New 2018 Moomba model?

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Originally Posted by moombahighrider

Matt, with the g6 system, does each pump have a dedicated thru-hull fitting or are you splitting the line from 1 thru-hull to each of the 2 pumps?

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Good question. With the 6 pump system, we are actually only using 3 thru hulls and splitting the line to each pump. In our testing, we found with the impellor pumps, they will pull the water they need and while it may not be 100% efficient, it was more efficient and more feasible than to install 6 thru hulls in the bottom of the boat. Not sure if you have looked, but we are running out of real estate in the bilge area. I have a feeling you might be asking this because you want to do this yourself for your 2017 Pro?? If that is the case, then yes, anything is possible, but we did also relocate both front pumps to be mounted on a panel in front of the front ballast tank. We had to slightly modify the front ballast tank to make room. Obviously we also had to change wiring and we actually power the 6 pumps through 3 different relay based boxes. Again, anything is possible and I have seen other people do similar modifications to their current boats so if that was the reason for your question, hopefully that answers some of the technical details.

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Originally Posted by 13mobiusLSV

Matt-
Thanks for all of the insight and detailed info on this and the autowake thread. I hope I don't put you on the spot here, but are complete subfloor ballast something that has been discussed or looked at for one or both brands in the near future?

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We have obviously been looking at the subfloor ballast for a while. We know that is a high value to our customers and the new Supra that will be released soon has a true subfloor ballast. You haven't seen this yet, but the new Max also has optional side storage bins that can be added to the sundeck compartments that basically make them subfloor ballast. Not quite the same, but honestly I think it is a design that most will really appreciate as you can still get to the bags if you need to. Hopefully we will have pics of that soon. As some have mentioned, until you see the Max, you will not appreciate how deep it is. The overall depth from deck to the hull bottom is about 44 inches on each side. Each rear bag holds 1000lbs. These side storage tubs are almost 16 inches deep and they can hold a LOT of lifejackets, ropes, bumpers, etc. I think once you see this, you will really like it.

In addition, the Max also has a 1000lb front bag that is completely under the front floor. There is no u-shaped bag in the front bow storage and that really opens up more clean storage up there as well. Hope you like it.

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Originally Posted by goose

Trayson, Thanks for the comments but honestly I am just doing my job. One thing I love about working at Skiers Choice is we are still a relatively small company and most everyone is here because we love the boats, the industry and the lifestyle. Almost everyone in the office and many of the guys and girls on the line spend the majority of our weekends enjoying these boats with our families. We try and keep up with the forums because we understand that as a small company our best asset is our customers and we want to make sure to keep you guys happy and informed. I also learned long ago that passionate customers can be one of the best sources for new ideas. I have been here for over 17 years and while I would love to say we constantly come up with all the great ideas, many of the changes you see are because of issues that you have or suggestions that you guys make. So, we will keep trying to do our job and you keep telling us what you like and what you don't. Seems to be working so far, so if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

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Thanks for all the help,

One question, I saw the Max had the over engine tray. Is that an option for all models? If so will the 18 Mondo tray fit my 15 Mondo? I really need more storage 🤦🏼*♂️https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...840d3b28ea.jpg


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Guess I need to follow the correct Max thread haha. I've actually looked into somehow fitting a removable shelf that goes above the bags in my LSV so you can store stuff above the bags while running ballast, then take the shelf out for extra storage, extra coolers, etc. The problem you have with hard tanks is that the space can only ever be used for ballast, so having a system where you can have a rigid spot to place for jackets, ropes, etc above the bags and then removable to throw big items when cruising/trailering would be awesome!


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I would love to build trays over the bags and engine in our Mojo. Just not sure how to do it in a cost effective manner


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Originally Posted by BrettLee3232

Thanks for all the help,

One question, I saw the Max had the over engine tray. Is that an option for all models? If so will the 18 Mondo tray fit my 15 Mondo? I really need more storage 🤦🏼*♂️https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...840d3b28ea.jpg


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Well...currently, the only model with the over engine tray is the Max. The center sundeck tray is standard and the sides are optional. I will try and get a picture of those. Again, this boat is so deep that it makes these storage trays very useable. We are looking at possibly doing trays in the other models, but they don't have near the space, especially on the Mondo. We might could do something, but currently we don't have an over the engine tray for any model except the Max.

