The other less aggressive prop. I didn't think about upgrading the prop, during the build
2016 Moomba Craz
Gunmetal W/ flake
Atomic Orange Accent
Black Deck and Hull
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The other less aggressive prop. I didn't think about upgrading the prop, during the build
2016 Moomba Craz
Gunmetal W/ flake
Atomic Orange Accent
Black Deck and Hull
900s in the rear.. hard tank and IBS filled till they were pouring out the overflow.. the speed at 10.8 .. wake plate at 3/4 ... auto flow plate i think is at 65%.. easy set up ... some times ill add 2 more 350 pound bags just for fun .. but in this pic only the bags i mentioned previouslyQuote:
Originally Posted by Jjdyn0mite
Thanks! Upgrading my rear bags after the break in service. Pretty happy so far with stock wave, just want a longer pocket...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jwredmon101
Got out on a deep lake today and had no trouble going ropeless. Setup was both rear 1,100's, center tank, and IBS full, wake plate all the way up, autoflow at 55%, and 10.6mph.
IMHO, this is how the boat should come stock...foolproof setup. Wave had plenty of push and felt great. I didn't bother playing around with it because the wave looked good and we had an impatient group. Wouldn't have been worth messing around.
Had a great time!
We have tried about every weight setup and trim combo possible and that is our best too. We ride 10.8 but that could easily be a difference in setting. I am extremely pleased. I rode both regular and goofy sides tonight and both had great push, and, nice lip. I'm super happy! That is till the prop got jacked :(Quote:
Originally Posted by 07STI
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Originally Posted by jtatexc
Sounds like 1100 is the way to go for everyone. What happened to the prop? Do you have pictures?
Some idiot left a rope with small buoy and metal piece attached and it got caught around my prop. http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...186dd84166.jpg
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Dang it. I hope the damage is minimal. I assume that's 2419 too?Quote:
Originally Posted by jtatexc
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Yup. I think they should be able to fix it. I've seen way worse get fixed
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Any update on the boat yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by jtatexc
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Yup all good! Local dude got me for 160 on the repair and another 50 to add some cup to it which I am happy I did. Rpms with the added cup are now about 3100 at 10.8mph all sacked out, I am pleased. Finally to a point to just enjoy the boat and not mess with any mods :)Quote:
Originally Posted by BrokeGuy
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Ok, I had some time this week and put in a few hours on dialing in my wave. Just to be clear, this is my first real wake boat and I have only surfed behind one other boat, which was a centurion sv233 and it had a pretty crappy goofy wave. We are in south GA, so pretty close to sea level. I have the stock prop (1235 I think). I am goofy footed and my sons are regular. We were all able to surf with the stock ballast without the rope (settings were all ballast full including 500 stock IBS, about 10.8mph, autoflow at about 55, we usually ride with just my family when surfing, sof 5 of us and I'm by far the biggest at 6' 190lbs). I use trim plate up all the way, about 1/2 to 3/4 for the boys. The regular wave was decent, pretty good shape and clean face, just fairly short. My goofy wave was dirty no matter what I tried without listing, and very short. I am a beginner surfer and I felt like I had to work pretty hard to stay in the pocket unless I was right behind the boat, say within 5 feet of the platform. My boys could get back to about 5-10 feet and stay in the wave pretty well.
Anyway, as most of you have experienced, we wanted to make the wave better, so after reading some threads here and other research, I was able to come up with some 1100 fly high v-drive sacs to replace the 650's, and added the wakemakers panel savers. I have also been glued to the wave shaper/suck gate threads here and on the mastercraft and tige owners forums, so we built a couple versions this week to see if they would work on the craz/autoflow. So we got everything set up and went to get some scientific findings:
First, let me apologize for the lack of pictures, I am the only one in my family who seems to realize the importance of photodocumentation of surf waves...
First we filled all ballast up full, 1100 rears, 500 IBS, 700 center. Then autoflow settings were fiddled with. With this setup, we had a much taller wave with good shape on the regular/port side, but it was still dirty on the goofy/starboard side. We set cruise over 11mph, between 11 and 11.6, trim tab down 1/2 and it was definitely much more push than before. Had a real nice curl on the regular side. But the boat was really working hard, RPM around 3500 and even with trim tab all the way down, I had to stand to see over the bow. This was better, but not really what I was looking for.
What I found is that the stock IBS really doesn't give enough weight up front to work well with the upgraded rears. Ragboy at wake9 recommends 25-30% of weight up front, so I added a 400lb sac in the bow (I put it on goofy side bow seat) to give me roughly 900 up front, maybe a little less than 1/3 of my weight up there. To clean up the goofy side, I set the port rear to about 3/4. Speed was around 11mph, trim tab 3/4 to full, auto flow at 60 on goofy side.
