2024 Supras

[mjb929rr]

Just put in a build for a 2024 se550 with a build date of July 25th! Needless to say we are excited to get it before summer ends!
My dealer had sent me some spy photos from the factory of the new 24s. Tower and tower speakers are all new as well as the helm and port side glove box and screen. Tower speakers now look similar to what is on the paragon. I believe the overall boats are still the same as the 23s.

[MJHSupra]

Just put in a build for a 2024 se550 with a build date of July 25th! Needless to say we are excited to get it before summer ends!
My dealer had sent me some spy photos from the factory of the new 24s. Tower and tower speakers are all new as well as the helm and port side glove box and screen. Tower speakers now look similar to what is on the paragon. I believe the overall boats are still the same as the 23s.

Congrats on the order! The SE550 is really sweet machine.

I heard that too - speakers and tower, but I have not seen it (only talked to peeps that have).
Plus a few other things that I'm sure SC will be putting out on teaser videos. I'm sure it takes some time to get a quick video SC feels to get that WOW or COOL effect.

Towers and sound systems - one of those like/hate things. Peeps generally tend to voice praise/displeasure about those areas more than other areas.

When the G Series Paragon first came out, it took me a little while to appreciate the overall style of those models.

[larry_arizona]

New tower sounds awesome and that should be great news for moombas if the FX1 makes its way on them.


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[MJHSupra]

New tower sounds awesome and that should be great news for moombas if the FX1 makes its way on them.


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Agree. With a new tower, I would expect (but do not know) a different Bimini design. The power-tower had some nice improvements and add'l features from 2018 to 2023. So that is a good basis to build on.

[HFarr]

Can you share the pics you got of your build? I love my Makai, but would drool to have an SE!

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[MJHSupra]

Can you share the pics you got of your build? I love my Makai, but would drool to have an SE!

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Not sure SC would like that before their 2024 announcements.

It will be a little time before all the online builders are ready. That is usually the last thing to go live.


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[larry_arizona]

Is it called the FXtwo? Lol

I would prefer if it folded rearward or telescopes like Nautty.

Styling will always be suggestive but will be hard to improve on the FXone.


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[mgswake]

Will be interesting to see the changes. If the FXone tower does make it to Moomba wouldnt it likely come with a pretty decent price hike? Maybe it could be an option like the pro tower was for some of the Moomba line.

mjb929rr - a 2024 SE 550, base MSRP + 550 motor, that has to be approaching the high 200k possibly 300k mark depending on options. Congratulations on the new boat, should be awesome for you. When is your estimated build and delivery dates?

[MJHSupra]

I would prefer if it folded rearward or telescopes like Nautty.

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Like MC’s towers that fold to the rear? Ha ha.


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[Yzfguy06]

I’m interested to see what they announce for 24.

[Mobius22]

2024 Supra changes are massive. Should be releasing late this month. The stereo is absolutely insane.

[larry_arizona]

Like MC’s towers that fold to the rear? Ha ha.


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I didn't say MC towers weren't functional lol

Drew, looking forward to the reveal, Is Supra sticking with JL audio?


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[mjb929rr]

Will be interesting to see the changes. If the FXone tower does make it to Moomba wouldnt it likely come with a pretty decent price hike? Maybe it could be an option like the pro tower was for some of the Moomba line.

mjb929rr - a 2024 SE 550, base MSRP + 550 motor, that has to be approaching the high 200k possibly 300k mark depending on options. Congratulations on the new boat, should be awesome for you. When is your estimated build and delivery dates?


Appreciate that. Build date is end if this month so should see it by mid august. Base price has gone up again of course. We added every option except for the electric steering and msrp ended up at 297. Ended up getting 17% off of that for a purchase price.

As far as the new stereo goes. They added two more dash speakers that are aimed directly back, think a vent right above the screens. Also there are additional speakers in the tower on the inside about a third of the way up. I’d say the neee tower combines a lot of the fx1 with some new changes. The only disappointing thing was you aren’t able to add a second pair of racks.

[larry_arizona]

Boat sounds BALLER, can't wait to see it!!!! Congrats!

Sounds like PTM still makes the tower, and JL audio and Indmar still on board.

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[HFarr]

2024 Supra changes are massive. Should be releasing late this month. The stereo is absolutely insane.Sounds like tou have an inside track!? Spill your guts man! What do you know!! LOL!

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[mgswake]

Sounds like tou have an inside track!? Spill your guts man! What do you know!! LOL!

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I could be mistaken, but I thought Mobius22 was actually a SC employee. I could be wrong about that, but for some reason I thought I read that in a post somewhere. Maybe mobius or others could clarify. If your comment was a joke/sarcasm then I completely missed it! Now that i reread and see the LOL.

Either way, whoever the person is wouldn't be allowed to share. SC asks anyone that gets the sneak peek to wait until the release before sharing. Otherwise you may not get to see the secret/sneak peek stuff the next time.

My dealer told me about some of the changes when I was talking with them about my boat. They also mentioned they had pictures they could show me in person, but are not allowed to send out until after the release. Should be some exciting new features coming out later this month. Last I heard the timeline was July 20.

[MJHSupra]

The only disappointing thing was you aren’t able to add a second pair of racks.

Love my second set of racks on the SL. And they get used. Especially when everyone brings their own foil.

[MJHSupra]

I didn't say MC towers weren't functional lol

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Agree. That was the one thing I noticed years ago on that tower and really liked how it worked.

[MJHSupra]

I could be mistaken, but I thought Mobius22 was actually a SC employee. I could be wrong about that, but for some reason I thought I read that in a post somewhere. Maybe mobius or others could clarify. If your comment was a joke/sarcasm then I completely missed it! Now that i reread and see the LOL.


If this was the warm/cold game, I would say your first sentence is "very warm".

[larry_arizona]

It's never been a secret that mobius22 is Drew Tinker who is a SC Regional Sales Manager.

He often gives the plant tours and is an active member during the PWT events.

Great guy, met him a couple times.

There are a few other SC and Indmar employees that have participated on the forum.

RTink is Rick Tinker President of SC
Goose is a moomba Engineer
Engine Nut is a Indmar Engineer


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[Hayden]

It's never been a secret that mobius22 is Drew Tinker who is a SC Regional Sales Manager.

He often gives the plant tours and is an active member during the PWT events.

Great guy, met him a couple times.

There are a few other SC and Indmar employees that have participated on the forum.

RTink is Rick Tinker President of SC
Goose is a moomba Engineer
Engine Nut is a Indmar Engineer


Who is Jon?
https://forum.moomba.com/search.php?searchid=8355032

[larry_arizona]

I think Jon is also a regional sales manager, k think I met him during our tour, not sure he is on the forum,


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[Mobius22]

It's never been a secret that mobius22 is Drew Tinker who is a SC Regional Sales Manager.

