2023 Boat Shows

[MJHSupra]

Now we are cruising into 2023 and the days are starting to get longer, boat show season is starting. Love a good boat show. Something about walking around looking at new boats/gadgets, drinking alcohol, shooting the crap with peeps that enjoy the hobby as much as you, planning what you are doing this summer, and thinking about how to work towards an upgraded whip.

I know Nashville is this weekend (Jan 5-8 ). Never been to that show. I assume it's OK, but there are more dealers and water around the Knoxville area.

Atlanta and Houston are later this month. Been to both of these shows and they are good for looking around. At least they were in the past (pre-Covid), so maybe the dealers will have some boats in stock to display.

Let's hear what you are see this year.

[Mxmark4]

Definitely going to the knoxville show, have never bothered with any of the others, had a good time last year, wont take the kids if I go this year. Fun to look at all the different boats up close, and see all the things I dont need but think I do after a few drinks.

[sandm]

do miss boat shows. we had some great times at the milwaukee show. crazy that with mead so close and every other convention known to the world here, we don't have a boat show at all...
always wanted to attend miami to look at how the 1%'ers spend their boating coin..

[Jon]

Nashville and Tulsa shows are this weekend. We will have factory representation at both shows to support our dealers. I, along with 2 others from the factory, will be in Nashville Saturday. Stop by and say hi if you are in the area!

[dyrmz134]

I'll be at the Charlotte, NC show on Feb 11th. Was a good one last year, I'll probably try to hunt down a new board.

[Holdmybeer]

Ohio shows kick off this weekend in Columbus, Cincinnati and Cleveland later in the month. Our shows don't compare to others where lakes are bigger. Mostly fishing boat, PWC, and pontoons coupled with RV sales. There will be a few vendors that sell water sport boats, but no sure if they have inventory to make a showing.

[MJHSupra]

Nashville and Tulsa shows are this weekend. We will have factory representation at both shows to support our dealers. I, along with 2 others from the factory, will be in Nashville Saturday. Stop by and say hi if you are in the area!

I noticed your booth on social media last night. Premier Watersports had some good space. Supra/Moomba looks to be taking a bigger posture in that area over the last few years. Good for you.

[MJHSupra]

Ohio shows kick off this weekend in Columbus, Cincinnati and Cleveland later in the month. Our shows don't compare to others where lakes are bigger. Mostly fishing boat, PWC, and pontoons coupled with RV sales. There will be a few vendors that sell water sport boats, but no sure if they have inventory to make a showing.

Back in the day, the Cleveland boat show at the IX Center was a fun show. Not so much for looking at wake boats, but for the bigger cruisers. I recall a good size section for looking at boating related vendors too. The big yachts like Silverton, Sea Ray, Trojan , Egg Harbor, etc. Plus, many runabouts I/Os - man did companies like SeaRay and Bayliner sell a lot of those boats (not putting them in the same build category).

$4-5 big beers, so the boys had a good time . . . probably tells you how long ago.

[mgswake]

The IX center is massive. I have been to a boat show and a sports show there. It closed down for a few years and there were talks of tearing the whole thing down. But, it got new ownership I believe somewhat recently and was able to remain open. I have some really cool memories of that place as well.

[Holdmybeer]

$4-5 big beers, so the boys had a good time . . . probably tells you how long ago.

This is the comment that shows your age...lmfao!
Same beer today is $10+....hahaha.....but I remember $4 beers also....good times.

[MJHSupra]

Noticed this on the Supra Instagram account.

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[MJHSupra]

They also put a nice list of the various boat show cities. Thanks SC.

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[Jon]

I'm in Detroit with Club Royale this weekend. Stop by and say hi.

[larry_arizona]

Club Royale are good peeps. Will try to make it down to the show.


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[mgswake]

Club Royale are good peeps. Will try to make it down to the show.


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Kind of sounds like a strip club!!

[larry_arizona]

Kind of sounds like a strip club!!

Yes it does, but technically it’s a boat dealer that also runs 2 boats clubs with dock slips and dry dock storage.

https://www.clubroyale.net


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[MJHSupra]

Kind of sounds like a strip club!!

I think that what happens if you cross the Detroit River and end up in Windsor, Canada.
Heard the "Ballet" is pretty good over there . . . . friend told me. Ha Ha

[larry_arizona]

Been 25-30 years since attending the Windsor Ballet, but it was better than the Detroit Ballet.

The only difference was clothing requirements. I think the law changed years ago where Detroit/Michigan is the same as Windsor now lol.

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[MJHSupra]

Been 25-30 years since attending the Windsor Ballet, but it was better than the Detroit Ballet.

The only difference was clothing requirements. I think the law changed years ago where Detroit/Michigan is the same as Windsor now lol.

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It's been 15-20 years for me too. Had some college buds that grew up in Rochester Hills and Grosse Pointe, so I attended a few bachelor parties in that area. Good times. Good peeps. Those hockey players could party hard.

[larry_arizona]

It's been 15-20 years for me too. Had some college buds that grew up in Rochester Hills and Grosse Pointe, so I attended a few bachelor parties in that area. Good times. Good peeps. Those hockey players could party hard.

Born and raised in Rochester Hills myself.


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[MJHSupra]

Some custom work at the ATL boat show posted on social media - not factory.

Looks killer!

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[MJHSupra]

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[Jon]

Big weekend for shows.......Minneapolis, Little Rock, Detroit, Milwaukee, Birmingham, Hartford, and Cincinnati. We'll have factory reps at most. I'll be in Cincinnati....if you are in the area stop by and say hi.

[MJHSupra]

Definitely in full swing.

Cincy - never been to it. Goes on multiple weekends. Betting lots of Norris Lake Vendors.

Glad the local dealer, Premier, will have a larger presence on Norris with their new location.