THIS is what I was looking for! Clean face and the shape actually looked like a wave with a beautiful round base like I've seen in pictures, and not just a glorified rooster tail. I was free riding about 15 feet back (about where the rope ends). So much more push, I could stay in the pocket all day. Stock, I was working so hard, I could feel my calves burning. With this setup I rode for about 30 minutes and wasn't even tired, but I felt bad about not letting anyone else ride... The other nice thing about adding the extra bow weight was it was far easier to see over the bow and the engine was taking it easy at just over 3000 RPM. Only downside was I caught a big roller and almost sunk the boat :(
Last experiment was to add a suck gate. I made one that has the paddle in the back and attached it below the water line as far back as I could get it. Paddle is has a 20 degree angle and is about 9" x 6". By itself, I was not impressed, it just made a dirty wave with minimal shape. I turned on the autoflow and BOOM! This was probably my best goofy wave yet. The wave actually crossed the midline of the boat and was probably another 5 feet longer keeping all the other settings the same. This was pretty fun and had a huge face that if I were any good I could probably use for spins and tricks, but I'm not there yet... Downsides to the suck gate: 1. It was a bitch to control the boat at slow speeds cause it pulls to the suck gate side, and, 2. the engine was working pretty hard again, 3500 or so RPM so fuel economy would suffer.
My thoughts right now are that the upgraded sacs, extra bow weight, and suck gate gave the best possible wave available to me right now, however I'm not sure adding the suck gate is worth the extra hassle and fuel requirements. I'm pretty sure that I will stick with the non suck gate wave for my day to day activity and maybe add it from time to time for a little extra boost...
Here are my goofy settings (regular/port side is easier to set up and I think you could do it evenly weighted):
Port 1100lb rear sac at 2/3 to 3/4
Starboard 1100lb rear sac full (to overflow)
Center/IBS full (to overflow)
400lb sac on starboard bow seat
Cruise at 11
Autoflow 2.0 at 60
Water 10+ feet deep
I think this setup would make most people pretty darn happy, it sure put a big ol' smile on my face. I have never surfed a competition level wave, but I'm starting figure out what it looks like. I'm trying to figure out how to get the bow weight up without that big ugly sac on my seat. The IBS already pushes my cupholders out of the bow, not sure there's room for a bigger bag up there in the traditional bow of the CRAZ. I may try about 2-300lb lead sacs tucked as far in the bow as I can get it. Anyone else have any ideas?
Do a fully automated gate
Apparently the 750 ibs fills up about 90% in the craz. That would be a start. I run 250 under my bow filler cushion and would like to find a way to ditch that bag, but run about 900 total in the nose. I was planning on using some steel plate and mounting it somewhere under the dash.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jjdyn0mite
I'm running 1100's in the rear plus 600 on the floor. That weight up front really helps stretch the wave. I've found I can compensate a bit with the wake plate on regular side, but the wake plate just makes the goofy wave dirty if it's engaged more that 25%
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Thanks for the input, I may keep my eyes open for a 750 bag. I think 200lb in lead wake bags right in the nose would give more leverage than a larger fat sac in the bow seat, but I'm not sure...
My first post. Just upgraded the ballast and it is a bad machine. Went from the 650's to a pair of 1140's in the rear everything full and tabs set to 60 and 70 degrees. I am a big guy 6'2" 260 and have no problems. The extra weight is all it needs. Attachment 24646
What brand & where did you get 1,140 lb bags?Quote:
Originally Posted by ZJennette
Has anyone had wakemakers fabricate custom bags for a Craz? I had them make some for the SA and they work great.
Got them from wake makers they said they are the lsv bags you definitely need to reinforce the diveder panel but dropped in very nicely. I used the panel savers from wake makers. Attachment 24649Attachment 24649
I'll need to call them as I can't find an 1,140 bag on their website.
I called them they were super helpful and had the bags in stock.
Also forgot to add wake plate is at 3/4 running with cruise set at 10.2
Reviving this thread because moombaman16 was having trouble finding it. Hope this helps. Also, did anyone else notice wake9 is using a moomba craz in the polar bear event this year? I'm exctied to see how it stacks up and also hear how the boat is set up.
Been running the enzo bags for a couple sessions now, really happy with the results but just doing a bit of fine tuning with about 400# of steel plate. Here are some pics with everything full plus an extra 400 in the nose. Non surf side ballast was at 80% for goofy wave and totally full for reg wave. Wake plate all the way up, speed between 11.3 & 12+ mph. Stbd furf set at 75% and port at 65%. Water depth was a bit less than I'd like... 12-17 ft. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...8c92157df4.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...83c1f31466.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...9edf1d92dd.jpg
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Looks like a whole lot o' fun!