Hmmm, Moomba Max has deeper and wider rear lockers,:idea:, that means 1800lb custom rear sacks from wakemakers, and a monster wave :twisted:
A deep hull like that should be able to handle it. Can't wait to see what some guys are gonna try.

Looking at the wake in the video and bow rise already I would say another combined 1600 or 2k in the rear and another 750 or 1k in the bow with a torque prop. U aren't going to by a "max" to have a good wake for money in a mediocre looking boat. U want to buy it and sack it sick so the wake is stupid huge and long and those "it's gotta be a nautique or nothing" boys take mom and dad's boat to other side of lake so people don't keep staring at what 2/3 price of correct engineering can do. Fancy computer screens don't make your wave bigger. Trim tabs and ballest do.

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Originally Posted by goose

Well...currently, the only model with the over engine tray is the Max. The center sundeck tray is standard and the sides are optional. I will try and get a picture of those. Again, this boat is so deep that it makes these storage trays very useable. We are looking at possibly doing trays in the other models, but they don't have near the space, especially on the Mondo. We might could do something, but currently we don't have an over the engine tray for any model except the Max.

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Damn..... [emoji1304]


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Originally Posted by goose

We have obviously been looking at the subfloor ballast for a while. We know that is a high value to our customers and the new Supra that will be released soon has a true subfloor ballast. You haven't seen this yet, but the new Max also has optional side storage bins that can be added to the sundeck compartments that basically make them subfloor ballast. Not quite the same, but honestly I think it is a design that most will really appreciate as you can still get to the bags if you need to. Hopefully we will have pics of that soon. As some have mentioned, until you see the Max, you will not appreciate how deep it is. The overall depth from deck to the hull bottom is about 44 inches on each side. Each rear bag holds 1000lbs. These side storage tubs are almost 16 inches deep and they can hold a LOT of lifejackets, ropes, bumpers, etc. I think once you see this, you will really like it.

In addition, the Max also has a 1000lb front bag that is completely under the front floor. There is no u-shaped bag in the front bow storage and that really opens up more clean storage up there as well. Hope you like it.

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Matt I would have loved to help you guys on the design and manufacturering of the engine cover and side bins. It's what we have been doing for decades. Maybe I'll see you at PWT this weekend.

Here is a pic of the side storage boxes and center box. I have been using this for a while on the R&D boat and it is SO nice having this for putting lifejackets, ropes, bumpers etc on. Especially when the water was a little cooler. The center "warming" tray really is a nice feature!

This is really good stuff!!


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Do the storage boxes eliminate the ability to carry boards in the rear lockers? Is there storage space for the boxes when not in use? Or is it a leave in full time (essentially subfloor) type of option?

Any r&d pics of wake and wave and what type of weight yall are running?

Thanks for all the info goose! I know everyone here loves following the new developments.

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On another thread, facebook, or something, I saw someone asked about putting custom 1500lb bags in the back for the Max. While you as consumers can do whatever you want with custom bags, I will give you some additional ideas to consider. The storage under the starboard and port lounge seats on the Max are also huge. In fact, they approximately 48" long, 20" wide at bottom and about 23" tall. A standard 20x20x50 fat sack may or may not fit really nice in this compartment. As a manufacturer, we would never suggest to add more weight than you legally hold, but if someone got a little creative with running a hose through a panel, you might could tie into the rear compartment and have a nice setup that adds additional weight to the middle of the boat instead of putting all the extra weight in the rear. Anyways, just food for thought. I have a feeling you custom people will have a field day with this potential and can't wait to see how you guys put that extra storage to good use. hehehe

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Originally Posted by KG's Supra24

Do the storage boxes eliminate the ability to carry boards in the rear lockers? Is there storage space for the boxes when not in use? Or is it a leave in full time (essentially subfloor) type of option?

Any r&d pics of wake and wave and what type of weight yall are running?

Thanks for all the info goose! I know everyone here loves following the new developments.