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[brad460]

I’ll be at the Milw show this weekend- Walking around in disbelief at how expensive boats have gotten..complaining I’ll never be able to buy a new boat again..lol

[sandm]

I’ll be at the Milw show this weekend- Walking around in disbelief at how expensive boats have gotten..complaining I’ll never be able to buy a new boat again..lol

haha.. so true. mke is the best boat show I have ever been to. loved spending an afternoon there. went a few years ago and they were having dog agility back in a corner. fun as heck to watch but never understood the boat/dog correlation. felt like someone accidentally double booked.

[HFarr]

Friend of mine went to the Atlanta show this past weekend and said the same about prices. He was looking more for large cruisers though, and he said they seemed a bit scarce to find now too. At Atlanta Anyway.

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[Max20]

Went to the Cincinnati show today. Saw an SL 450 for $196k and a Mojo for $126k obviously “boat show special” prices. Not sure what the thoughts are on pricing…. I saw too many to list but those stood out to me

[larry_arizona]

Went to the Cincinnati show today. Saw an SL 450 for $196k and a Mojo for $126k obviously “boat show special” prices. Not sure what the thoughts are on pricing…. I saw too many to list but those stood out to me

Prices are really high, but what stands out is dealers are FULL of inventory and offering “boat show” discounts.

Been a couple years since dealers had inventory.


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[Tommy2slow]

Today’s prices are outrageous. I bought my Mojo new in May 2020 and paid $110k CAD. Even with the “boat show price “ of $126k USD mentioned by Max20, that is more than a 60% price increase at today’s exchange rates! That’s nuts.

[mgswake]

Went to the Cincinnati show today. Saw an SL 450 for $196k and a Mojo for $126k obviously “boat show special” prices. Not sure what the thoughts are on pricing…. I saw too many to list but those stood out to me

Is that 196k for the SL the advertised price, or the actual price?

[MJHSupra]

Wow for a 450SL.

Someone just posted a 2023 SE with the 575, thrusters, triple trailer, and 5 hours for $195k. OnlyInboards. White/Silver Flake with the pecan interior - nice looking boat. West coast.


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[dyrmz134]

Today’s prices are outrageous. I bought my Mojo new in May 2020 and paid $110k CAD. Even with the “boat show price “ of $126k USD mentioned by Max20, that is more than a 60% price increase at today’s exchange rates! That’s nuts.

My boat has a 20k USD increase 2022 vs 2023. Same dealer, out the door price on both. And I think mine was a 20k increase over 2019.

[larry_arizona]

21-23 SA is nearly $40k increase for same content. Only difference is the updated table seat and screen config update.


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[HFarr]

Man all these price increases are making me feel soooo much better about me paying 97,000 out the door for my 2021 Makai and trailer! Which I bought brand new from the dealership, and he threw in a free H/L Shim and rope too. It was still hard for me to swallow that price back then, and I honestly did not like talking about it with most people ( non wakeboat type people) that asked how much it cost. They would look at me like I was bragging or just stupid to pay that much for a boat. But now! I am proud to say I got a deal! Of course I know I got lucky and hit the market literally days or weeks before it just went off the chain with price increases. And when I pull up beside a 22 or 23 model, you can't notice any differences.

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[MJHSupra]

The 195k and the 450 motor still surprises me. Last Oct someone was posting a 2022 SL 450 for $159 - black/graphite/blue. Pecan interion.

All the other SL owners that trade in each year said "that is too low". It still sat out there for a few months. I assume it eventually sold. I get that options are different - but that is 37k more with the same 450 motor. It was located on Lake Lanier.

[larry_arizona]

Lots of used boats are selling for more than paid when new. I am convinced this is all part of the wakeboat model.

Sell used boat without being upside down and buy a new boat.


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[cozilla]

There are a handful of SLs on Onlyinboards that I have been tracking in the 160-150k range. I got the price on a new SL 450 from my local dealer that was 232k MSRP but out the door around 191k. I think they have dropped the advertised price down to 220k now so a little cheaper... Is there a point to buy a new SL at that price when you can buy a used 2022 with under 100 hours for 30-40k less?

[mgswake]

Nautique paragons are over 400k now. I bet we’ll see a SE over 300k here in the near future. Can’t see prices on the builder, but with 550, thrusters, and most options that had to put you close.

I think it is manufacturer greed and 10-20 year loans driving the price increases. With supply chain and inflation playing a lesser role.

[larry_arizona]

There are a handful of SLs on Onlyinboards that I have been tracking in the 160-150k range. I got the price on a new SL 450 from my local dealer that was 232k MSRP but out the door around 191k. I think they have dropped the advertised price down to 220k now so a little cheaper... Is there a point to buy a new SL at that price when you can buy a used 2022 with under 100 hours for 30-40k less?

Ask yourself what you get for the extra $30k……there is your answer.


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[cozilla]

Ask yourself what you get for the extra $30k……there is your answer.


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Yep my thinking as well.

[mgswake]

I think 2022 SL400 140-145k, SL450 maybe 150-155k is what I would be looking at used. Some of those boats on onlyinboards are beautiful. For the price jump to a new one I would probably look used. A 2022 should still have 4 years of warranty

[MJHSupra]

Is there a point to buy a new SL at that price when you can buy a used 2022 with under 100 hours for 30-40k less?

Warranty is the only thing I can think of. If you buy new and plan on selling the boat in a few years, your warranty will transfer. If you buy a used one, you are the second owner, and any warranty will not transfer to the third owner.

The SL had the redo in 2022, so the hull or ballast is not different in 2023. Sometimes there might be computer changes (if necessary).

[MJHSupra]

I think 2022 SL400 140-145k, SL450 maybe 150-155k is what I would be looking at used.

I agree. I noticed more SL450s vs SL400s on the used market last fall. Most of the 450s were starting in the high-170s and not sure they were selling at that price point going into winter. Should be interesting to see next spring.

[larry_arizona]

Most 21 and 22’s came with 7 year powertrain warranty, 5 year bow to stern (although there are several things not included)

There can be quite a range on 21-22 Supras in price, 450 and thrusters are $9k options each.

