Having said that, I am finding that I now don’t have enough wait in the front. I am adding 500lbs of lead in the bow this summer to see how that ‘shapes’ out...Quote:
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Having said that, I am finding that I now don’t have enough wait in the front. I am adding 500lbs of lead in the bow this summer to see how that ‘shapes’ out...Quote:
Originally Posted by moombahighrider
Sorry if I missed this in the 45+ pages. but what the procedure to re calibrate autowake?
My boat (19 MAX ) was "Tinkered" with by my salesman without me present. (In an effort to help) However, I don't feel I am getting the best wake from a 22' boat. Can I surf it? yes, but the "Pocket" seems small, and it is nothing to write home about compared to my neighbors beater supreme v232. I also just rode a Centurion FI 21. I wont bore you, but that stock boat throws a friggin TSUNAMI out the back. Hence there is room for improvement with my Max because it not that much better than my '15 LSV was.
NOTE: I have around 800lbs per side in Midship lockers.
Cheat Sheet: I had a Supra owner show me a cheat sheet put out by Supra on what the settings should be with different amounts a people ect. Does Moomba have something Similar?
Rant: IMHO Moomba has A LOT of opportunity for improvement here in regards to Teaching us how to use Autowake. I want to use my boat. I DO NOT want a 45 page research project on the subject. It seems there is a lot show casing in regards to sales, but little in way to usage per boat model.
I'd go on the FB page. But most folks will tell you to read this entire thread. Once you do youll understand auto wake. But if you want just numbers go to the FB page and search Max auto wake.Quote:
Originally Posted by flienlow
Goose,
Did you ever compile all your hints and tips into a single document that you would be willing to share with the forum (and public)? I've been reading through this forum for 2 years now and learning something new each time that has made it better, but it would be nice to have it all in a single doc to share with the wife.
Thanks,
heath
When you say leave the surf system down, you're referring to having the surf switch to the left or right correct? Therefore keeping just one flow plate down till reaching 15 mph. Or is there a way to have both flow plates down at the same time other than using autolaunch?Quote:
Originally Posted by goose
As far as I know you cannot get all 3 plates to deploy on launch unless you have Autowake, and have it on in the wakeboard mode (ie Autowake On with no surf side selected).
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Was thinking the same. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything when he said leave the surf system down...Quote:
Originally Posted by Stazi
Hey guys! and girls! Sorry about being away for a while. We just started building the new 2020 product and since I am in product development, I have been a little busy...
Anyways, I have been trying to keep up with the posts and questions when I can. I am very happy to see that a LOT of you are now understanding AutoWake a LOT better and I really appreciate you guys filling in on answering the questions while I have been away. One of the suggestions has been to combine my "tips of the day" into one document. I have done that, but I am having issues getting it uploaded. It keeps telling me I wrote too much. hahaha. I have someone working on that to make it "web" friendly and hopefully soon I will be uploading a "printable" version that has all the tips in one spot. It will not have all the other information in this thread, but if you just read it from beginning to end, it should give you most of the information to get you headed in the right direction. I have reread most of it and I think there are plenty of "tips" to how you can test and learn and if you do this on a boat just a few times, it should really accelerate the learning curve. I will also work on additional content and I know the sales and marketing team are also working but honestly the best way to learn AutoWake is to use it. I can write hundreds of pages of text, but really you just have to get seat time to figure out how to use it properly. Again, I think if you read each tip one at a time and do what it says to in that tip, then after just a few times on the water, you will see what it is trying to do.
I know I have said this many times and you will see it over and over in the tips, but if you think AutoWake is a magic wand that will just work perfectly all the time without fail and create massive wakes, then you are starting with the wrong set of expectations. AutoWake is NOT a surf system, it is NOT a ballast system, it can not make the wave bigger or smaller. Instead of thinking of it as a "bolt on performance" device, think of it as a Automated Dash Interface. The reason we are developing AutoWake is to make your experience on the water better, easier, and more technologically advanced so that it matches our brand logo of "NO WORRIES". As with any dash interface or electrical system, while we are trying to make it easy to use, it DOES require some knowledge and understanding. I am confident that there is NOT a more technologically advanced towboat on the market. You might think that is a bold statement, but if you look up our patents and the technology that we are using, it will prove that my statement is true. No one else measures, senses, or controls the systems on the boat like we do. No one can react to what the boat is doing like we do. I am not saying this to brag, but rather to explain that AutoWake IS a very complicated system. Because of that, it is not something that should be expected to be super simple to understand. There are probably some pilots or other similarly trained people on this forum. I am NOT one. But what we are doing with AutoWake is pretty similar to what you might find on an aircraft, or drone, or something similar. While I am sure that the pilots would feel comfortable sitting in a cockpit and turning on Auto Pilot, I can only assume that before they do that, they understand exactly what the system is doing and how it works in case something goes wrong. If you read the tips, that is basically what I am recommending as well. Learn what the system is doing manually. Move the plates, move the ballast, move passengers and when you do that, look at AutoWake and see how that affects pitch, roll, and displacement. Once you do that, then start using AutoWake and watch what it does. If you do that, then quickly you will understand what it is trying to do and THAT should solve most of the issues or frustration or really misunderstandings that we see related to AutoWake. Ok, let me see if I can get this thing uploaded.....