He often gives the plant tours and is an active member during the PWT events.

Great guy, met him a couple times.

There are a few other SC and Indmar employees that have participated on the forum.

RTink is Rick Tinker President of SC
Goose is a moomba Engineer
Engine Nut is a Indmar Engineer


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You are correct on all counts

[HFarr]

This could be like an episode in Mission Impossible when the NOC list gets released! LOL!!

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[Mobius22]

Appreciate that. Build date is end if this month so should see it by mid august. Base price has gone up again of course. We added every option except for the electric steering and msrp ended up at 297. Ended up getting 17% off of that for a purchase price.

As far as the new stereo goes. They added two more dash speakers that are aimed directly back, think a vent right above the screens. Also there are additional speakers in the tower on the inside about a third of the way up. IÂ’d say the neee tower combines a lot of the fx1 with some new changes. The only disappointing thing was you arenÂ’t able to add a second pair of racks.

Stereo has 3 industry firsts built into it and all of it is custom designed by Supra in-house. It is truly revolutionary from a sound clarity and just overall experience. Felt like I was in a theatre when I first heard it. Y'all will love it

[larry_arizona]

Impressed that SC is building their own speakers and amps in house.

Or are you having them "built to print"

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[MJHSupra]

You are correct on all counts

Did Larry "Engine Nut" Engelbert retire from Indmar? What a nice guy to answer all of our questions over the years.

Not sure if Natalie told me that or read something on social media.

[Hayden]

Who is Jon?
https://forum.moomba.com/search.php?searchid=8355032

Odd I thought this link worked yesterday...anyways here are some of the posts Jon made:

https://forum.moomba.com/showthread.php?36523-2021-Mojo-Update&p=369690#post369690

[Mobius22]

Impressed that SC is building their own speakers and amps in house.

Or are you having them "built to print"

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Not building the speakers ourselves, but custom designed by us and exclusive to Supra only

[Jon]

Odd I thought this link worked yesterday...anyways here are some of the posts Jon made:

https://forum.moomba.com/showthread.php?36523-2021-Mojo-Update&p=369690#post369690


Hey! I'm a Sales Rep along with Drew and previously worked in our tech/customer service office.

[larry_arizona]

That's what helps make this forum great, employee participation.


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[Hayden]

That's what helps make this forum great, employee participation.


Heck, yes!

[sandm]

That's what helps make this forum great, employee participation.


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agreed. was quite amazed when we shopped in 2020 and called SC for kaiyen tower specs for garage and call was answered by none other than Drew. had quite a cool convo with him... :) :)

all that said not sure I'd be excited about the audio. audio quality and sound varies from person to person and going proprietary or in-house usually means a pita to change out and for whatever reason the wakeboat industry seems hellbent on being heard from a quarter mile away even though 90% of the activity now happens 20ft behind the boat.
SC has definitely built the brands into some of the best out there considering back when we bought our first one, they were not one that was talked about much....

[larry_arizona]

We are at the end of the month.......any more Supra news?


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[sandm]

We are at the end of the month.......any more Supra news?


supra SV. nothing on size. tower speakers are interesting looking. not anything like WS or JL. very square.

[MJHSupra]

I caught a look at the 2024 SL.

I think announcements and videos are early-Aug? So technically that starts next week.

Not sure I heard Drew announce a date on social media yet.


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[Bmac]

Jon said next week for 2024 Moomba release. I don’t know if they release Supra at the same time or not. Next week can’t come fast enough!


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[MJHSupra]

That is what I read too. Release of the Moomba line.

Maybe the Supra video trailers will sneak out too.


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[MJHSupra]

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[MJHSupra]

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[MJHSupra]

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[MJHSupra]

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[MJHSupra]

Some pics from the Supra Moomba event on Norris. They had the new 2024 SE.


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[haknslash]

Same one at the dealer. Very nice upgrades and audio is nuts.

[MJHSupra]

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[larry_arizona]

24 Supras looking good!!!


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[Mobius22]

Expect to start seeing some Supra teasers soon, should launch later this week

[larry_arizona]

Whatever happened to the twilight metallic color from 2021 that never launched? Plans to bring it back?


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[Mobius22]

Whatever happened to the twilight metallic color from 2021 that never launched? Plans to bring it back?


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Had a lot of issues with it, no plans to bring it back.

[Yzfguy06]

Expect to start seeing some Supra teasers soon, should launch later this week

That was my thought. If they’re out in the wild already why no information or teasers? Are these customer boats or dealer/sc demos?

[Mobius22]

That was my thought. If theyÂ’re out in the wild already why no information or teasers? Are these customer boats or dealer/sc demos?

We're doing a lot better than we usually do on having the website ready close to when boats are hitting lots. Some of you remember having to wait til September or October in the past.

[Yzfguy06]

We're doing a lot better than we usually do on having the website ready close to when boats are hitting lots. Some of you remember having to wait til September or October in the past.

Yea I remember that lol

[MJHSupra]

Here is one:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cvp5JUKvuTr/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==


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[MJHSupra]

Here is another:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cvpadlnt6UA/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==


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[larry_arizona]

Looks like a crazy amount of integrated speakers in the sides of the tower, cool.

Are the side pulls for the tower still available?

Also, with the new tower folded, can the boat on trailer clear an 8 foot door with board racks on?


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[mgswake]

Is the tower folding back toward the stern on the 2024? I saw a 2024 on only inboards yesterday, the speakers look similar to the first speakers Nautique had on the telescoping towers. The SL also had a drop step button on the transom, possible power swim platform?

https://www.onlyinboards.com/2024-Supra-SL-450-for-sale-Osage-Beach-Missouri-161152.aspx

[haknslash]

Looks like a crazy amount of integrated speakers in the sides of the tower, cool.

Are the side pulls for the tower still available?

Also, with the new tower folded, can the boat on trailer clear an 8 foot door with board racks on?


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Side tow points are integrated towards the top now. Very slick and much nicer than previous design IMO

[rhouse181]

New Supra features are live:

supraboats.com/new (http://www.supraboats.com/new)

They added a power "drop step" to the swim platform which looks pretty cool. Don't know how i feel about power steering though...

[mgswake]

Not sure what the cost is on the drop step, but my retractable ladder works great and is likely far less expensive. Not a fan of the tower on first look but it may grow on me. I do like the tower speaker housing, but not a fan of the basic mesh looking grill. Just looks out of place and plain to me.

2024 SL 209,000 MSRP. Don't think I will be upgrading anytime soon. Nautique priced me out of a new boat and Supra is about to price me out as well. 2024' look nice though, hope they continue to sell well.