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[sandm]

I think it is manufacturer greed and 10-20 year loans driving the price increases. With supply chain and inflation playing a lesser role.

agree 100%.
OI has gone up another 10% in the last 3 weeks and 2023 listings did as well. another interest rate hike next week should push loan rates a tick higher again.
all indicators are suggesting a market slowdown has started which will drive production cuts and larger discounts off msrp. I bet most boat builders have already talked production cuts in their staff meetings.

if I were in the market for a boat today, I'd sit out until august and see what happens. rent one several times during the summer instead of making payments. I think someone could save 10's of thousands...

housing and car prices have already started to drop.

[larry_arizona]

Interest rates are the killer right now. This will hurt more than the price hikes.


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[MJHSupra]

Because SC produces a lower number of boats, I assume this does not affect them as much as MC or BU.

[sandm]

Because SC produces a lower number of boats, I assume this does not affect them as much as MC or BU.

interesting question and thought. I would have said 'bu and mc since they have other lines targeted at different customers and different pricepoints where Skiers only caters to the towboat market.

[htfit]

I think it is manufacturer greed and 10-20 year loans driving the price increases.

Not sure about greed but Definetely the long term financing and low rates contributed to the crazy price increases.

No different than what financing did to college tuition and real estate.

When did 20 year financing become a thing for rec boats? My guess is 5 years ago it was not nearly available as it is now.

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[HFarr]

20 year financing has been around on bass boats for a long time. I know a few people around here that bought 70 thousand dollar bass boats 10 and 15 years ago, which was crazy high back then, and stretched out the payments like that to make it affordable for them.

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[MJHSupra]

When did 20 year financing become a thing for rec boats? My guess is 5 years ago it was not nearly available as it is now.

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Good question.

[brad460]

We took a 20 yr at 4% on our Max with 20%+ down. Main reason was to keep the payment lower so my wife wouldn’t get pissed I spent so much on a new boat. …I just told her the monthly payment, not the exact purchase price.

That being said, we make double/triple payments each month to pay it off quicker..

[MJHSupra]

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[JimLevin]

Warranty is the only thing I can think of. If you buy new and plan on selling the boat in a few years, your warranty will transfer. If you buy a used one, you are the second owner, and any warranty will not transfer to the third owner.

The SL had the redo in 2022, so the hull or ballast is not different in 2023. Sometimes there might be computer changes (if necessary).

The 2023 SL 400 we saw at a boat show was $219,970 msrp loaded out with stern turn, after discounts $184,450 with a 7 year power rain warranty, transferable. 2023 SE 450 was $237,140, after discounts $198,170 loaded out, with 7 year warranty. Side note, both sold at the show.

[JimLevin]

Prices are really high, but what stands out is dealers are FULL of inventory and offering “boat show” discounts.

Been a couple years since dealers had inventory.


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I can tell you this, according to the dealer I spoke with anyway, all of the moomba Makai 2023 build slots are sold out. If you want a custom boat, you’ll have to wait for a 2024 model, delivery in August 2023. If it matters.

[JimLevin]

agree 100%.
OI has gone up another 10% in the last 3 weeks and 2023 listings did as well. another interest rate hike next week should push loan rates a tick higher again.
all indicators are suggesting a market slowdown has started which will drive production cuts and larger discounts off msrp. I bet most boat builders have already talked production cuts in their staff meetings.

if I were in the market for a boat today, I'd sit out until august and see what happens. rent one several times during the summer instead of making payments. I think someone could save 10's of thousands...

housing and car prices have already started to drop.

As of today, 4,349 posts for sale on OI, still climbing

[HFarr]

Man! That price gap between Moomba and Supra seems to just keep growing! Sux!

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[JimLevin]

We took a 20 yr at 4% on our Max with 20%+ down. Main reason was to keep the payment lower so my wife wouldn’t get pissed I spent so much on a new boat. …I just told her the monthly payment, not the exact purchase price.

That being said, we make double/triple payments each month to pay it off quicker..

When was this and with what lender? If you don’t mind my asking

[MJHSupra]

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[brad460]

When was this and with what lender? If you don’t mind my asking

This was with US Bank back in Jan ‘21..

[mgswake]

Probably will be hard pressed to find anything under 6% in the current market. Check advertising on facebook groups, google search boat loans, and check local and national credit unions.

[dyrmz134]

Went to the boat show in Charlotte NC yesterday. Was great to see a bunch of new stuff and made me more ready to get back out on the water.

My wife's feedback was that the only boat worth the upgrade from what we have was the G25 Paragon we walked around on :rolleyes: . It was awesome though...

[MJHSupra]

Went to the boat show in Charlotte NC yesterday. Was great to see a bunch of new stuff and made me more ready to get back out on the water.

My wife's feedback was that the only boat worth the upgrade from what we have was the G25 Paragon we walked around on :rolleyes: . It was awesome though...Better than the Pavati? Haha.

The G23/G25s are pretty damn sweet.
Big jump in price from a Supra.

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[dyrmz134]

Better than the Pavati? Haha.

The G23/G25s are pretty damn sweet.
Big jump in price from a Supra.

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The boat show special was something ~320k from an MSRP of ~390k. About 200k more than my Moomba ha! The power engine hatch, dual rear subs, thrusters that work with the steering(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61O9ncodbd0) , and overall fit and finish were impressive.

[HFarr]

I have a friend that bought a 2022 Paragon. It has the Thruster Assist with the steering as well. He said that tends to over correct the turning and he doesn't like it. He keeps that turned off and just uses the thrusters in a manual fashion as needed.

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[MJHSupra]

The boat show special was something ~320k from an MSRP of ~390k. About 200k more than my Moomba ha! The power engine hatch, dual rear subs, thrusters that work with the steering(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61O9ncodbd0) , and overall fit and finish were impressive.

1 Moomba + 1 Supra = 1 G?

Yep, not too many negatives on the fit and finish.

The Thruster Assist looks easy from the video, but I guess that is what the video is designed for. Still waiting for my Paragon ride someday.

