meet next time! I think we are going this Sunday too
Sounds great! We could be there depending on the weather.
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that's no joke.... especially right now. Looks like sunny and close to 80.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mwcraz
Update- added the 1100s, and while it made a dramatic difference, I had the dealer on the lake with my wife and me, and it took us over an hour to get a good port wave- only 500 lbs in bodies- we ended up with the following settings: port bag full, starboard 75% and we only fill the center 50% (popping a wheelie!), tabs 65, run plate all the way up at 11 mph. Wave is a bit in and out, but generally surfable.
Sooo... I added a 450 lb sac on the surf side, fill backs full and center 75%, all else the same. Now I have a wave that I can be proud of even with a small crew. Add in some buds and the wave is even better. Sure, manually filling/draining a sac is a pain (often a wet mess), but vs a Wakesetter/Natique it's worth the $30-50k I saved, and spilling a beer on a moomba isn't the end of a future invite. If someone has a good link to DIY plum in extra bag to a moomba, please share!
We still do tend to take out my neighbors wakesetter or nautique for surf sessions as their waves are epic, but for a lot less $ I'm in the game.
All-in-all, I would have paid more up front for the right ballast set up. Seems like Moomba should add weight to the standard boat.
Being new to surfing, I just wish someone would have told me to add 1800 lbs of ballast up front. It would have saved me some frustration initially. Thankfully, this forum gave me all the answers I needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dmoomba
Do away with the extra bag and grab some lead. Much easier to deal with and you do not lose any of your storage space. Lots and lots of us running lead or steel shot in our boats on here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dmoomba
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I bit the bullet. Ordered Enzo's today for my 15 mojo. Anyone running these on mojo. What autoflow settings seem to work best? Currently running 1000 lb sumo max at 60% auto on port side, 11.2 mph, center 75%, plate 50%. Never had an issue, but read too much on this forum.. ha. Bigger wave and extra push not a bad thing
We ride my xlv and friends mojo at11.2 mph. 8.7 won't get u muchQuote:
Originally Posted by Yobrandon
What did you do with your old bags? Another $30-$40 in fittings/excess pipe and you can plumb your old bags under the seats into each of the 1100s. You won't be able to fill them 100% as they're too big but it should improve and level your ride. Just make sure the under seat bags are situated correctly when they're empty so you can burp the air the first time you fill them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dmoomba
I run ~1300lbs port, ~800lbs starboard, center and IBS full. Surf @60% (or 80, can't remember for sure). Wakeplate up. 10.3mph. I did GPS check to adjust. Boat had 2mph offset for some reason. Removed it and matched GPS.Quote:
Originally Posted by wetfly112
I have no prob surfing, even when just my wife and 2 little kiddos. Even better with other adults along.
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I first was manually filling the stock bags, but it was a pain draining with my sumo pump- the bag was not full and fittings seemed counter-intuitive. So I bought the 450 sumo bags- a plus is they fit filled under the seats. Easier to fill and empty manually...Quote:
Originally Posted by c h r i s
Is there a diagram/site that'd show this accountant how to plum them in myself? I can't find a good one online.
You can start here:
https://forum.moomba.com/showthread....e-seat-ballast
I'll shoot some pics of my setup tomorrow when we get to the lake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dmoomba
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