Shopping for a Craz

Hi all!

Been on the water since I was 8 and (at 32) finally shopping for our first boat. Grew up sailing/teaching sailing at our local lake and psyched to finally get my kids (3 and 6) out on that same spot. Pretty set on the Craz as our limit is 22’ and I’d like to max out our size. I’ve demod the A22, T22/23, and new 22LSV. Bu was amazing..., but too much for our first rodeo. And while the wakes/waves on the Axis were great, the Moomba seems to offer more for the money and I like the look/finish on interior more.

I’m thinking these are the must have options:

Flow surf system
Auto wake
G6
Depth finder
Water strainer/flush kit
Surf bimini
Bow speakers with sub
Wetsounds tower speakers w amp
Gatorstep everywhere
Swivel racks
Seat back kit
Transom walkthrough/stomp pad
Dual battery
Mirror
Swing away tongue
Spare tire
Boat cover

Any other options you’d suggest? Headed to boat show in January and psyched to see lots of options firsthand. I think my best bet is to find a leftover 2018, I’ve read dealers may be able to transfer these around? 15% off is probably a good deal, hoping to push past that on a leftover. Or maybe get a lightly used 2017 or 18. I know surf system and bimini are different on 2016s, is that a year to avoid or no big deal?

Also open to private party sale, if you’re thinking of selling a Craz, LMK!

Heater would be my #1 option!

Heaters, walk through screen, GPS.

just my .02. I had windscreen/heater in the last 2 boats and based on how/when we rode, never used them so before you start checking option boxes, how/when/where will you REALLY use the boat. not having them if you plan on reselling down the road shouldn't kill the deal as heaters are not that hard to add after the fact.

good luck in the hunt.... there's 9 right now on onlyinboards that would make a great xmas present....

Great suggestion RE: the heaters/screen. sandm brings up a good point too, for the next few years with the young kids...who knows how much we'll use the heat. Then again the goal with this boat (getting a newer one) is having one we can grow into and enjoy for 5-7 years at least hopefully. Good things to consider.

Yes there are a lot out there! Key will be scoping that out after the show on the 2018s...I'm definitely watching :)

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Originally Posted by sandm

just my .02. I had windscreen/heater in the last 2 boats and based on how/when we rode, never used them so before you start checking option boxes, how/when/where will you REALLY use the boat. not having them if you plan on reselling down the road shouldn't kill the deal as heaters are not that hard to add after the fact.

good luck in the hunt.... there's 9 right now on onlyinboards that would make a great xmas present....

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You live in Nevada right? He lives in Ohio so the use of boat heaters would be a lot different of a story when comparing the two climates.

we have had heaters in our boats for a long time now and we use them a ton. If you are skiing early in the season or late in the season you will use them. Maybe not so much you, but the kids will absolutely use them. Kids are always cold when then get out of the water and love to use the heaters. As was said earlier, they are not hard to install later on.

We boat in Wisconsin and NEVER once used the heaters. I do have them, but to be honest, i can take it or leave it. Not important to me. The most important thing is the stereo (to me). Don't skimp on sound. A depth finder is a must as well.

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Originally Posted by Munch520

Hi all!

Been on the water since I was 8 and (at 32) finally shopping for our first boat. Grew up sailing/teaching sailing at our local lake and psyched to finally get my kids (3 and 6) out on that same spot. Pretty set on the Craz as our limit is 22’ and I’d like to max out our size. I’ve demod the A22, T22/23, and new 22LSV. Bu was amazing..., but too much for our first rodeo. And while the wakes/waves on the Axis were great, the Moomba seems to offer more for the money and I like the look/finish on interior more.

I’m thinking these are the must have options:

Flow surf system
Auto wake
G6
Depth finder
Water strainer/flush kit
Surf bimini
Bow speakers with sub
Wetsounds tower speakers w amp
Gatorstep everywhere
Swivel racks
Seat back kit
Transom walkthrough/stomp pad
Dual battery
Mirror
Swing away tongue
Spare tire
Boat cover

Any other options you’d suggest? Headed to boat show in January and psyched to see lots of options firsthand. I think my best bet is to find a leftover 2018, I’ve read dealers may be able to transfer these around? 15% off is probably a good deal, hoping to push past that on a leftover. Or maybe get a lightly used 2017 or 18. I know surf system and bimini are different on 2016s, is that a year to avoid or no big deal?

Also open to private party sale, if you’re thinking of selling a Craz, LMK!

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Based on everything you've listed, if you can get a good spring boat show deal, a Craz Pro would seem like the way to go. My only knock on the Pro line is that you can't get a flake and my Ultra Blue metallic flake is a head turner.