[cozilla]

Went to the boat show in Charlotte NC yesterday. Was great to see a bunch of new stuff and made me more ready to get back out on the water.

My wife's feedback was that the only boat worth the upgrade from what we have was the G25 Paragon we walked around on :rolleyes: . It was awesome though...

What were your thoughts on the blue SL? We liked it other than the flooring. Went Thursday and Sunday.

[dyrmz134]

1 Moomba + 1 Supra = 1 G?

Yep, not too many negatives on the fit and finish.

The Thruster Assist looks easy from the video, but I guess that is what the video is designed for. Still waiting for my Paragon ride someday.

The sales rep says if I like my boat not to ride in a paragon- ha!


What were your thoughts on the blue SL? We liked it other than the flooring. Went Thursday and Sunday.

I liked it! I think it would look great on the water.

[larry_arizona]

What were your thoughts on the blue SL? We liked it other than the flooring. Went Thursday and Sunday.

What floor did it have?


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[cozilla]

https://www.southtownwatersports.com/product/supra-sl450-2023-inventory-20290/
GatorStep Nonskid - 3 Color Laser, Toffee/Espresso/Black

Not terrible but kinda clashed with the solid blue gel and the pecan chill tech since it has a design that looks kinda like wood.

30759

[larry_arizona]

Ahh, I see what you mean, the black accents in thd floor throw it off a little.

Why would they only spec a single set of tower speakers?


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[MJHSupra]

I noticed the single set too . . . . .

What was the boat show price on the SL450?

[cozilla]

190k. I have seen more than a few optioned new with only one set of speakers.

[larry_arizona]

190k. I have seen more than a few optioned new with only one set of speakers.

Just not sure why?

It saves $2000, but if someone is spending $200k, I doubt they are worried about $2k and it's a PITA to add the second set on a Supra.




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[Mxmark4]

Just not sure why?

It saves $2000, but if someone is spending $200k, I doubt they are worried about $2k and it's a PITA to add the second set on a Supra.




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Shouldnt the tower be prewired for a second set already tho? Wouldnt they just have to get speakers and adapters for the tower?

[larry_arizona]

Shouldnt the tower be prewired for a second set already tho? Wouldnt they just have to get speakers and adapters for the tower?

The tower is pre-wired with connectors.

The speakers are Supra specific and can only get them from dealer due to the integrated mounting bracket and RGB LED and down lighting (not sure on cost).

Need a new amp and wiring from tower to amp.

Would need amp tuning.


All of this far more expensive than just getting them up front.

The FXone brackets for JL speakers is not available.


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[Holdmybeer]

With boat show season over in my area, I'm starting to receive emails from "local" dealers. Bu dealer is working hard on me. If the wife was weak like me, I would be posting my MOJO for sale.

Any thought guys? I have had a lot help on this forum so I value some opinions here.
2022 90%-95% optioned 23 LSV full 6 year warranty on everything...30% off msrp.

Only thing really stopping me is interest rates (and wife)....when did they go to 7.25%?

[larry_arizona]

With boat show season over in my area, I'm starting to receive emails from "local" dealers. Bu dealer is working hard on me. If the wife was weak like me, I would be posting my MOJO for sale.

Any thought guys? I have had a lot help on this forum so I value some opinions here.
2022 90%-95% optioned 23 LSV full 6 year warranty on everything...30% off msrp.

Only thing really stopping me is interest rates (and wife)....when did they go to 7.25%?

Bu makes really nice boats and 30% is a massive and very attractive discount even on a leftover 2022.

There is a reason why the bu 23 lsv is the best selling wakeboat for so many years. They make more lsv's per year than SC makes total moombas and Supras.

Never been on a bu, so can't help you on performance. But one thing I notice when I see them surfing on the lake is bow rise is insane (mastercraft too) and every driver is oddly standing.

But they are well optioned, surf wave looks strong out of the box and well priced. Bu is part of a BIG company and vertically integrated which makes them extremely competitively priced.

7.25% started last fall. Rates will only be going up I am afraid.


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[HFarr]

They do have a lot of bow rise. I think that is just how their system works. The Power Wedge they use is basically a dive plane that pulls the back of the boat down into the water. It makes an easy way to create a good wave though. Maybe they should come up with a smaller front mounted power wedge to pull the bow down too......Hey I want some patent commission on that Idea now that I hear it out loud!

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[larry_arizona]

Also Bu confuses me with multiple hull options on a lsv. Why can't one hull design work for surf and wake boarding like every other OEM.


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[sandm]

Any thought guys?

my cousin had 2 lsv's back from '15 to '18ish-both bought new. he absolutely hated them. said for the price the fit/finish looks good out of the gate but after 50hrs on the lake they both started to fall apart. he hated the bow rise and wakeboard wake would not clean up for his kids if you are running in the teens.
sold and bought a nautty gs22 and said it was night and day compared to the 'bu's. he did say that they both surfed very well stock.

personally I think bu succumbs to the investment community and will cut wherever possible. boutique builders like supra seem to have a better rep for longer term quality of materials.
my opinion anyway.

[mgswake]

Look at this deal on a MasterCraft X24!!!https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230219/1403f92f3690d875bef83f059a4fdee3.jpg


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[Mxmark4]

Look at this deal on a MasterCraft X24!!!https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230219/1403f92f3690d875bef83f059a4fdee3.jpg


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Value priced! I shopped a used 2019 Axis prior to getting my craz and interior quality is NOWHERE near a Moomba. As Far as wave goes, they get a great wave but bow rise has to be dealt with. I installed a taller seat post for my wife and she loved it. On Bu/Axis you cant do that because the seat mounts flat to the floor. Bow rise was the main reason we never even looked at a Mastercraft, they are worse than Bu. And the wedge while it adds and can really help fine tune a wave it is a huge fuel suck. The guys who have lsvs seem to rave about them. Apparently the 25lsv is quite the boat. But having not been on a Malibu since my 98 sunsetter, i cant tell you how they surf or ride or hold up. 30% off is a nice discount but probably still 140-150k?