It appears while I was writing the long post above, they already had this link done....hahaha
So, without further ado, this should be a link to all the tips in one spot.....
https://drive.google.com/open?id=15Y...Rij2qDsWrAYBr9
Thank you Goose...now lets here about that new Moomba model and the details on the redesigned SA :cool:
Patience young grasshopper. It will all be coming out soon....Quote:
Originally Posted by Prospersigman
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Originally Posted by goose
It would be awesome if the new(and old) firmwares were made available on the website, FTP or google drive and email notifications of updates. :)
And a feature request and track option, aka github or something.. :)
I shared this with my local Moomba dealer and he was psyched and plans to share with all his folks.Quote:
Originally Posted by goose
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This is a good idea and something we have been discussing internally. The problem is with software things can get tricky and if we make this too easy to get, it could cause problems. The truth is some of our new hardware is similar to old hardware. And on some of those, the software from one model year CAN be installed on a different model year BUT then it might not work properly. And then some software/hardware combinations are not backwards capable. Which means if someone were to put the wrong software on the wrong hardware, then they might not be able to go back to the correct software. I know that sounds crazy, but we have had that happen and that typically requires a screen change. Do you see how that gets expensive quick?? And then there is always the fear of getting your software in the wrong hands. Obviously some of our IP is in the form of software, so letting the competitors have easy access to that is not a great idea. I would love to make everything transparent. I am the type of guy that likes access to what I want and need, but sometimes that isn't the best plan. Again, I typically don't like this idea, but sometimes making things just a little work, keeps the honest people honest and the dishonest people at bay. I know you could say that honest people are always honest, but dishonest people always figure out the loop holes but those are some of the reasons why it isn't as easy to get today. Maybe someday soon, that will all be easier....Quote:
Originally Posted by parrothd
I've been working in software for many years, all 110% true and would happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by goose
If the boat could connect to the internet and centralized databases like an iPhone or PC operating system, there could be a verification level to know who you are, what you have, and what you are running, but that is also more overhead and things to maintain for SC.
Technology changes fast, I never doubt it could happen.
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Ugh..Man..DRM...Useless..lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJHSupra
I don't think there's anything revolutionary here, just that it was patent able.
I'd reason there's some prior art, but I'm not a lawyer..
Goose, and all others that have helped me try to understand Autowake. Thank you. I purchased a 2018 Mondo with standard ballasts and really did not understand Autowake at all even after searching the net, not finding too much. Then ran across this thread and learned a crap load of info. Little disappointing, like a few others have said, that you have to get this info for this awesome thread, but at least I got the info. Have only tried to surf a handful of times without great success. No that I have armed with all his great info I am super pumped to go to the lake this weekend and start dialing in the wave. There is no replacement for displacement. Embedded into my brain now. Great job lads.
Hey Goose
I have automaker pretty dialled for surfing and it works well for wake boarding to, but my main concern is when I switch from my wakeboard profile to my wifes wakeboard profile. I like it the wake steeper and she prefers it more mellow. So why does it just fill the nose more instead of emptying the rear tanks? I go and instead of emptying ballast, it adds ballast.
Her amplitude is set at 35 7.5 pitch and 0 roll wake plate 46, and mine is at 65 amplitude 7.5 pitch and wake plate at 15.
thanks
Hey guys, here's the video I made that shows you how to use Autowake and change setting etc:
https://youtu.be/2bVN071iYLM
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Originally Posted by Stazi
Great minds think alike, I put together a power point video but was slacking on posting it.. :)
Moomba AutoWake - How to get the best Wave 2019 - PowerPoint Presentation
Moomba AutoWake - How to get the best Wave 2019 - YouTube
Good video, but why does your port plate show at 29 when you have the switch turned surf left? In fact, mine can only adjust in increments of 5...Quote:
Originally Posted by parrothd
Hahaha.. I didn't think anyone would notice that. It gets stuck every now and then and have to cycle side to side to clear it. Didn't notice it until editing..Quote:
Originally Posted by jared24
You're not originally from Michigan are you? You sound like you're from down under!Quote:
Originally Posted by Stazi
You are correct!Quote:
Originally Posted by rdlangston13
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Autowake is AWESOME, that is all.
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So - I noticed on the 2019 models that you can store autowake settings per setting (Wake, Port Surf, Stbd Surf). But on the upgraded firmware I have on my 2017, it doesn't include the amplitude setting (just roll and pitch).