[gpippin08]

Not sure what the cost is on the drop step, but my retractable ladder works great and is likely far less expensive. Not a fan of the tower on first look but it may grow on me. I do like the tower speaker housing, but not a fan of the basic mesh looking grill. Just looks out of place and plain to me.

2024 SL 209,000 MSRP. Don't think I will be upgrading anytime soon. Nautique priced me out of a new boat and Supra is about to price me out as well. 2024' look nice though, hope they continue to sell well.

Is 209k the base starting MSRP before add-ons for the SL?


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[mgswake]

That's what the website shows.

SE - 226,000
SL - 209,000
SA - 197,000
SV - 190,000

https://www.supraboats.com/#

[Mobius22]

New features on the 2024s

New Model SV (21'10")
New Audio (18 speakers and 5 amps standard with 3 industry first designs)
New Tower (Clamping racks, surf tow points, battery switch and bimini standard)
New Dash
New Windshield
New Electric Steering option
New Dropstep Platform Option
Dynamic Driver's Seat - Moves up and down with the pitch of the boat for visibility
4 New Gelcoats
Integrated Driver's Seat switches (moved the buttons on the side, instead of on screen)
Larger Rudder
New High Output Thrusters
Rudder Indicator on Dash

and I'm probably forgetting some stuff too... it's alot and really the only things you add are Tower Speakers, cover and whatever lights you might want and you're done. Obviously, you can load it, but the base price is loaded too for what is included

[larry_arizona]

What's new on the HO thrusters and are they standard now?


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[Mobius22]

Not standard and they are more powerful now

[larry_arizona]

The steering wheel that returns to center is an awesome feature along with the long asked for rudder indicator, great job.


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[Mobius22]

The coolest thing for me was the driver's seat moving up and down on its own when I would plane the boat off. So awesome

[mgswake]

I like the rudder indicator. I have seen that asked for a couple times on the forum. It's almost like someone from SC is on the sites and listening to the consumers. That's pretty cool.

The 4 new gelcoats, that is referring to the 4 new colors, correct? Or are there new gel coat patterns as well?

[mjb929rr]

We are hoping our new SE arrives next week! Will provide some reviews on the new features. Another thing I noticed is the weight on each Model is up 250-300lbs. Must be from the extra audio stuff

[Mobius22]

We are hoping our new SE arrives next week! Will provide some reviews on the new features. Another thing I noticed is the weight on each Model is up 250-300lbs. Must be from the extra audio stuff

Tower is uh... beefier

[SONIC]

The platform step rudder indicator and dynamic seat height adjustment are awesome upgrades.
I'm curious on the in-tower speakers.
I know everyone wants to be the loudest douche(*I mean cool guy) around but I already get annoyed with tower speakers blaring too close to my head at high volume, now you've got 4 speakers blasting within inches directly at your head. I'm curious how unpleasant that is
overall looks like a great set of upgrades.
As has already been stated the MSRP has gone through the roof but hey that just makes my boat worth more I guess.
MSRP is up what 70k in 3 years? What a time to be alive!

I really thought 8% interest rates were going to put a damper on the boatflation but doesn't seem to make much difference.

[Yzfguy06]

That's what the website shows.

SE - 226,000
SL - 209,000
SA - 197,000
SV - 190,000

https://www.supraboats.com/#

10% Msrp increase… ouch 🤯

[Yzfguy06]

The platform step rudder indicator and dynamic seat height adjustment are awesome upgrades.
I'm curious on the in-tower speakers.
I know everyone wants to be the loudest douche(*I mean cool guy) around but I already get annoyed with tower speakers blaring too close to my head at high volume, now you've got 4 speakers blasting within inches directly at your head. I'm curious how unpleasant that is
overall looks like a great set of upgrades.
As has already been stated the MSRP has gone through the roof but hey that just makes my boat worth more I guess.
MSRP is up what 70k in 3 years? What a time to be alive!

I really thought 8% interest rates were going to put a damper on the boatflation but doesn't seem to make much difference.

The coming year will be the tell tale sign… my local dealer has boats still for sale he had back in February and march… Supra has supposedly upped their rebates to 20k now. Imo the boat industry will see a slow.

[Mobius22]

10% Msrp increase… ouch 🤯

It went up but we added a TON of stuff. It's not free unfortunately. Other brands added nothing and still went up :)

[MJHSupra]

I really thought 8% interest rates were going to put a damper on the boatflation but doesn't seem to make much difference.

I think a little time will tell. I talked to some people at the Supra/Moomba event at Norris this past weekend that get a new boat every-year or every-other year. They are really rethinking now b/c there is a pretty good monthly payment jump b/c of rates they locked in from a 1-2 years ago VS the current interest rates. All are happy with their current boats, but like to trade to get something new or a different model.

We will see b/c there is also a difference in what say vs what they do. Plus, as always, it depends what market you are in.

[MJHSupra]

I was on the new 2024 SE at the Norris event. I really liked the boat. Zach at Premier always does a wild Gator pattern each year. The swim step was a cool feature.

I really like the pics of the new SV, but have not seen one yet or been on one. That smaller boat is the least produced model in the Supra line. I'm betting this will pickup those build numbers. I imagine peeps will be looking at the final prices of SV vs SA and think: should I spend a little more $ to jump to the SA model?

[MJHSupra]

We are hoping our new SE arrives next week! Will provide some reviews on the new features. Another thing I noticed is the weight on each Model is up 250-300lbs. Must be from the extra audio stuff

What colors did you go with?

[mjb929rr]

What colors did you go with?

We did Brittany blue flake with the rest white, white tower with black accents. Black interior with just white accents. The floor we went with the shark fin laser 3 color. Complete change from our current sl which is raspberry and black with tan interior

[larry_arizona]

It's the interest rates that are the killer.

For me to jump into a 24 from a 21 would double my payment. 60% of the increase is interest alone.


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[mgswake]

I think a little time will tell. I talked to some people at the Supra/Moomba event at Norris this past weekend that get a new boat every-year or every-other year. They are really rethinking now b/c there is a pretty good monthly payment jump b/c of rates they locked in from a 1-2 years ago VS the current interest rates. All are happy with their current boats, but like to trade to get something new or a different model.

We will see b/c there is also a difference in what say vs what they do. Plus, as always, it depends what market you are in.

I have a 2023 and it does everything I need and more. It is cool to see SC innovating and adding new features, but to me the prices have gotten way out of hand. That's just my opinion. We are very lucky financially, but personally I can't justify the upgrade at this point. It's not going to improve my riding. Maybe I will see what the market does in a few years and get a nice used boat or a stock leftover if I really feel the need to upgrade.

People that upgrade every one to two years and never intend to pay off the boat, are they essentially just looking at it as a lease? That's basically what they are doing.

[mgswake]

It's the interest rates that are the killer.