[larry_arizona]

Mastercrafts are truly overpriced. My personal issues list....

Cons:
1) ugly towers, just can't get over them
2) klipsch audio is garbage.
3)bow rise is 12-13 deg.
4) they still use carpet for flooring
5) dock star was crap, finally switched to thruster

Pros:
1) interior is nice, seems high quality


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[cucv]

With boat show season over in my area, I'm starting to receive emails from "local" dealers. Bu dealer is working hard on me. If the wife was weak like me, I would be posting my MOJO for sale.

Any thought guys? I have had a lot help on this forum so I value some opinions here.
2022 90%-95% optioned 23 LSV full 6 year warranty on everything...30% off msrp.

Only thing really stopping me is interest rates (and wife)....when did they go to 7.25%?We fell in love with a Nautique S23 at the show. It was $184k at 20% off. If we could be at %30 off, I think we would buy it.

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[HFarr]

We fell in love with a Nautique S23 at the show. It was $184k at 20% off. If we could be at %30 off, I think we would buy it.

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[Holdmybeer]

Value priced! I shopped a used 2019 Axis prior to getting my craz and interior quality is NOWHERE near a Moomba. As Far as wave goes, they get a great wave but bow rise has to be dealt with. I installed a taller seat post for my wife and she loved it. On Bu/Axis you cant do that because the seat mounts flat to the floor. Bow rise was the main reason we never even looked at a Mastercraft, they are worse than Bu. And the wedge while it adds and can really help fine tune a wave it is a huge fuel suck. The guys who have lsvs seem to rave about them. Apparently the 25lsv is quite the boat. But having not been on a Malibu since my 98 sunsetter, i cant tell you how they surf or ride or hold up. 30% off is a nice discount but probably still 140-150k?

Youre dead correct on 23LSV price. $148k includes prep but not tax.
I'm not behind on my mojo so I could make enough to warrant a down payment but interest rates are my big stopper.
Current payment $500 new payment would be $1k. My season is 4 months at best....not sure I can justify that.

[larry_arizona]

I honestly can't believe a 2022 23lsv MSRP is $210k.

I would shop a low hour Supra.

Supra has more content/features at the less MSRP, you just won't get a 30% discount


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[Mxmark4]

Youre dead correct on 23LSV price. $148k includes prep but not tax.
I'm not behind on my mojo so I could make enough to warrant a down payment but interest rates are my big stopper.
Current payment $500 new payment would be $1k. My season is 4 months at best....not sure I can justify that.

I wont spend over 500/month on anything other than a house. Call me cheap but I can have a lot of fun on 500/mo. For 150k you could probably have a new or near new Supra like Larry says.

[HFarr]

This is where I bought my Moomba new. They have several used Supras for sale. A couple of SE models as well.

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[Holdmybeer]

I honestly can't believe a 2022 23lsv MSRP is $210k.

I would shop a low hour Supra.

Supra has more content/features at the less MSRP, you just won't get a 30% discount


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I have issues with all pricing right now TBH.
The $210k price point is the same as a new SL450. The fact BU dealer can offer 30% off and still make money is crazy. New Supra pricing is the same. $200k for SL450 with same competitive options...out the door price is $168k range...18% discount.

Im more siding with Mxmark4....the more I sit on it the more I will keep my mojo. Yeah, it's older but that $500 payment is 2 years old and only have 4 more years left...that $1k bill is 20yrs and that is ridiculous.

[KnoxMojo]

I wont spend over 500/month on anything other than a house. Call me cheap but I can have a lot of fun on 500/mo. For 150k you could probably have a new or near new Supra like Larry says.

I was like that with my first few wake boats and even the SA, longer term with lower payment. Then got tired of not seeing my balance drop much. When boat prices went nuts and I knew that we'd probably have this 1 a long time, I refinanced to a crazy low rate but 7 year term. Yes, the payment is steep, but a few more years and it'll be paid off. Lucky I did, inflation with prices and rates, couldn't even think about buying new again.

[mgswake]

We fell in love with a Nautique S23 at the show. It was $184k at 20% off. If we could be at %30 off, I think we would buy it.

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Just curious what made you fall in love with the S23? What tower did that boat have at the show?

I demo'd the S21 and S23 back in August of 2021 when they first came out and loved them. I actually had my checkbook at the second demo, but the dealer didn't give me numbers that day and instead emailed them to me later.

I loved how they drove and handled, I would say a good bit more maneuverable than my SL.

I had just moved from up north to South Carolina and the new dealer was only offering 8% where my old dealer would constantly offer 18-20% when I priced boats. So my well optioned S23 with underwater lights, telescoping tower, heater, heated seats, and courtesy lights was 212,000 MSRP, 192,000 sale price. 18-20% would have put me near 170,000-172,000. I would have bought the Nautique than and there for that price. I expressed that to the dealer and they basically laughed at me and said 192,000 and a 1,000 pro shop credit. Thus, I found the nearby Supra dealer and demo'd an SA and the rest is history.

A quick comparison:

Overall looks, personal preference but I think the less boxy lines of the Supra look cleaner.

Bow - The S23 does not have armrests or hinged bow seats. My SL has hinged seats and armrests. The wind screen/seat back on the SL is an amazing feature that I don't believe any other manufacturer has.

Cockpit - The S23 has one sub, Supra 2 subs. The helm seat is very similar, my Supra is power seat, I don't think the S23 is power. The Supra has 2 screens, the Nautiques have 1 unless you get a Paragon. I like the two screens so I can have my map up and other info on the other screen. The helm control dial on the Nautiques is a cool feature Supra doesn't have. The Supra has port and flip up seatback and fixed starboard seatback (which provides awesome area to store large trashcan and access if you put it in the cupholder which I did). The S23 has port and starboard flip up seatbacks. Also, the sliding seat on my Supra flips over for a table, S23 doesn't.