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On the storage boxes, you are correct, if you use the storage box it would really affect the ease of putting additional boards in the back. But here is what I have been doing and it can give you some ideas....When we first got the boxes, I left the port side in all the time and took the starboard side box out and left at factory. With the port box and center box in, I had plenty of room to hold all the jackets and ropes I needed. I mainly left the starboard side out just so I could check to make sure bag was always filling properly, venting, etc. More development testing than anything. HOWEVER, I did find that traveling back and forth to lake, with the box out, I could put ALL my wakeboards and surf boards in there when the bag was empty. When I got to lake, I took boards out, put in racks and we were good to go. Here is another idea...to remove the storage bin, all you do is pop off the shock, lay the side sundeck back and the box pulls right out. You could just leave the boxes in, pull them out at end of day, put boards in compartment, then put bins back in. This actually would even HIDE your boards if anyone were to look in the compartment when you were grabbing dinner or at a gas station. The bins are not easily stored, but I think this idea is even better than the sub floor ballast because it gives you some extra options in storage...

Great stuff, Matt!!!

Now here is the kicker. Will all these bins fit a 17 Mojo with the 900 lb rear bags????


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Now here is the kicker. Will all these bins fit a 17 Mojo with the 900 lb rear bags????


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Unfortunately no. Not sure if you looked closely, but when you put 900lb rear bags in the Mojo, it doesn't leave much room for any bins.

What about the engine bin? I would be happy with just that lol. Get the ropes cleaned up


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Originally Posted by rdlangston13

What about the engine bin? I would be happy with just that lol. Get the ropes cleaned up


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We are looking into the center trays. I will keep you posted....

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Originally Posted by goose

We are looking into the center trays. I will keep you posted....

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Awesome! Let us know as soon as they are available! In fact I'll prepay for one right now lol


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With surf-engineered boats getting heavier and carrying more ballast, is there a point at or beyond which a diesel powered engine for more torque and better efficiency makes more sense than regular gas powered?

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Originally Posted by goose

Here is a pic of the side storage boxes and center box. I have been using this for a while on the R&D boat and it is SO nice having this for putting lifejackets, ropes, bumpers etc on. Especially when the water was a little cooler. The center "warming" tray really is a nice feature!

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That's awesome!

That could be one big ass ice chest haha

Can you get the A3 Bimini with this hog? Or you stuck with no Bimini storage?


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Originally Posted by BrettLee3232

That's awesome!

That could be one big ass ice chest haha

Can you get the A3 Bimini with this hog? Or you stuck with no Bimini storage?


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Currently the Max is only available with A2 tower and A2 tower bimini w/o surf storage... We have had that request several times but not an option at this time...

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Currently the Max is only available with A2 tower and A2 tower bimini w/o surf storage... We have had that request several times but not an option at this time...

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Well that sucks a big one. Can you order the boat with no Bimini? Then have the dealer order a new A3 Bimini?

I understand trying to keep costs down but a $1000 Bimini option or a $1440 Bimini option doesn't seem to drive the price up very much.

But hey I'm just a consumer 🤷🏼*♂️ lol


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Originally Posted by BrettLee3232

Well that sucks a big one. Can you order the boat with no Bimini? Then have the dealer order a new A3 Bimini?

I understand trying to keep costs down but a $1000 Bimini option or a $1440 Bimini option doesn't seem to drive the price up very much.

But hey I'm just a consumer ����*♂️ lol


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How hard is it to take a bimini and get it modified with surf pockets? I can't imagine it'd be that big of deal. or is there some reason the A2 wouldn't work with pockets sewn into it???

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Well that sucks a big one. Can you order the boat with no Bimini? Then have the dealer order a new A3 Bimini?

I understand trying to keep costs down but a $1000 Bimini option or a $1440 Bimini option doesn't seem to drive the price up very much.

But hey I'm just a consumer 🤷🏼*♂️ lol


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I completely understand but unfortunately the A3 bimini will not fit on an A2 tower. At least I don't think it will. Honestly I never tried it, but I do know the A3 tower is actually more narrow than the A2 tower. As I said before, the Max and Helix are actually a true 102" beam and the Craz, Mondo, Mojo are 100". The A2 tower actually has a wider center section and if you notice the A2 is matte black and the A3 is gloss black. That also helps us keep the right width center section on the correct width tower. Obviously with the wider tower, it requires a wider bimini. Could you stretch the narrow A3 bimini and it work on the A2? That is a good question. I will see what I can find out. I do know the bimini has to stay square or it will not fold up and back very well. I am concerned it might work at first, but then bind up with time....