For me to jump into a 24 from a 21 would double my payment. 60% of the increase is interest alone.


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You would think that is going to have an effect on sales sooner or later. At some point, the interest will just drive the monthly payment too high for most people.

[larry_arizona]

I have a 2023 and it does everything I need and more. It is cool to see SC innovating and adding new features, but to me the prices have gotten way out of hand. That's just my opinion. We are very lucky financially, but personally I can't justify the upgrade at this point. It's not going to improve my riding. Maybe I will see what the market does in a few years and get a nice used boat or a stock leftover if I really feel the need to upgrade.

People that upgrade every one to two years and never intend to pay off the boat, are they essentially just looking at it as a lease? That's basically what they are doing.

I absolutely treat my boat as a lease. At my age/family situation this was a 5-7 year adventure, never intended to own this boat for 20 years.


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[Yzfguy06]

It went up but we added a TON of stuff. It's not free unfortunately. Other brands added nothing and still went up :)

Is there a list somewhere of what was added or improved? I see the sv has more ballast and more weight than the sa. The sa looks like it’s the lightest boat in the lineup now.

[mjb929rr]

I absolutely treat my boat as a lease. At my age/family situation this was a 5-7 year adventure, never intended to own this boat for 20 years.


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Our small town bank only will do 60 month terms on any “toys”. With that being said trading every couple years is doable if you can swallow the payment.

[mgswake]

Our small town bank only will do 60 month terms on any “toys”. With that being said trading every couple years is doable if you can swallow the payment.

I am in South Carolina and found a credit union in Minnesota with the best terms at the time. And there are a few nationwide companies that give decent rates. I know a lot of people have used Essex/bank of the west.

[smitty75]

I am in South Carolina and found a credit union in Minnesota with the best terms at the time. And there are a few nationwide companies that give decent rates. I know a lot of people have used Essex/bank of the west.

Do you know what credit union it was in Minnesota?


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[MJHSupra]

Is there a list somewhere of what was added or improved? I see the sv has more ballast and more weight than the sa. The sa looks like it’s the lightest boat in the lineup now.

From what Drew said and posted, all the options are on all boats. I did not read SV was an exception.

SV is listed as 3800 ballast.
SA is listed ad 3500 ballast.

SV is listed as 7600 weight with trailer.
SA is listed ad 7700 weight with trailer.

From the previous post:

New features on the 2024s

New Model SV (21'10")
New Audio (18 speakers and 5 amps standard with 3 industry first designs)
New Tower (Clamping racks, surf tow points, battery switch and bimini standard)
New Dash
New Windshield
New Electric Steering option
New Dropstep Platform Option
Dynamic Driver's Seat - Moves up and down with the pitch of the boat for visibility
4 New Gelcoats
Integrated Driver's Seat switches (moved the buttons on the side, instead of on screen)
Larger Rudder
New High Output Thrusters
Rudder Indicator on Dash

and I'm probably forgetting some stuff too... it's alot and really the only things you add are Tower Speakers, cover and whatever lights you might want and you're done. Obviously, you can load it, but the base price is loaded too for what is included

[MJHSupra]

How about that SV with the 575 option? That's cool if you want it.

[larry_arizona]

I think the SV will sell well, I got to imagine the SA is next for a redesign next year if we are following the 4-5 year design cycle.

Thrusters
Electric steering
Extra audio
Power step
Engines
Lighting
Trailer electric brakes
Trailer 18" upgrade
Top gatorstep option

All are not cheap options.

Are the flip up transom seats standard now?

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[mjb929rr]

Flip up seats are still an option for 24. I didn’t do do electric steering or the powered swim step. Those were each close to 3k a piece

[larry_arizona]

Point is, a lot of new features are new/standard, but it's not hard to add $30k+ in options


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[mjb929rr]

Options add up quick. Hard to believe costs
Our last few boats
2008 Supra 21v. 49k
2020 sl450 msrp 168
2022 sl550 msrp 231
2024 se550 msrp 294

Our dealer has sale prices on 2023 moomba makai for 156, quite a bit more than we paid for our 20 sl.

[larry_arizona]

Options add up quick. Hard to believe costs
Our last few boats
2008 Supra 21v. 49k
2020 sl450 msrp 168
2022 sl550 msrp 231
2024 se550 msrp 294

Our dealer has sale prices on 2023 moomba makai for 156, quite a bit more than we paid for our 20 sl.

$68k in options with a few boxes unchecked. Looks like you can get the SE into the low $300's


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[mgswake]

Do you know what credit union it was in Minnesota?


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Sent you a PM with some info. It was Affinity Plus Federal Credit Union

[mgswake]

The swim step looks awesome, but we added a retractable ladder that works great. Not quite as cool, but functional and way less expensive.

[Guppydriver]

$68k in options with a few boxes unchecked. Looks like you can get the SE into the low $300's


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Newly announced Paragon 25 rings at $461,746 starting..

JFC..

Just a big flex..

I thought I would "learn the ropes" with my MY21 MB B52, then upgrade to a Supra or Centurion, but I may be priced out of the market unless heavy discounting returns.

[MJHSupra]

Newly announced Paragon 25 rings at $461,746 starting..



Cha Ching . . . that sucks. Starting to sound like the Cig Boat market from years ago - prices for only the rich.

[Yzfguy06]

Cha Ching . . . that sucks. Starting to sound like the Cig Boat market from years ago - prices for only the rich.

I agree with that. Although Supra is getting out of control too.

[jnr4817]

It's ridiculous, somethings gotta give and when it does, enjoy the ride.

[sandm]

I agree with all that boats have gotten out of control, both top line and value...
Saw a comment on a 150k makai. seriously¿

OI is now over 5k and 40% show 2023 models with zero hours....
I don't think mc will be the only builder laying off and/or slowing production in the next year.

I don't think boats are the only market due for some changes.. saw this last friday while selling the camaro..https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230810/3a936628cd996307ff1f04a7a9839201.jpg

[Zog]

Newly announced Paragon 25 rings at $461,746 starting..

JFC..

Just a big flex..

I thought I would "learn the ropes" with my MY21 MB B52, then upgrade to a Supra or Centurion, but I may be priced out of the market unless heavy discounting returns.

Somebody on FB was asking Drew about comparing the audio of the new SV to the Paragon JL subs built into the hull. Drew's response is an all timer: "Try it out. It’s designed to be more of a surround sound theatre experience in the cockpit. You could also buy two Supras and put them beside eachother and I think it’ll be louder than the one Paragon for the same $ ��"

Lol!

[996scott]

Somebody on FB was asking Drew about comparing the audio of the new SV to the Paragon JL subs built into the hull. Drew's response is an all timer: "Try it out. It’s designed to be more of a surround sound theatre experience in the cockpit. You could also buy two Supras and put them beside eachother and I think it’ll be louder than the one Paragon for the same $ ��"

Lol!