Cooler - Supra IN THE FLOOR, S23 under the starboard seat. I was on a boat this summer a Malibu MXZ 24 and we had 14 people on it. It was a pain having people get up and climb across each other to access the cooler. I'll take my in floor cooler any day on the Supra.

Transom - Supra has the seats on the sunpad with flip up backrests, S23 has them built lower into the transom. This is a personal preference and I like both designs. The S23 doesn't have the full locker on the back which the Supra does, I love this feature for storing surf boards and lake toys for my little ones. But the best use i s wet life jackets, they don't even make it into the boat!!

Towers - the telescoping tower is amazing on the S23. It was also a 25k option 1.5 years ago. But we got caught in a rain storm and lowered the tower and there were 7 of us and not a drop of water came in the cockpit area. I have heard you can tilt the Supra tower forward with the bimini deployed and protect some people in a Supra from rain. The Supra tower is definitely nicer than the non telescoping towers on the Nautique. I guess the telecoping tower vs the Supra tower woud be personal preference.

Personally, at the S23 prices I would buy a 2020 or newer used G23. You get so many more features. I started a thread on planetnautique about how I think the S series was mispriced. I think Nautique wants too much for that boat because like I mentioned you can get a 2-3 year old G (still under warranty) for very similar prinig to a new S series and the G will blow it out of the water in features. Just checked onlyinboards, 2 2020 G23 159,900. lowest 2021 179000.

I did like the wakeboard wake with the 100" beam. It was a bit narrower than my SL. It was probably the best wake I have ridden in a long time. I am still only 21 hours into my SL so I am still dialing the wakeboard wake in.

Honestly, if you were considering spending that kind of coin on a boat, I would recommend pricing Supra.

[cucv]

@mgswake thanks for your detailed response, I will surely read it several times and take notes.
We all use our boats differently so some things that are important to one are not to another but I appreciate the input from all on this forum as often there are thing we don't realize will be important to us.
We have a place on a lake so we don't spend the whole day on our boat. We ski off the dock and are on and off the dock all the time, so storage is not a huge factor for us.
We currently have a 05 Tige 22V with a DIY surf system (tabs and gates) that surfs excellent and we are really in the market for a Mojo. We demo'd a Mojo late last summer and really liked the boat. The Mojo was louder than our Tige and surf wave wasn't as good as our Tige but I know with some R+D it has lots of potential.
With the current interest rates, it makes things a bit more challenging, especially when it comes to a custom order boat vs. in stock.
I just squeezed in an 8'6' x 10' garage door on our existing 28' deep garage at the lake and stopped in to talk to the Nautique folk to review specs. on the Paragon for an additional garage bay, I'd like to try and put on the garage. I figure if I build it, maybe some day I could get a Paragon.
In discussions with the Factory rep we noticed the S23 and the boat just checked all the boxes and was exactly how we would custom order it. So the financing thing is simpler and the S23 fits in our existing garage bay.
When we demo'ed the Mojo we looked at the SL but at that point with minimal discounting it just didn't capture our attention. We did look at the SL at the show but the colors and how it was optioned was not right for us and they don't have anything in stock close to how we would order it.

Maneuverability: the factory rep also highlighted this point about the S23 as well as other handling points that I value vs the G boat.

Tower: The S23 had the standard tower which works for me and enables the boat to fit in my existing garage vs the G boat with telescoping tower (super cool but I don't need it.)

Bow: I tend to prefer traditional bow style and don't put a huge value on bow space. The SL backrest wind screen is super nice!

Cockpit: 1 sub is fine for us. Both seats are such an upgrade from our existing boat I don't get into that detail, but surely will, as a power seat would be a nice option. I don't put much value on the table, but the SL table is sweet.

Cooler: A cooler is not important to us, but yes, the subfloor cooler on the SL is better than one under seat.

Transom: We absolutely love the walk thru transom on the S23. We also love the full locker on the SL.

Tower: Our main criteria is ease of access to board the boat from the dock. I believe they both do this equally well, vs. other mfg's. I think I need to spend more time looking at the tower and Bimini options on both boats.

Engine: I found the Raptor engine on Mojo to be loud. I'm thinking the PCM in the S23 would be quieter, and the factory rep indicated it runs at lower rpm's than the G boat at surf speed. More research is to be done on this point.

The Nautique dealer has a location in town (lake house) but it's geared toward pontoon boats. The Nautique location is 12 miles away and on our way home from the lake. The Moomba/Supra Dealer is an hour away (lake house), can have significant traffic on that route, and is in the opposite direction from home.




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[mgswake]

@cucv

All good points. This forum tends to be more open to other brands than some of the other brand specific forums, but still tends to lean toward SC brands (Moomba and Supra). I probably would have been in an S23 if the dealer could work with me on pricing but I am not and I am very happy with my SL.

The engine noise is interesting. I have been on the S21, S23, and I own a Supra SL. I couldn't tell any difference in noise. I actually had a friend out wakeboarding and he commented on how quiet the engine was. His exact words were "all I could hear was water splashing". That was at wakeboard length about 65-70 feet. But that same friend rides I/O, malibu, and a few others for comparison.

The Supra have a noise dampening lining that I don't believe the Moomba's have, so that Mojo may have been louder.

You really should try to get the boat on the water and see if you like how it handles, drives, the wake and wave, the noise. If you can.

Also, if you are anywhere near Columbia SC, you are welcome to come ride on our SL for a day.

Can't go wrong with any of these boats they are all super nice.

[cucv]

Thanks for the offer, @mgswake. I'll surely look you up if I get in the area.

What are folks seeing for prices on SL's? The one I saw at the show was $174k but no thrusters.

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[cozilla]

@cucv $174k? Cheapest at our show was 190k. Would he interested to know what people are getting their new SLs for. Obviously options play a big part in the price.

[larry_arizona]

The sound deadening foam and surf pipe makes a huge difference in engine noise.

Very easy and cheap to add sound deadening foam panels.


