Fresh Air Exhaust Group Buy (FAE group buy) Anyone Interested?

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Originally Posted by corvette8189

Yes it will be quieter. Install can be a pain. Getting the factory outlet off is the hard part.
Let me know if I can help you out.

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Be careful. Had I known the gigantic pain in @$$ this would end up being, I never would have started. I now have a brand new FAE in the Garage and I don't know if I am going to install it (again.) :(

What you don't know.

1. Its a pain in the D!ck to get the old exhaust off.
2. 3m 5200 is the most messiest Stuff invented by man. It will get everywhere. Gloves and masking tape are a must.
3. Your boat may still leak.
4. FAE does not use the factory indexed 4 holes. so you need to drill 3 new holes that are close to the old holes in the transom. This is moronic beyond explanation.
5. SC uses the thinnest transoms in the industry. ( or so I am told ) At 1" thick I believe it. this causes flexing issues with the exhaust. = failures.
6. this is a 2 person job.
Finally, you need to trust that the newer improved version is not going to break like the older ones did. Larry assues me it won't.

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Originally Posted by flienlow

Be careful. Had I known the gigantic pain in @$$ this would end up being, I never would have started. I now have a brand new FAE in the Garage and I don't know if I am going to install it (again.) :(

What you don't know.

1. Its a pain in the D!ck to get the old exhaust off.
2. 3m 5200 is the most messiest Stuff invented by man. It will get everywhere. Gloves and masking tape are a must.
3. Your boat may still leak.
4. FAE does not use the factory indexed 4 holes. so you need to drill 3 new holes that are close to the old holes in the transom. This is moronic beyond explanation.
5. SC uses the thinnest transoms in the industry. ( or so I am told ) At 1" thick I believe it. this causes flexing issues with the exhaust. = failures.
6. this is a 2 person job.
Finally, you need to trust that the newer improved version is not going to break like the older ones did. Larry assues me it won't.

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Talked me out of it. Maybe I should just buy a new boat instead lol!


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lol me too.

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Originally Posted by russellsmojo

Talked me out of it. Maybe I should just buy a new boat instead lol!


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Originally Posted by flienlow

Be careful. Had I known the gigantic pain in @$$ this would end up being, I never would have started. I now have a brand new FAE in the Garage and I don't know if I am going to install it (again.) :(

What you don't know.

1. Its a pain in the D!ck to get the old exhaust off.
2. 3m 5200 is the most messiest Stuff invented by man. It will get everywhere. Gloves and masking tape are a must.
3. Your boat may still leak.
4. FAE does not use the factory indexed 4 holes. so you need to drill 3 new holes that are close to the old holes in the transom. This is moronic beyond explanation.
5. SC uses the thinnest transoms in the industry. ( or so I am told ) At 1" thick I believe it. this causes flexing issues with the exhaust. = failures.
6. this is a 2 person job.
Finally, you need to trust that the newer improved version is not going to break like the older ones did. Larry assues me it won't.

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I have installed 2 FAE on my boats, the 15 Mojo and my 18 SA. Neither were very difficult. The Mojo has super easy as the flange outlet from the factory was a different design and the pipe just slipped over it, screwed down with some 5200 and attached the supplied bracket. Actually did that on my lift sitting on a paddleboard. The SA was a bit harder, but not much. Used the pipe screw hole template, marked it, taped off then drilled. Oh, I can assure you the transom is more than an inch thick! That design, the pipe goes into the boat some to connect to the exhaust, used 5200 on the pipe to seal as well as the factory clamp. even with removing the surf locker floor, only took a couple hours start to finish for me and a buddy. The Factory pipe uses the same 4 holes, not sure why FAE didn't, but just filled the old holes with 5200, you cant see them after the new pipe is on.

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Originally Posted by KnoxMojo

I have installed 2 FAE on my boats, the 15 Mojo and my 18 SA. Neither were very difficult. The Mojo has super easy as the flange outlet from the factory was a different design and the pipe just slipped over it, screwed down with some 5200 and attached the supplied bracket. Actually did that on my lift sitting on a paddleboard. The SA was a bit harder, but not much. Used the pipe screw hole template, marked it, taped off then drilled. Oh, I can assure you the transom is more than an inch thick! That design, the pipe goes into the boat some to connect to the exhaust, used 5200 on the pipe to seal as well as the factory clamp. even with removing the surf locker floor, only took a couple hours start to finish for me and a buddy. The Factory pipe uses the same 4 holes, not sure why FAE didn't, but just filled the old holes with 5200, you cant see them after the new pipe is on.

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I measured mine (through hole for exhaust.) It is right about an inch thick. I was shocked given the size of the boat and weight of the of the motor.


Per FAE

"....We are now on generation 3 in the evolution of FAE single exhaust (the FAE we sent you is an upgrade). In addition to studying FAE, we have also studied the failures Moomba/Supra have had with their factory installed surf pipes (which we do not manufacture).



While we have substantially strengthened the flange mount, the primary problem is that the Moomba/Supra transom is too thin (the thinnest in the industry I believe). That is the reason for the transom thickener we sent you.



The holding power occurs in the glue joint. Once the adhesive is cured, the screws are pretty much superfluous. If there is any movement in the adhesive joint, the screws and/or weld will eventually fail due to metal fatigue.



We go with three holes so there is a top center hole to hang the FAE from while installing; thus making vertical alignment easier to achieve. We purposely avoid the factory drilled holes because we don’t know the quality of the hole (too large?) and because factory installed parts are frequently not aligned perfectly (which is necessary for the fitment of a single exhaust outlet FAE)...."

That's a pretty solid explanation. Just seemed a lot thicker drilling through. I've had mine on since 18 with no issues. I did like the Mojo design better as it had a bracket arm for extra support.

I believe Supra redesigned the factory pipe in 2020.

My 21 pipe looks much different than my 18 pipe


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Originally Posted by larry_arizona

I believe Supra redesigned the factory pipe in 2020.

My 21 pipe looks much different than my 18 pipe


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I believe SC did for both Moomba and Supra. My factory one had a crack in the weld and I had it replaced this past fall under warranty. The new one is definitely shorter. I wanted to keep my old pipe to compare the 2 but my dealer said they have to send them back to SC for the warranty claim. I was bummed bc I was going to mount it in my garage coming out of the wall LOL.

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Originally Posted by TXSurf4

I believe SC did for both Moomba and Supra. My factory one had a crack in the weld and I had it replaced this past fall under warranty. The new one is definitely shorter. I wanted to keep my old pipe to compare the 2 but my dealer said they have to send them back to SC for the warranty claim. I was bummed bc I was going to mount it in my garage coming out of the wall LOL.

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Much shorter and less of a bend.


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Originally Posted by KnoxMojo

That's a pretty solid explanation. Just seemed a lot thicker drilling through. I've had mine on since 18 with no issues. I did like the Mojo design better as it had a bracket arm for extra support.

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Interesting on the Mojo design from FAE. When I bought the FAE in 2018 I received just the single arm (no brace) one for my 2016 Mojo. I would much rather have a brace as well.