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Originally Posted by johnh577777

You live in Nevada right? He lives in Ohio so the use of boat heaters would be a lot different of a story when comparing the two climates.

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6 years in Boise Idaho and 4 years in Green Bay Wi in the last 11 years with GB being MUCH worse than anything Ohio has to offer qualify my opinion and I never used the heater once.

hard to believe that I used my heated seats on the way to work this morning since it's 40degrees here. you become climatized to wherever you live and although people think desert, it does get cold here during the much more extended boating season that someone may want a heater. only saying be realistic in your actual use of the boat as you check off the box on things that might not add to resale down the road but add cost to the overall price of the boat.

Gotta get the heaters, makes a huge difference, we use them constantly. Early morning nights or cool days. Also get the trailer steps!!! Craz is freaking huge, getting in and out is difficult without. That's my next upgrade.

With the heaters you'll use the boat more on cool days. Wives girlfriends and kids will tolerate a not perfect sunny day(those are pretty rare) with heaters.

I'd skip the G6 and use that money for larger ballast, ballast bow bag and heater.

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Originally Posted by parrothd

I'd skip the G6 and use that money for larger ballast, ballast bow bag and heater.

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G6 in my opinion is a gift from heaven. Lightning fast fill and empty. Not very fun or easy to add after the fact.

Also those of you in northern climates that don’t use the heaters, you should give it a whirl and stop being such a prude! Or you’re just never going out in cool weather? Heaters are awesome!


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Are the G6 pumps ballast Kings?


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Originally Posted by larry_arizona

Are the G6 pumps ballast Kings?


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No sir.


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Originally Posted by dakota4ce

G6 in my opinion is a gift from heaven. Lightning fast fill and empty. Not very fun or easy to add after the fact.

Also those of you in northern climates that don’t use the heaters, you should give it a whirl and stop being such a prude! Or you’re just never going out in cool weather? Heaters are awesome!


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They don't go out in cold weather or use wetsuits.. Lol

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Originally Posted by parrothd

They don't go out in cold weather or use wetsuits.. Lol

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Has to be the case. Cool mornings, wetsuit weather, heaters are worth their weight in gold. Also evening cruises back from friends places or whatnot always sees heater and blanket usage.


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Have you seen the surf heated blanket? 128 seems rediculous, but looks nice..

https://www.surfinityco.com/product/...-boat-blanket/

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Originally Posted by parrothd

Have you seen the surf heated blanket? 128 seems rediculous, but looks nice..

https://www.surfinityco.com/product/...-boat-blanket/

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I bought a couple of stadium blankets (fleece outside/wind and water resistant material outside). Cut the seem near a corner and sewed in a shirt section of nylon pant legs with a cinch strap.
Does the same thing, works great and about $50 for 2 blankets.


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I have the surf blanket...not this exact one though. I recall it being expensive but it is beloved!


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[QUOTE=sandm;334920]6 years in Boise Idaho and 4 years in Green Bay Wi in the last 11 years with GB being MUCH worse than anything Ohio has to offer qualify my opinion and I never used the heater once.

hard to believe that I used my heated seats on the way to work this morning since it's 40degrees here. you become climatized to wherever you live and although people think desert, it does get cold here during the much more extended boating season that someone may want a heater. only saying be realistic in your actual use of the boat as you check off the box on things that might not add to resale down the road but add cost to the overall price of the boat.[/QUOTEi

I would bet you would be an extreme minority of wake boat owners in Wisconsin that never uses a heater. I am more than realistic in expecting a heater, I wouldn’t even come close to considering a used boat without a factory heater. My dealer won’t order one without one. I live in Spokane now and it gets cold when the sun starts to go down most of the year. It doesn’t stay hot and humid into the night like the Midwest does.

I use the hell out of my heater in KY. Like nearly every time the boat touches the water, LOL. I almost always get a wakeboard ride at dusk and come in after dark though.

Also, as others said, G6 is a must have. Once you can fill in ~6 minutes, you'll never be able to go back!

Dealers don't really work together in the way that car dealers do - you're probably not going to get one to "transfer" a 2018 around.