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[MJHSupra]

@cucv $174k? Cheapest at our show was 190k. Would he interested to know what people are getting their new SLs for. Obviously options play a big part in the price.

True.

450 motor, thrusters, and being a repeat customer are big factors on comparing price.

[larry_arizona]

True.

450 motor, thrusters, and being a repeat customer are big factors on comparing price.

450 and thrusters = $20k


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[Mxmark4]

Boat show this weekend for Knoxville. Really only going to see if I can get a deal on an e foil. Love lookin at boats but the prices have gotten so crazy its almost like window shopping exotic cars

[HFarr]

Take lots of pictures for us!!

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[Mxmark4]

Saw a lot of good looking boats today. Nice g 25 paragon without a boat show price on it. Retail said 440k and it was sold. Not as many accessories available as I would have imagined, lots of dock builders there, tons of pontoons ended up buying a bunch of reef sandals @ 50% off. Other than that the only other boat I looked at the I really had any interest in was the new craz. But for now I dont think Im missing out too much on having a new boat. Was hoping for a better price on e foils. Supra prices all seemed in line with what most others are posting up. Most of the moombas seemed to be around 123k

[HFarr]

Paragon at 440! Wow. That's that's as stupidly priced as a Pavati.

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[HFarr]

When I bought my 2021 Moomba Makai, I could have bought 4 of them for that Paragon price. One for each kid and my wife!

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[MJHSupra]

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[MJHSupra]

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[MJHSupra]

440 MSRP
389 Boat Show Special or about that range

I assume it was a custom order that the dealer brought to show off. Just my guess. It did not appear anyone was allowed to board it.

It was sweet. That was the highest price wake boat I have been around.


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[mgswake]

Dealer on YouTube had a walk through.

425,000 not sure sale price or Msrp. Said 135,000 down payment and 2,000/month for 20 years. Ouch

[mgswake]

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[Mxmark4]

Was beautiful boat as was the G25 next to it and a relative value at 340k.

[KnoxMojo]

We went Friday during the storm, only thing I bought was a pair of board shorts on sale from Tommy's because my jeans were soaked. lol. The Custom SE was really nice, the Paragon was nuts, Malibu 25 LSV was also impressive. Mastercraft wasn't even there as there are some dealer changes going on. Talking to sales guys, the premium brands are still selling very well, the budget boats are the ones taking a hit with the current market and rates. Found that really interesting. Most disappointing boat for me as the MB B52 Alpha. At what they're asking, it was very underwhelming. My wife saw a really nice pontoon with a diving board, but it was $90k.

[bergermaister]

Dealer on YouTube had a walk through.

425,000 not sure sale price or Msrp. Said 135,000 down payment and 2,000/month for 20 years. Ouch

For those of us lucky enough to live in WA, the sales tax on that sucker would be more than I bought my boat for... How's that for perspective.

[MJHSupra]

On that B52, man it looks like a tree fell on the middle of it. I can get past the outside lines. Sort of like the way peeps view the MC towers.

The BU 25 LSV and the 24 MXZ were cool boats. Right up there was the two SEs from Supra with the cool factor. The local dealer brought a good representation for both Supra and Moomba. They were selling boats.

I did not spend any time looking at what the Centurion/Tige/ATX dealer was showing. Wanted to see the 23ZX.

Competition must be getting stiffer; I heard more brand bashing vs previous years from the sales peeps on Saturday.
But that is always going on when you get all the brands into one area.

[HFarr]

On that B52, man it looks like a tree fell on the middle of it. I can get past the outside lines. Sort of like the way peeps view the MC towers.

The BU 25 LSV and the 24 MXZ were cool boats. Right up there was the two SEs from Supra with the cool factor. The local dealer brought a good representation for both Supra and Moomba. They were selling boats.

I did not spend any time looking at what the Centurion/Tige/ATX dealer was showing. Wanted to see the 23ZX.

Competition must be getting stiffer; I heard more brand bashing vs previous years from the sales peeps on Saturday.
But that is always going on when you get all the brands into one area.About the brand bashing. I hear a lot of that. And I know people that are strictly brand loyal, not just in boats, but vehicles too. It doesn't matter how awesome of a design or feature something has. If it's not their favorite brand, they will say it's crap. The engineer in me recognizes good design regardless of who makes it. As a matter of fact, I have more respect for good designs/features that are lower or reasonably priced than I do a brand name. I don't care who made it.

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[larry_arizona]

About the brand bashing. I hear a lot of that. And I know people that are strictly brand loyal, not just in boats, but vehicles too. It doesn't matter how awesome of a design or feature something has. If it's not their favorite brand, they will say it's crap. The engineer in me recognizes good design regardless of who makes it. As a matter of fact, I have more respect for good designs/features that are lower or reasonably priced than I do a brand name. I don't care who made it.

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I don't feel a lot of brand bashing on this forum to competitive brands, in fact, I find the opposite. It feel like it's more personal preferences.

I also appreciate a well engineered design, but I do care who made it. You can have the best design in the world produced with low quality and materials. Perhaps the old "you get what you pay for".


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[HFarr]

Don't get me wrong, I hold the quality of what is made important regardless of the features or design or mfg.

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[Mxmark4]

The only guy who was really brand bashing was the saleman from Tommys. I had spoken to him about an axis last year when I had just sold my mondo. He told me when Im disappointed with my wave this year to come see him and hae will get me in a "real" surf boat. I love the looks of the axis line but the interior feels and leaves MUCH to be desired. I think the Moombas nail it in terms of interior comfort and value. And my wave was ok last year and got better and better as the season went on so I can only imagine what a bigger boat will do. The ATX and Tige boats are nice looking, as was that 26 lsv Malibu. Lots more dealers were talking about demo days and getting a chance to get out behind some of these newer offerings and seeing how they compare to my boat.