LOL, that's pretty funny!!!

[Mxmark4]

I agree with all that boats have gotten out of control, both top line and value...
Saw a comment on a 150k makai. seriously¿

OI is now over 5k and 40% show 2023 models with zero hours....
I don't think mc will be the only builder laying off and/or slowing production in the next year.

I don't think boats are the only market due for some changes.. saw this last friday while selling the camaro..https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230810/3a936628cd996307ff1f04a7a9839201.jpg

Is that a black wing?

[HFarr]

They can take that 50K market adjustment charge and shovit straight up their a$$. That is exactly what I would tell them.

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[j.mo]

I’m not a Malibu guy at all, but all of those 22-23 23LSV’s I see in the 120-130k range are tempting.

I see a “softening” in all things, but believe - the luxury goods market is still very strong.
I’m also into watches and have a fair collection. Again, a “softening” of prices, but $30-60k watches are still selling, very strongly. I’m sure the paragons will be as well.

I was at hot August nights in reno trying to bid on a few investment grade mopars at the auction a few days ago. I will tell you there is a disparity in what sellers believe their vehicles are worth, and what bidders are willing to pay. Many no sales.

I don’t think we will see a huge correction in most anything like people are hoping for, but a softening, sure.
I think If anything we are just going to see credit tightness forcing sales lower. Americans don’t give a sh!t what it costs as long as they can get financing for it lol.


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[mjb929rr]

I made some calls before securing our 24 SE build. I found 2- loaded out 2023 nautique g23s at a dealer in Utah. They sent me their build sheets. Both msrp were between 330-336k. They were willing to deal on either one out the door at 250-256k. Seemed like great deals. I was tempted but we weren’t a huge fan of the color schemes and I believe the Supra wave is as good or better

[Holdmybeer]

Is that a black wing?

Pretty sure that is an Escalade V. And that $50k market adjustment certifies that will be the last 1 the dealer gets if reported to GM.

[sandm]

Pretty sure that is an Escalade V. And that $50k market adjustment certifies that will be the last 1 the dealer gets if reported to GM. Half the caddys I looked at had at least a 10k market adjustment on them and the chevy dealer across the street has had them since 2021 on vettes and Silverados.
Ford has them on gt350/500s and last time the hyundai was getting the oil changed, all the N-series had 5 or 10k.
Here in sin city, it's "normal" to see market adjustments on even entry cars since 2021.

[mgswake]

I was going to ask Drew if that was a verbal contract? I bet it wouldn’t be hard to price 2 Supras under 1 paragon, but doubt you could get 2 fully optioned SL or SE for less than one paragon. I get that it was a basically a joke, and mostly true. I’m just being overly critical haha.

Also, the prices are out of hand. I’ll be riding my’23 for years to come unless there is some market change

[haknslash]

While picking up my Max from the dealer Saturday I took short video clips of a 2924 SL450 in the new slate blue color. Love all the new updates they did for 2024!


https://youtu.be/bNF_dOLGxFo

[Tommy2slow]

I like Supra’s answer for the integrated step on the swim platform. A Malibu M220 pulled the Provincial Championship this weekend that my son competed in. It had the integrated flip down step and the wakeboard ropes were catching on it all the time.

[SONIC]

What's the sub setup on the 24s?

[SONIC]

While picking up my Max from the dealer Saturday I took short video clips of a 2924 SL450 in the new slate blue color. Love all the new updates they did for 2024!


https://youtu.be/bNF_dOLGxFo

Looks easy enough to replicate that step. may be a fun project.

[larry_arizona]

What's the sub setup on the 24s?

2 12" subs


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[mjb929rr]

They also have a built in wash down to clean up the floor etc.

[cucv]

They also have a built in wash down to clean up the floor etc.Do you know if it's heated? I feel like I haven't seen the heated shower option on the newer wake boats. Great for preheating the wetsuits and warming up cold hands and feet..

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[haknslash]

Do you know if it's heated? I feel like I haven't seen the heated shower option on the newer wake boats. Great for preheating the wetsuits and warming up cold hands and feet..

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I don’t think it’s heated. It is raw water fed, but that would be neat if it was or could be heated for prewarming suits. Cool idea!

[Tommy2slow]

Do you know if it's heated? I feel like I haven't seen the heated shower option on the newer wake boats. Great for preheating the wetsuits and warming up cold hands and feet..

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I have a heated wash down in my Mastercraft and it works great. It actually extends our short season, filling our wetsuit with the warm water, by a couple of weeks. It also is nice when having to put on a cold wet vest! My MC is a raw water cooling system so it works great. I looked into adding one for the Moomba but didn’t do it as I was told that the closed cooling system that it employs doesn’t heat the water much.

[larry_arizona]

I don’t think it’s heated. It is raw water fed, but that would be neat if it was or could be heated for prewarming suits. Cool idea!

So where is the water source for the in boat wash down?

Do you just hook a garden hose to the boat?


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[mjb929rr]

It pumps it directly from the lake into a coiled hose with a nozzle on it

[haknslash]

So where is the water source for the in boat wash down?

Do you just hook a garden hose to the boat?


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Detachable hose comes with it and it connects inside the cockpit. I imagine the setup is similar to a ballast pump, where the is a thru hull fitting in the bottom of the boat and a pump that draws the water in. I should have looked under the boat while I was there lol. I’m sure Drew or one of the other factory guys can chime in with specifics.

[larry_arizona]

Thanks for the verification, not sure I want to wash down my boat floor with lake water, but I could see if someone spilled a beer etc.

A 5 gallon clean water tank would be nice??


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[HFarr]

After having owned a Crownline with two washdown stations on it (it also had a sink on it too) that were fed from a 15 gallon fresh water storage tank, I dont think I would like going to a lake water fed system. I know not all lakes are created equal, but the lake I am on tends to have a lot of fine dirt always stirred up in it, so spraying that in the boat can leave a film. I could use the washdown in my old boat to clean the inside. I wouldn't do that with lake water. With all the storage space on the Supra, I would think a location for a fresh water storage tank could be found somewhere. It would be a really "supra" nice feature then.

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[HFarr]

Thanks for the verification, not sure I want to wash down my boat floor with lake water, but I could see if someone spilled a beer etc.

A 5 gallon clean water tank would be nice??


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[MJHSupra]

I like Supra’s answer for the integrated step on the swim platform. A Malibu M220 pulled the Provincial Championship this weekend that my son competed in. It had the integrated flip down step and the wakeboard ropes were catching on it all the time.

I was on a 26 LSV this summer and the ropes caught on that all day too.

[larry_arizona]

I was on a 26 LSV this summer and the ropes caught on that all day too.

That would beyond piss me off.