As to why we didn't offer the A2 with bimini storage it is simply a matter of where do you draw the line. We tried to keep the cost down on the Helix and Max and tried to keep bimini cost down as well. I agree that a few hundred dollars doesn't drastically change that, but if you had 20 items like that at 400 dollars, then you are talking about $8,000. Honestly that is always the hard part with Moomba. We define "Value" as Worth divided by Cost. So, we try and pick the items that add the most "Worth" but still under a certain "Cost". Truth is as we find out that there is more "Worth" for a little more "Cost", then a lot of times we go back and change because it is still a better overall Value. As you have seen over the last 20 years, everyone has done that and claim that it increases "Value". But if you are not careful, then you end up with boats that cost $150K to $200K. They claim it is still a "Value" because the "Worth" is still there, but we still try and keep the big picture in mind and are trying to make sure we don't get carried away. Granted $60K or $80K is still a LOT of money, but we are trying our best to keep adding more "Worth" than the other guys at a lower "Cost". Hopefully that is why all you guys and girls are still buying our boats. And we thank you for that!!

@goose/Matt...thanks for all the details and info!

The bins in the rear are great, I liked having them in my previous boat and miss them in my Craz. Are the bin bottoms angled with holes to drain? And does the water just drain out the bottom or is it directed somewhere with a hose?

got quoted $200 to add 2 surf pockets for the bimini on my old boat. as an fyi. that included pockets and straps with plastic closures like the tie downs on a cover to hold them in.

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I completely understand but unfortunately the A3 bimini will not fit on an A2 tower. At least I don't think it will. Honestly I never tried it, but I do know the A3 tower is actually more narrow than the A2 tower. As I said before, the Max and Helix are actually a true 102" beam and the Craz, Mondo, Mojo are 100". The A2 tower actually has a wider center section and if you notice the A2 is matte black and the A3 is gloss black. That also helps us keep the right width center section on the correct width tower. Obviously with the wider tower, it requires a wider bimini. Could you stretch the narrow A3 bimini and it work on the A2? That is a good question. I will see what I can find out. I do know the bimini has to stay square or it will not fold up and back very well. I am concerned it might work at first, but then bind up with time....

As to why we didn't offer the A2 with bimini storage it is simply a matter of where do you draw the line. We tried to keep the cost down on the Helix and Max and tried to keep bimini cost down as well. I agree that a few hundred dollars doesn't drastically change that, but if you had 20 items like that at 400 dollars, then you are talking about $8,000. Honestly that is always the hard part with Moomba. We define "Value" as Worth divided by Cost. So, we try and pick the items that add the most "Worth" but still under a certain "Cost". Truth is as we find out that there is more "Worth" for a little more "Cost", then a lot of times we go back and change because it is still a better overall Value. As you have seen over the last 20 years, everyone has done that and claim that it increases "Value". But if you are not careful, then you end up with boats that cost $150K to $200K. They claim it is still a "Value" because the "Worth" is still there, but we still try and keep the big picture in mind and are trying to make sure we don't get carried away. Granted $60K or $80K is still a LOT of money, but we are trying our best to keep adding more "Worth" than the other guys at a lower "Cost". Hopefully that is why all you guys and girls are still buying our boats. And we thank you for that!!

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I understand, I didn't realize there was a difference in the towers.

It's sucks having all these cool features that are exclusive to each boat LOL!!!! I've been saying for years it would be awesome to have over engine trays. Even if it was a couple inches deep, you could still throw ropes and stuff in there.

So if I want that factory engine tray I have to get the Max. But if I want factory surf pockets & Titon board racks, I need to get the mojo, but I loose massive amounts of storage from the max, 102" beam etc.

But then say I want the best surf wave possible so I "have to have" the new 3.0 Auto Flow. So I have to get the Mojo Pro. But there's limited color options on the Pro, say the wife only allows me to upgrade if she can get some sparkly metal flake! Then I can't get the Pro, if I can't get the Pro then I loose out on the bitchen new surf system & gator step flooring!

I guess we need a new version of each model. You could call it... Customer Edition aka the C.E.