This has all been posted but I will confirm ... I took our new Craz out for the first time today. Wave was great with all ballast full but 90% on opposite side of surfer (upgraded to larger sacks). Autoflow at 55-60%, wakeplate at 80%. Speed 10.2 -10.8.
The wave was actually a little too short and steep for the super fast new boards, so we bumped up the speed and ran the wakeplate at 70ish to lengthen the wave.
For those having problems staying in the hook maybe trying a newer high performance board that is super fast will be the ticket.
Some pics of the wakemakers 1140 bags, was able to move the bottom of the back wall aft about 5" to help get a little more in. for my craz it took setting timers to 13 minutes to fill , at that it just barely started to come out the vent, should be pretty close to filling the bag full, the ballast puppy is supposed to pump 88 lbs a minute. For the wave in the pic we had both rears 100% center and 500ibs at close to 90 % smartplate 20 % tab at 65% , 2 adults and 2 small kids , 150 sumo under bow filler speed was 10.8 on phone gps , but for surfing it , in order to get enough push for me we had to slow down a little , and bring the smartplate to 0 and the tab to 70 % ,move the sumo to the back, a few times we brought the smartplate up to 25 , but really started to loose the push. Had about 2 board lengths of surfable wave. But was a really great wave was able to pull of my first 360 , so just some more info for those us still getting used to setting their boats, lots of trial and error , but a blast none the less.Attachment 25789Attachment 25790
I have a 2016 Craz. I see most people talking about surf tab on port side at 55-65%. I am 5'11" and weigh about 235. The only board I have is a 5'4" Hyperlite Broadcast. To go ropeless, I have to set cruise at 10.5 mph and the surf tab at 35% with wake plate all the way up. If I have a boat full of people I can bump it up to 40%. I can surf 6-8 feet behind the boat like this even though the wave is steep. In the beginning I figured the higher the percentage meant a bigger wave but it seems to me the lower the percentage the steeper wave with more push. Does this make sense to anyone who is smarter than me about all of this?[emoji23]
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You got it. Less percentage equals more push.Quote:
Originally Posted by hawgtitan
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With settings we have played with before trying to ride the wave , anything less than 50% on the surf tabs seems to just wash out the wave ,looks like the tab isn't even deployed
I would strongly suggest upgrading your board! You just can't imagine the difference it will make.Quote:
Originally Posted by hawgtitan
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I was not able to go rope less unless my center and ibs tank was full.
I'm trying to find the best fit sac for our 2017 Craz. It came with the 20x20x45 (best estimate) fly high sacs. est weight 750 lbs? The wake is decent but when riding towards the back its tough to stay in the pocket. I've had some very skilled surfers behind her and am looking to improve its recoverability. We've toyed with the plates/speed and reviewed this thread. Adding in extra folks and at times a third sac on the surf side seems to do the trick. So the solution i'm hearing seems like the 1100 sacs are a consistent solution for many on this thread? My question for the group is which sacs fit best? The pocket of the boat seems to be ~24-25" wide and ~46" long. I've looked at the Fly High Jumbo 2016 sacs 24x24x50 and there is a pretty solid deal now for $179 https://www.wakemakers.com/fly-high-jumbo-sac-2016.html I also may get the wakemakers 25x25x45? 1140lbs or even the 25x25x50 1280 lbs and let the extra hang into the forward compartment? https://www.wakemakers.com/wakemaker...llast-bag.html
Any advice out there for the best fit/quality/value?
Attachment 25891 1140 or go enzo sacs , takes 13 min to fill the 1140s , I like them , with one person in boat and after playing with the smartplate and tab and speed , can go ropless as far as the 20ft rope will go, add a few more people and very awesome wave
Looks great. Forgive my ignorance but were those the 50" or 45" long sac from wakemaker? based on the weight sounds like the 45"? Seems to fit well?Quote:
Originally Posted by stevemarich
the 25x25x45 , they seem to fit perfect, and get some panel savers , i made my own, but you will definitely want some, the 25x25x50 would fit ok if you moved the back panel ,
I had the 1100's last year and upgraded to enzo's for this season. The difference is incredible. If you're worried about losing too much storage, just fold the arms of the bags underneath the rest of the bag. That way when you have a small crew you can unfold the bags and not sacrifice wave quality for the sake of storage. The enzo's are a few hundred more dollars up front, but you'll be further ahead than if you end up upgrading again down the road. Oh and the enzo's fit great in the craz.
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After reading this post I'm pretty sure mattsask sold me on the Enzo's lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by mattsask
Thanks ����
This should seal the deal.... enzo's full and 4 in the boat.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...b2cef40c55.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...a1d1555b33.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by The General
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Stock otherwise? Just the factory bow bag under the seats?
400# of steel plate hidden in the nose.Quote:
Originally Posted by That Guy
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