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[Holdmybeer]

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If they had a fresh water tank for wash down it then could be heated. Adds to winterizing but for what these cost it wouldn't be a bad idea. Maybe even add the tower mister like some of the BUs have.

[haknslash]

Thanks for the verification, not sure I want to wash down my boat floor with lake water, but I could see if someone spilled a beer etc.

A 5 gallon clean water tank would be nice??


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I would prefer a dedicated reservoir tank to hold my own water. Not sure how it is around the nation but some lakes and temps there have been traces of listeria bacteria. You don’t want to willingly spray that water on food or drinks you’re ingesting as that is how you can get sick from it. Of course taking a rough spill or wipeout can also lead to ingesting lake water (been there lol). Either way I wonder how the pump is situated and if one could fab in a tank instead of pull from lake water. I’ve thought about adding misters to my tower with a very cheap and simple system but would of course use a tank with fresh drinking water each outing rather than toss a pump over the side like a tsunami ballast pump.

[haknslash]

Here’s a good picture of the wash down hose attachment and second sub location Drew posted on FB.

https://i.imgur.com/niUPMD0.jpg

There’s also this video by Marine Products that shows the hose too. BTW love this SV colorway! Real close to how I spec’s one out on the builder except went with dark graphite instead of black.


https://youtu.be/VmOfkTcf3L4

[mgswake]

Has anyone been on a 2024 yet? What were your thoughts on the aesthetics of the tower speakers? I like the look of the housing, but not a big fan of the mesh grill. Just my opinion from pictures. Can't wait to see a 2024 in person.

Also, when will the SA get the bow seat back/wind screen? I would have probably gone SA over SL if that was available on the SA. The SE, SL, SV all have it. Will be nice when they redo the SA (2025?) and add that on.

Love the locker on the SV, that's really neat.

[MJHSupra]

Has anyone been on a 2024 yet? What were your thoughts on the aesthetics of the tower speakers? I like the look of the housing, but not a big fan of the mesh grill. Just my opinion from pictures. Can't wait to see a 2024 in person.

Also, when will the SA get the bow seat back/wind screen? I would have probably gone SA over SL if that was available on the SA. The SE, SL, SV all have it. Will be nice when they redo the SA (2025?) and add that on.

Love the locker on the SV, that's really neat.

I've been on the 2024 SE. Per the tower speakers, it will probably take me some time to get used to. I was a big fan of the JL audio system, so the surround sound marketing of this did not really interest me in the first place. I get the fact that others are looking for the latest/greatest in audio components and other wake brands are upgrading these audio systems.

Did it sound good - yes. But so did the JLs on my SL - my only current issue was wanting more or better bass. I did not get to ride at wakeboard length and listen to the new system, but it was loud, and clear.

[haknslash]

Has anyone been on a 2024 yet? What were your thoughts on the aesthetics of the tower speakers? I like the look of the housing, but not a big fan of the mesh grill. Just my opinion from pictures. Can't wait to see a 2024 in person.

Also, when will the SA get the bow seat back/wind screen? I would have probably gone SA over SL if that was available on the SA. The SE, SL, SV all have it. Will be nice when they redo the SA (2025?) and add that on.

Love the locker on the SV, that's really neat.

I’ve been on the 2024 but only inside the dealership. Have not been out on the water yet but will be doing so in a few weeks when they get their SV in. I like the look of the speakers, grill and all. I think they look better in person but I also understand not everyone will like them. I want to test out how Bubbles by Yosi Horikawa will sound on them since this new system is supposed to be all about surround sound and fidelity vs loudness. When I play Bubbles in my 2022 F150 with the 22 speakers the amount of surround is unreal! Hopefully that translates over in a open boat layout but we’ll see.

[mjb929rr]

Has anyone been on a 2024 yet? What were your thoughts on the aesthetics of the tower speakers? I like the look of the housing, but not a big fan of the mesh grill. Just my opinion from pictures. Can't wait to see a 2024 in person.

Also, when will the SA get the bow seat back/wind screen? I would have probably gone SA over SL if that was available on the SA. The SE, SL, SV all have it. Will be nice when they redo the SA (2025?) and add that on.

Love the locker on the SV, that's really neat.

Currently have a weekend and 8 hours on our 24 se550. Was going to write a review on it but wanted to get a few more hours first. Stereo is immensely better than our 2022. The dash speakers and side tower speakers make all the difference. The actually tower speakers are much clearer at higher volumes as well. If you’re 6’2” or taller I believe you will be hitting your head if you’re not careful.
The bass is maybe 50% better than our sl was with the 2 Jl 12s. On our sl I added 2 additional 12s in boxes In the rear storage compartments. These were Rockford t1s powered by the largest wetsounds amp made. While the new boat doesn’t have as much bass as mine did with the extra 12s, I may not bother adding these in the new boat.

[Mobius22]

If you decide to write a review, can you post it on the facebook owner's group as well? Sounds like you have some good reference to review it against.

[haknslash]

Planning to demo this SV tomorrow….

https://i.imgur.com/5N3BL2E.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/rzfdDgr.jpg

[HFarr]

Just go ahead and buy it!

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[cucv]

Great looking boat, can't wait to hear how you like it.

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[haknslash]

Just go ahead and buy it!

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:D

It’s not really my style for colorway but it is sharp for a battlecruiser look. I’d be building a custom spearmint and dark graphite if it were mine. We’ll see how she performs with the 400.

https://i.imgur.com/wzRUXrm.png

https://i.imgur.com/Ac4WX2k.png

[Holdmybeer]

Hak....we all know how it goes. You demo it....wife loves the features....dealer makes you a deal on your Max.....new boat in the driveway next week.

All seriousness.....let us know how it goes, and have fun. I want to see those sweet videos you always make.

[haknslash]

Haha that is usually how it goes but these interest rates are nuts right now but the market is cooling so maybe discounts can offset some.

GoPro is charging as I type and meeting them on the lake at 10am. I’ll report back after the demo with thoughts on the boat and of course a video or two later on today or tomorrow.

[haknslash]

Just got finished with the demo. 2 things. I should have never demoed this boat and I shouldn’t have demoed a 4’6” Doomswell Falcon! Wave was unreal, audio was very impressive and the Falcon will be added to my quiver. Have a lot of video to go through and edit but I came away extremely impressed with the boat and I think Skiers a choice hit it out of the park with the SV. I never cared for the SC it replaced and I know not many people chose that boat but I can see this SV selling much better. I’ve ridden a 23 SL, 22 SA, and now the 24 SV and I can honestly say the SV put out a more powerful and firm wave than the SA or SV did! The wave midsection is so firm it is like concrete and it took all of my 225 lb fat ass to stand on my rear leg to drift back to the rear of the wave. The rear of the wave is not soft like I’ve felt on other boats which made recovering a breeze. I haven’t surfed in about a month and was sloppy making mistakes and I was surprised how easy it was to recover without much effort or pumping required. Just dig the edge and you were good. Hopefully the video comes out good and you guys get a good sense of the wave and what the boat can offer. We had 400 lbs of lead in the rear lockers since it was just 1 person driving the boat and we did not mess with much settings amd the boat just worked great! Would love to see what I could do with fine tuning the wave for a few hours but overall stock this boat would perform great out of the box, lead or no lead.