I wrote a must-have list after using my (first brand new order) for a few months:

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The options that I can't live without:
All of the wake options - G6, Flow, Autowake (in that order if you have to choose)
Bimini with surf pockets - my surf boards NEVER go in the board racks now, they ride WAY better in the bimini
Rear stereo controls (would be a PITA to add later)
HEAT - Even though it's 90F most days we're out, upper 70's at sunset when you're wet gets chilly! We seriously use it nearly every time we're out!
Nonskid on the gunnels
Rear tubs (on the Max, I don't have them on the Craz and am supremely jealous)
Transom steps on the trailer
PTM Mirror - it rocks

Things I got and won't get next time:
The Cooler - it sucks
I might research doing my own board racks, just because of the swivels. I had the Roswell MAGs on my old boat and they were far superior to whatever Moomba uses. I didn't notice a surf rope wrapped around an empty board rack and pulled my brother up and broke the latch on a rack. it has a sacrificial part that is easy to replace, but the MAGs would not have done that...
Also, probably upgrade to clamping board racks
I didn't realize that without the 6 speaker upgrade (add 2 bow speakers and an amp) the 4 speakers leftover in the boat are jsut powered off of the head unit. Lame. With the bow speaker upgrade, all 6 go on an amp. Worth the money!

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Last, I'm not really here to hard sell, but my 2018 Craz is not-quite-officially-for-sale. If you;re interested, PM me - price will be pretty good as I bought at a good deal!
https://i.imgur.com/F1DlXRv.jpg

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Originally Posted by parrothd

I'd skip the G6 and use that money for larger ballast, ballast bow bag and heater.

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I thought the same but then heard the G6 helps the autowake do its job?

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Originally Posted by dakota4ce

Has to be the case. Cool mornings, wetsuit weather, heaters are worth their weight in gold. Also evening cruises back from friends places or whatnot always sees heater and blanket usage.


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Good input thx! Insurance against crew complaining for sure.

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Originally Posted by korey

I use the hell out of my heater in KY. Like nearly every time the boat touches the water, LOL. I almost always get a wakeboard ride at dusk and come in after dark though.

Also, as others said, G6 is a must have. Once you can fill in ~6 minutes, you'll never be able to go back!

Dealers don't really work together in the way that car dealers do - you're probably not going to get one to "transfer" a 2018 around.

I wrote a must-have list after using my (first brand new order) for a few months:


Last, I'm not really here to hard sell, but my 2018 Craz is not-quite-officially-for-sale. If you;re interested, PM me - price will be pretty good as I bought at a good deal!
https://i.imgur.com/F1DlXRv.jpg

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Thx PM sent!

G6 ballast is huge in making autowake work and adjust on fly.

It’s needs 6 pumps to move water to maintain pitch and roll dynamically, 3 pumps are too slow.

Goose makes this very clear in the autowake thread and the wake9 interview.


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Originally Posted by larry_arizona

G6 ballast is huge in making autowake work and adjust on fly.

It’s needs 6 pumps to move water to maintain pitch and roll dynamically, 3 pumps are too slow.

Goose makes this very clear in the autowake thread and the wake9 interview.


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G6 is worth the $.


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Makes sense, thanks guys!

Bumping this back up to see who has/is thinking of selling a Craz :cool:

I think Korey said above that his might be and that thing is good looking with that Silver Metal Flake and Brittany Blue classic spray!!


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Originally Posted by TXSurf4

I think Korey said above that his might be and that thing is good looking with that Silver Metal Flake and Brittany Blue classic spray!!


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She's Captain Blue, but yep Mike and I have chatted! If i get to replace it, I'll probably end up with real similar colors. But MAAAAYBBEEE on an SA...

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Originally Posted by korey

She's Captain Blue, but yep Mike and I have chatted! If i get to replace it, I'll probably end up with real similar colors. But MAAAAYBBEEE on an SA...

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Your right that’s my fault it is metal flake in that shade of blue is “Brittany”. Those colors will be sick on an SA!!


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Originally Posted by TXSurf4

I think Korey said above that his might be and that thing is good looking with that Silver Metal Flake and Brittany Blue classic spray!!


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Yes it’s a beaut! Maybe a bit more than we want to spend, just looking for other options as we weigh things out :)

OP- Why are you Choosing the CRAZ over other models?

Cause the craz is awesome!!��

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Originally Posted by chawk610

Cause the craz is awesome!!��

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WHY? (I'm trying to decided)

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Originally Posted by flienlow

OP- Why are you Choosing the CRAZ over other models?

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If you read the beginning of the thread the OP stated a 22' limit...

I understand the Craz for the OP since he has a 22' limit in boat size. For Flienlow I would look at the Makai if you can afford it. If the Makai is out of your price range I would look into the Max...just my .02 cents.

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Originally Posted by flienlow

WHY? (I'm trying to decided)

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Yep 22’ limit so trying to maximize my space within the limit. and I don’t love the looks of the Helix and the Mondo is hard to find with tandem axle trailers.

Braved the weather and headed to show today...and that's all she wrote. Spray date of March! :cool: Super psyched

Nice!! Congrats!


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Originally Posted by Munch520

Braved the weather and headed to show today...and that's all she wrote. Spray date of March! :cool: Super psyched

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Congrats, show us a render!