Then we could do whatever options you wanted across all models.
Want a engine storage tray? $400
Want triton board racks? $1500
Want surf pockets? $1400
Don't want surf pockets? $1000
Want gator step? $1500
Want carpet? FREE
Want metal flake? $600
Want flow 3.0? $2000
Want flow 2.0 instead? $1000

Boom Boom!!!!! Haha [emoji23]


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Originally Posted by sandm

got quoted $200 to add 2 surf pockets for the bimini on my old boat. as an fyi. that included pockets and straps with plastic closures like the tie downs on a cover to hold them in.

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I don't see the big deal about bimini pockets. I priced a pair of extra board racks, Roswell classics, from an online retailer, and with a 30% discount they come to <190$ a piece, The extra wide tines for surfboards are about 30$ more. That is money better spent than bimini pockets which may tear over time.
I have the S-bend tower which has the top receptacle for extra racks. I am not sure if the A2 tower on the Max has those.

I love the the board storage on the Bimini , it is so fast to swap boards we don't even use the board racks anymore, other than to hold the wakeboard, if the Bimini goes up surf boards move up too , absolutely love it

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Originally Posted by sandm

got quoted $200 to add 2 surf pockets for the bimini on my old boat. as an fyi. that included pockets and straps with plastic closures like the tie downs on a cover to hold them in.

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I'd pay $200! I got quoted $500, $700 & one shop wouldn't even do it lol

No one seemed to know what they were. Even showing them a picture they seem flabbergasted on why I even wanted them hHa


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Originally Posted by Isaguel

I don't see the big deal about bimini pockets. That is money better spent than bimini pockets which may tear over time.

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you would think harder about that money if you had a tower that (1) only had the ability for 1 set of boardracks on each side and (2) they run a grand a pair for roswells and up to 3grand for clamping versions of factory racks.
I believe that's where the bimini surfpocket market was born..

Saw the Max at Orlando Boat Show. That boat is thick! Sitting on double axle trailer it is very tall. The ballast area next to engine have to be 4 foot deep. From the seats to top rail is crazy tall. I'm sure people will be reinforcing the engine compartment getting custom bags made and will have a sick wake.

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Originally Posted by BrettLee3232

I understand, I didn't realize there was a difference in the towers.

It's sucks having all these cool features that are exclusive to each boat LOL!!!! I've been saying for years it would be awesome to have over engine trays. Even if it was a couple inches deep, you could still throw ropes and stuff in there.

So if I want that factory engine tray I have to get the Max. But if I want factory surf pockets & Titon board racks, I need to get the mojo, but I loose massive amounts of storage from the max, 102" beam etc.

But then say I want the best surf wave possible so I "have to have" the new 3.0 Auto Flow. So I have to get the Mojo Pro. But there's limited color options on the Pro, say the wife only allows me to upgrade if she can get some sparkly metal flake! Then I can't get the Pro, if I can't get the Pro then I loose out on the bitchen new surf system & gator step flooring!

I guess we need a new version of each model. You could call it... Customer Edition aka the C.E.

Then we could do whatever options you wanted across all models.
Want a engine storage tray? $400
Want triton board racks? $1500
Want surf pockets? $1400
Don't want surf pockets? $1000
Want gator step? $1500
Want carpet? FREE
Want metal flake? $600
Want flow 3.0? $2000
Want flow 2.0 instead? $1000

Boom Boom!!!!! Haha [emoji23]


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I believe gator step is now an option on the mondo, Craz, and mojo. The helix and max still use snap in non skid but it's the same material as gator step now.


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If I ordered the non skid floor for 690 does that mean gator steps

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Originally Posted by Isaguel

I don't see the big deal about bimini pockets. I priced a pair of extra board racks, Roswell classics, from an online retailer, and with a 30% discount they come to <190$ a piece, The extra wide tines for surfboards are about 30$ more. That is money better spent than bimini pockets which may tear over time.
I have the S-bend tower which has the top receptacle for extra racks. I am not sure if the A2 tower on the Max has those.

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The only racks I would ever put my EPS foam core board into are the mega expensive Titan or PTM clamping racks. I only ever put my fragile boards on my cargo bimini or on my overhead board racks. I'd rather have a bimini pocket that might tear over time over a rack that would probably damage my board if we were motoring over choppy water.

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Originally Posted by snowking

If I ordered the non skid floor for 690 does that mean gator steps

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Is that for a max/helix or monda/Craz/Mojo?


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