[Holdmybeer]

Saw the pics in the other thread.

No thrusters...at that size probably not needed but was hoping you could mess around with the "new version".

How was the swim platform extension? I love the concept but hate it is another powered thing that could fail. Wondering, is there is a bypass to manually lock it at home so you can still enjoy the day if a failure occurs?

[haknslash]

Only time we used the swim platform step was when docked just checking it out. I would definitely use it if chilling in the cove though. I wished there were cup holders on the swim platform integrated with the grab handle cutout and I’m not sure a short person would be able to touch the swim step switches if their in the water but I do like the new option. You could always not option a boat with it and then add a traditional telescoping ladder if you’re worried about electronics and new tech. I totally get it and it is one more thing to worry about failing.

[haknslash]

Here’s some 4K teaser footage while I edit the actual review video.


https://youtu.be/07nW_nuRkl4?si=aazk_jaARmQqbdcg

[mgswake]

I wonder how the wakeboard wake is? I know a lot of Nautique owners state the G21 wake is actually a better wakeboard wake than the G21, a bit more vert. I wonder if the SV would be a little more narrow or verty, given the shorter length. Would be interesting to see. Great looking boat!

[larry_arizona]

Great looking SV Hak, the mint is growing on me.

Regular wave needs some tuning to clean up the face, but looks strong for light crew and 400# lead.

SL and SV are cab forward traditional bow
SE and SE are cab rearward fork bow.

I am excited to see the Gen 4 SA next year.


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[haknslash]

Great looking SV Hak, the mint is growing on me.

Regular wave needs some tuning to clean up the face, but looks strong for light crew and 400# lead.

SL and SV are cab forward traditional bow
SE and SE are cab rearward fork bow.

I am excited to see the Gen 4 SA next year.


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Yea with a little time tuning the wave could definitely be improved but it is for sure strong with minimal setup. One strange thing we did encounter, and this may have been because we were on a river with current, but the wave going upstream created these “buckets” of water ripples that would form on the top of the wave and they would dump onto your ankles before the curl breaking out back. Imagine a conveyor belt of buckets of water. It was strange for sure! I’m not sure if that was just because of how we had the lead all rear biased, or going against the current, tab setting, or a combo of it all. Going downstream the wave was much more consistent and didn’t have those heavy water bucket ripples that would form. Kind of hard to explain but I’m editing a full length video that you will be able to see it happen.

Inside the cockpit it feels like a baby SL, and just a hair smaller feeling than an SA. Few inches in the bow and a few inches in the cockpit. Swim deck, surf locker and aft all feel the same size to me, aside from an SE maybe. I would have optioned for the flip-up backrests if this were my spec. I’m not sure thrusters would be required on this boat as it seemed to pivot nicely, but new HO thrusters would be a cool option to have if you wanted to splurge. The bigger the boat the more thrusters would be beneficial of course.

Trying to decide what to do with this video since I’m trying to let it flow natural with the conversations going over details about the boat. It’s like 18 minutes long now but I’m thinking of splitting it into two parts. One being interior, audio, etc and the other being just surf footage. Nobody likes to sit through long videos no matter how informative they may be lol. Really digging this boat though!

[HFarr]

Interior and exterior/surf videos make since.

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[haknslash]

Hey guys, below is the SV video footage from the demo. I split it into 2 parts for the interior and audio and then the surf footage. No music or dubbed narration in this video. Just the raw conversations edited together to cover most of what people may want to know about the boat. I am still without a PC so I’m limited on my editing and have to do this through my phone these days lol.

I didn’t do a good job of showing the ”smartseat” feature but it is really cool. It automatically raises and lowers the seat for you based on bow attitude and possibly speed. It was changing on its own as I was just driving down the lake at various speeds and pitches. Really cool and between the power set presets, there really is no need to use the bolster now IMO. Wished I would have showcased that in the video.

The DSD audio is as advertised / hyped IMO. Very clear, very loud, and more importantly lots of surround sound. I couldn’t find a bad spot for music. The enclosed speakers really do offer a better tone and response versus just hanging in air. The way the sound projects from the dash and windshield was a nice fill. Subs were plenty strong for bass and I didn’t hear any rattles, unlike my Max dash does when the bass hits.

Interior space is very close to an SA in the cockpit area. A little shorter in the bow and main cockpit but doesn’t feel cramped at all. It feels bigger than 21’ 10”. I think you could fit 10 people plus all their gear comfortably.

400 engine felt strong at seal level. I’m not sure what prop was spec’d on this boat but it pulled hard out of the hole and plenty of midrange without ballast. When we filled it up for surfing we also had 400 lbs of lead in the rear lockers and the engine had no issues getting to surf speed. Granted it was only one person in the boat.

Swim step is cool but we did not use it since we weren’t chilling in a cove. I do think adding some lights to let you know when it’s fully deployed ir restricted would be ideal at the switch on the transom.

This boat didn’t have the new HO thrusters, so I was not able to play with them. Not sure it’s needed on this length of boat as it seemed to pivot fine and better than my Max.

This boat also didn’t have the flip up seats on the swim pad. I would definitely option a boat with those on my next build. The surf locker and swim pad area large and feel the same size as SA or SL. I couldn’t tell much of a difference there but maybe there is some slight dimension differences there.

Part 1 video - Interior details and audio…


https://youtu.be/dHPUU9MQDu8?si=JN9k2cF2T9fEESlP

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Part 2 video - surf wave


https://youtu.be/rjyEXEb_cWk?si=P2VTy6C7lyaKKGHu

[Mobius22]

Great stuff! Glad you liked it!

[haknslash]

Yessir had a great time in it. My legs are still sore so that should tell you something!! :D

BTW I forgot to mention but we were on Lay Lake which isn’t deep, so expect the wave to be ever better in deeper water. I think on average we were in 22’ of water.

[HFarr]

LOL! I am lucky if we are in water that deep most of the time!

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[cucv]

@haknslash thanks for taking the time to share the videos. Back end recovery looks almost effortless on that wave, I need to figure out how to get there on my Mojo. Do you recall your pitch, roll and rpms at surf speed? I laughed at your comment on checking pitch and roll on your Max and just knowing what the boat likes, it's on one of the main screens on my 23.