While I don't have the amplitude sensor, I do find that the amplitude setting controls the ballast fill levels when in Wake setting. When I'm kneeboarding, I don't want full ballast. But I do when surfing. Presently, I have to remember to adjust that setting when I switch between wake and port/stbd surfing or else it dump ballast (low amplitude) or adds too much (high amplitude).
That seems to me an easy setting to have remembered in the autowake settings so that it automatically adjusts based on which mode you are in. Is there a newer firmware that we can get that might have that setting? Any thoughts to adding it to those of us with "older" boats?
chezdude
Hello all I am new to the forum , I am in SE Wisconsin and just bought my first boat a 2019 Helix with autowake and 2.0 surf system. This video was very informative, thanks for posting. I will be putting my boat in late April , I can’t wait. The dealer is going to go out with me the first couple times to help me learn all the boat has to offer but I’m sure I will still have a bunch of questions. I am really only interested in surfing , I look forward to dialing in the best set up.
What great information! I’ve read this from start to finish. I just upgraded from a ‘13 SA to a ‘19 SL and can’t wait to try AutoWake once our Indiana weather cooperates. Quick question, I was reading that the newer boats have ballast sensors but maybe that is Moomba only. I can’t find anything in the manual and I had water firing from each ballast overflow. It ran for quite a while and I see from goose that I could damage things. Clearly there wasn’t an auto shutoff. This happened on my first and only time filling. I’ll adjust the timers going forward but was curious if the SL was supposed to automatically shut off and recalibrate. Thanks everyone for the great info!
When you see the water coming out of the overflow just turn off the ballast pumps. Bags are completely full at that point. You should time how long it take until you see water flowing out and then go into your fill timer settings and enter that time it took to fill. From then on you should be good to go.
I believe the 19 Supras have ballast sensors and adjust timers automatically.
However, I recall it may have been a mid season change similar to the 1.76 transmission
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FYI I'd take notes on how each adjustment effects the wave. I've prob read this 3 times, and still dont remember everything. I always wish I had notes in my phone. Most people start out building a tall wave by adding mid and rear weight. But then they want to start making it longer. Most accomplish this with bow weight, and speed. All of these make major adjustments, but after this point, when you really start trying to perfect the wave, is when you really need to know what every adjustment does. Most adjustments have a counter adjustment so you can end up fighting yourself. Like increasing speed raises your pitch, but adding bow weight lowers the pitch. I only mention this because alot of peoples frustration seem to happen in stages. Terrible wave....great wave now but short....long wave now but no push ect. ect
I just picked up a slightly used 2018 Mojo. I'm located in TN. Aqua Sport Marine is my local dealer. I am awaiting for a phone call for them to transfer the warranty over to us. When I go in for this service, can they add autowake to our boat? Apparently it didn't come with it and Id like to use it if possible.
Thanks,
Jason
Yes, they can, but it need to have the inclinometer added, as well as the software. The 2018’s also have a amplitude sensor, but you don’t “need”
It. It’s better with that sensor, but it will work without it as I put the 2018 software on my 2017 and it works without the sensor.
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So my boat (see sig) still has original software. This thread mentions there have been upgrades to the software. Can anybody tell me where I can download this update? Please don't refer me to the dealer as they have proven to be less than useful after the sale.
What boat (and year) do you have?Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmsch
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2018 Moomba Max - 400 Raptor - 6 pump ballast - auto wake 2 - flow 2 - gps zero off
You should have the latest software for that screen then. You cannot go to the 19 or 20 software as all that is touchscreen.
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I am new to the forum and in the process of dialing in our 2019 mojo and I have a question about displacement. 9 out of 10 times it's only myself and gf on the water so displacement is hard to achieve with only us on the boat, the AMP / "Potential" never makes it to the hashes and it seems to have very little push. Would the easy solution be replacing human weight with lead bags or something similar? ie: 500-600 lb etc on the port side (we all surf port)
ps: I may not be asking this question with the correct forum protocol... my bad
Thanks,
R
I’m using a combination of 50 lb bags I can easily move around, and an external bag (650lb Sumo Max) and pump that really helps if there are just a few of us out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chaney44ETX
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I believe that boat has 3000lbs ballast standard. You need more weight. Look around and there are tons of threads talking about dialing in wave and the common denominator is to add more ballast. Guys here have at least 4k# of ballast. Your boat has plenty of freeboard and can handle lots more weight. That's what it all boils down to. I would suggest distribute weight evenly and displace as much water as you can get away with and then use your surf tabs , wakeplate and speed to shape the wave. That way it all looks clean and you do not have a ton of tubes and pumps and bags lying around and tripping over. I agree external bags are effective and work well, I just like clean organized look. Plus, if you use your tabs then you can switch goofy to regular seemelessly without having to move bags around. I am able to switch port to goofy side quickly and make transfer (while holding rope) and its fun to try different sides. You cant do that if you have a one sided list. Consider upgrading your rears to 1100lbs in addition to adding lead for a total of minimum 4k#.