Upgraded Orbit valves to Irritrol 700 **Results**

I will time each individual bag today and post the results.

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Originally Posted by kaneboats

I added a second Rule pump and built a 1" manifold out of pvc pipe so I could have water inlets at each end. I'm pretty satisfied with my system. I usually only fill the front bag for wakeboarding-- we're not that good. I leave the front full and fill the surf side 750 for surfing. It has the Irritrol valve on it and fills in about 7 min.

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Where did you connect the power for the 2nd Rule pump?

In theory, a 2nd pump should cut my fill times in 1/2. I REALLY like that idea!

Here are the results for the individual ballst bag fill times. The results are puzzling...

Left 6:56
Center: 6:50*
Right 6:20

What size sacs do you have DG

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Originally Posted by you da man

What size sacs do you have DG

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All 3 ballast bags are the stock 400lb (70x16x10).

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Originally Posted by flatH20

at one point in my life I did a lot of sprinkler systems - irritrol valves are superior to the Orbit - Orbit makes a very "affordable" product line. I would think you made the right move to head off future headaches - ditto the pump commentary - double that up and you should be able to cut the fill times. next time I'm crawling around my boat I'll check but my fill time for the 250s in the back is less then 5 minutes - its the 400 in the middle that I need more patience for - going to integrate a bow sac over the winter and then I'll be working the pump issue then... great thread -

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I agree. The build quality is much higher and now I don't need to worry about the valves anymore.

I had to take apart a couple Orbit valves a few times because the ballast bags would fill with water while underway.

It's nice to see the fill times decrease with the new valves when more water is flowing through them. That means they are an improvement when I upgrade the fill pump. I am really leaning towards upgrading to the Rule 3800 because no holes would need to be drilled to make it happen.

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Originally Posted by deafgoose

Where did you connect the power for the 2nd Rule pump?

In theory, a 2nd pump should cut my fill times in 1/2. I REALLY like that idea!

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I asked Newty this question before I blatantly copied his design. He just doubled up on the same line that was running the original pump. He has had no trouble at all with that setup. I have been running it that way all year with no problems.

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Originally Posted by kaneboats

I asked Newty this question before I blatantly copied his design. He just doubled up on the same line that was running the original pump. He has had no trouble at all with that setup. I have been running it that way all year with no problems.

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It would be nice to get some data on a 2 pump system.

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Originally Posted by deafgoose

Here are the results for the individual ballst bag fill times. The results are puzzling...

Left 6:56
Center: 6:50*
Right 6:20

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This tells you that the Irritrols flow better than the Orbits at higher pressures but not at lower ones.

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Originally Posted by deafgoose

I am really leaning towards upgrading to the Rule 3800 because no holes would need to be drilled to make it happen.

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You should really talk to the guys at wakemakers. Your stock 3/4" intake can only support so many GPH's so upgrading to the 3800 alone will not get you the results you are looking for. You will need to upsize everything in the flow path - intake, manifold, valves, hoses, fittings - to see significant improvements.

I upgraded mine to 1" and added two T-800's and it resulted in dramatic improvements and I didn't have to drill any new holes.

Here's a link to my ballast system upgrade including before and after fill times.

https://forum.moomba.com/showthread.php?t=11243

Al

JesseC has already posted his fill times with the following results:

Rule 2000 - 3/4" Irritrol 700 valves, 3/4" scoop, Time: 10.75
Rule 3800 - 1" Irritorl 700 valves, 1" scoop - Time: 9.33

I am shocked how the 3800 and upgraded intake and valves made such a small difference. Upgrading my Rule 2000 to a Rule 3800 is now out the window.