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[haknslash]

@haknslash thanks for taking the time to share the videos. Back end recovery looks almost effortless on that wave, I need to figure out how to get there on my Mojo. Do you recall your pitch, roll and rpms at surf speed? I laughed at your comment on checking pitch and roll on your Max and just knowing what the boat likes, it's on one of the main screens on my 23.

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It truly was effortless to recover!! I was riding in stock Future fins too on the Neo and Falcon. Usually to feel that kind of drive, I’d be riding something like my Neo with Chaos fins. Wave was legit! Y’all with the newer screens are lucky! Sucks having to toggle on the smaller screen lol.

[haknslash]

I just these videos on the Facebook group but I also added some thoughts on the SV. I’ll paste them below. Caution, it’s a wall of text lol.



As you may have read in my other SV posts, I came away really impressed with this new model. I think it’s light years better than the SC which was thei smallest model Supra offered. It is a baby SL, but it doesn’t feel small inside and for those that don’t have huge crews I think this boat will be plenty. Feels slightly smaller than an SA inside and mainly seems to be in the bow and cockpit area. From the sun pad back it seemed the same size as others Supra’s. Surf locker is large enough to hold 3 or so skim boards. Sadly I forgot to film inside the compartments but it had nice storage space.


The new master battery switch inside the door a strange thing to look at compared to traditional switches you’re accustomed to. Probably has something to do with the tower being your On / Off battery switch. Think of the tower switch like a remote I guess.


DSD audio is no joke amd sounded great! I’ve been in the previous JL boats and they rock, but the DSD rocks too but seemed to be very clear and the surround sound effect having speakers everywhere really does fill the cockpit unlike anything else I’ve heard for stock stereo systems on other boats. Personally, I dig the look of them, right down to the grills. Zero rattles. Just big sound all around and each zone is able to be controlled.


The rudder indicator is a nice touch, especially for new vdrive owners, but even seasoned folks will appreciate always knowing where your rudder is. You know how it goes when launching after retrieving sometimes ��


The Smartseat feature is badass! I sadly didn’t get any video of it in action but trust me it’s awesome having your seat automatically adjust based on the bow (and maybe speed is a factor to?)! The new dash, screens, and interface are all slick and felt super premium.


Ride quality was great. It was a flat day but it handled the slight occasional wind chop and going against the current fine. I’d like to test this boat out again on my home base Lake Martin, which can get snotty like an ocean. That would be a much better test to how the boat can handle rougher waters. I was a little worried of dipping the bow on the rollers when turning back to pick up the surfer but never had an issue. I think my Max has more freeboard, or at least feels that way, and it’s never an issue with getting water in the bow.


Exterior styling, um .....it’s sexy AF! It has a great stance on the water! We didn’t use the new swim step but ve played with it at the dealership. We would option our boat with one for sure. New tower is badass and looks more modern. I love the design of the tower boxes compared to cans. Bimini had plenty of shade as well. Putting the bimini boot on looked a little tricky see you have to feed it around the tower speaker boxes though. I like the phenderpro’s are standard and in the right places. Not sure if the GoPro surf mounts down by the swim step are new or not, but i would like to try those out next time.


Boat has the 400 and we are at sea level. It seemed well matched for the boat. Not sure what prop was on it but it had good holes hot when empty and good midrange. If at altitude or with a medium to Max sized crew you may want to opt for the 450 or 550 just because this boat is heavy. It did not feel sluggish at all and coming from my Max, it felt much more sporty. We had 400 lbs of lead and it didn’t have issues getting to surf speeds fully ballast, however we were a light crew. Again, the prop seemed well matched, whatever version it was.


Boat did not have the new HO thrusters, but I don’t think thrusters are a must have on this size boat as it seemed to pivot fine while docking or returning to pick up the surfer. Of course the new thrusters would have been fun to play with. If I’m building one, I’m going to spec the thrusters either way just due to how snotty our lake can get.


The surf wave was very firm and had plenty of power front to back. It was not soft at all and my legs hurt for a few days, not kidding ��. some boats can feel soft but not this one and we didn’t even play with the settings other than fill, and had 400 lbs of lead distributed in the rear and surf lockers. The wave wasn’t as long or tall as my dialed in Max wave even though total displacement is around the same I think considering I had a lighter boat but I have much more total ballast.


The shape of a Supra wave is definitely signature and different than a Moomba wave. Definitely has that Supra shape. I’ve ridden newer SA’s and SL’s and to me, the SV packs a firmer wave out of the box. Not trying to be biased or just hyped because it’s the newest thing either. I shoot it straight lol. Yea we did have some lead, but it was only 1 person in the boat driving, so to be fair 400 lbs is likely what everyone would have one way or the other. I think part of the reason why the wave may feel better is because the SV is shorter but also weighs more than an SA. The wave is maybe a hair shorter but feels much, much, more powerful. You will have to demo the boat and see for yourself! I’d love to borrow this boat for a day and dial in the wave as much as possible because if out of the box plus a little lead is any indicator, this boat will be able to make a really amazing wave! I need some more ride time behind one.


I surfed with a 5’ Neo and a 4’6” Falcon and both boards had a ton of speed on this wave and effortless recovery. The wave just has a ton of power back there that recovery takes no time and minimal pumping, if at all. I was able to recover just by locking in the edge and off I went. The wave is really, really good in terms of power and firmness.


We surfed at 11.4, 11.6 amd 11.8 mph. Surf tab was 75 and center tab was 25. With those plate settings, the wave cleaned up best round 11.4 to 11.6 mph. At higher speeds we would have needed to play with the tags to clean up the lip a little. Hoping to get another demo once the boat returns to Lake Martin so I can play with the setup in more detail.


One thing I noticed is the surf wave seemed to take a little while to form compared to my Max, which develops very quickly. It wasn’t a big deal, just seemed strange. Maybe the tabs are doing something when we stop other than the center tab? Idk but it would finally produce a nice wave. You’ll see in the video. I don’t recall it taking as long on the SA or SL but it has been a while since I’ve been on them, so maybe this is just a Swell vs Flow thing.


Overall, really impressed with the boat and I think folks will like it! Go demo one and I think you’ll be impressed too. It packs a big punch for the smallest size boat Supra offers!

[fdawg2k3]

Half the caddys I looked at had at least a 10k market adjustment on them and the chevy dealer across the street has had them since 2021 on vettes and Silverados.
Ford has them on gt350/500s and last time the hyundai was getting the oil changed, all the N-series had 5 or 10k.
Here in sin city, it's "normal" to see market adjustments on even entry cars since 2021.
ford raptor owner here, people paying $50k+ for the R model in dealer markups, and STILL can't find one available.

[Hayden]

Thanks for the review Hak!

[haknslash]

Thanks for the review Hak!

Yessir, happy to share.