[russellsmojo]

Disappointing behavior from Tommy’s guy. To say one is better etc just shows real life ignorance. Different yes. Better ehhh…


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[larry_arizona]

Disappointing behavior from Tommy’s guy. To say one is better etc just shows real life ignorance. Different yes. Better ehhh…


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Take it with a grain of salt, just a sales guy doing whatever it takes. Tommy's is a massive dealer chain and the one by me behaves the same way. Only reason I step foot in that place is the pro shop is best one around.


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[KnoxMojo]

Take it with a grain of salt, just a sales guy doing whatever it takes. Tommy's is a massive dealer chain and the one by me behaves the same way. Only reason I step foot in that place is the pro shop is best one around.


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What's funny is the Tommy's in Chattanooga sells Supra/Moomba, lol..def just sales guys doing sales guy things

[sandm]

I was a sales manager back in the day at circuit city. we were INGRAINED that you NEVER disparage another vendor/product. if you can't sell on why our product was better by showing features/advantages/benefits then you were canned. bashing others is a sign of a $hitty salesman that doesn't know the business/competition.... if you know what you are selling and are the subject-matter-expert as you should be, you know why yours is better and you can point out why the moomba they are sitting in is better than the axis without saying axis is garbage. axis does have benefits over moomba and vice versa.

my opinion but I've walked off car lots when a salesman starts down that path. I have come back later to see a different salesman.

[larry_arizona]

Last time I was in Tommy's, I had a Supra hat on. Sales guy asked if I was ready to buy a real boat......

Just laughed it off. No biggie.


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[HFarr]

I was a sales manager back in the day at circuit city. we were INGRAINED that you NEVER disparage another vendor/product. if you can't sell on why our product was better by showing features/advantages/benefits then you were canned. bashing others is a sign of a $hitty salesman that doesn't know the business/competition.... if you know what you are selling and are the subject-matter-expert as you should be, you know why yours is better and you can point out why the moomba they are sitting in is better than the axis without saying axis is garbage. axis does have benefits over moomba and vice versa.

my opinion but I've walked off car lots when a salesman starts down that path. I have come back later to see a different salesman.The part about "being a subject matter expert on what you are selling" is often lost on most car salesmen. I can't tell you how many times I have known more, much more, about vehicle features than most of the saleamen I have spoken with. I have not talked with too many boat salesmen, but the few I have seem to be knowledgeable. If my job was to sell trucks, cars, boats or whatever, you bet I will know everything there is about it. That's a pet peave of mine when the salesman doesn't understand what he is selling.

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[russellsmojo]

I am with sandm on this one. I am walking out or I might laugh in their face. They obviously wanted a reaction so I can offer one up. Might end up buying that brand but from someone else for sure. We are talking about expensive purchases and to knock someone’s decision…basically call their baby ugly….nope.


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[Mobius22]

What's funny is the Tommy's in Chattanooga sells Supra/Moomba, lol..def just sales guys doing sales guy things

Tommy's is no longer the Chattanooga dealer. Skiers Marine is the dealer now.

I was at the Knoxville show in Premier's booth and we heard the Tommy's guys talking about our boats. Let's just say we don't go that route and aren't worried about anyone who does...

[KnoxMojo]

Tommy's is no longer the Chattanooga dealer. Skiers Marine is the dealer now.

I was at the Knoxville show in Premier's booth and we heard the Tommy's guys talking about our boats. Let's just say we don't go that route and aren't worried about anyone who does...

Right on, didn't realize you guys had changed the dealer. You only talk smack when you're scared and needing to make a sale

[larry_arizona]

The fact that SC replaced Tommy's says a lot.


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[sandm]

You only talk smack when you're scared and needing to make a sale

lol. so true.....

[MJHSupra]

Very true. Do not want to be going back the dealership with unsold boats.

[Yzfguy06]

What are the discounts being seen at boat shows this year?

[MJHSupra]

I did not bother asking any of the dealers the show prices in Knoxville. I guess prices and discounts would depend on what market you are in.

[Yzfguy06]

Makes sense. I saw about 13% off of msrp and 10k from Supra over the weekend.

[mgswake]

Makes sense. I saw about 13% off of msrp and 10k from Supra over the weekend.

Did you mean to type 10K? On a Supra over 200k that is 5% or less discount from MSRP

[Yzfguy06]

Did you mean to type 10K? On a Supra over 200k that is 5% or less discount from MSRP

Msrp was 199500 and “Sale” price was 162500. They took 13% off of msrp and Supra was kicking in an additional 10k in discounts.

[mgswake]

Thanks, that makes sense.

What motor? My SL 400 was MSRP 216k. That’s with most options except no thruster, and obviously the base 400 engine.

[Yzfguy06]

Thanks, that makes sense.

What motor? My SL 400 was MSRP 216k. That’s with most options except no thruster, and obviously the base 400 engine.

It’s has the the 400. According to the sales guy it’s hard to justify the 450 upgrade price if you’re not at elevation. I agree although I don’t have experience with it. It has the boat cover, upgraded prop, upgraded gator step, heater vents, underwater, transom lights, one set of speakers on the tower, spare tire.

[mgswake]

I only have 21 hours on the 400 so far but no issues. It has performed great. I have Wakesurfed full ballast and 5 adults in the boat. I have Wakeboarded 50% ballast and 4 adults.

I am in South Carolina at only a couple hundred feet of elevation. Salesman told me the 400 would work for me as well. Said I would only really need the 450 if I was wakeboarding 100% ballast and a boat full of people. So, I went with the 400 and I’ve been happy so far.

Message me if you have any specific questions.

[larry_arizona]

The 400/1.76/16x13.9 prop goes a long way.

It pulled 100% ballast wakeboarding with 3 crew and 700# lead in an SA. It was just a test and it did fine at 1000 feet.


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[mjb929rr]

Thanks, that makes sense.

What motor? My SL 400 was MSRP 216k. That’s with most options except no thruster, and obviously the base 400 engine.

I haven’t been to the dealer in a while but that’s shocking! 2023 must have had a huge price hike. 2022sl550 with every single box checked Dec 2021 purchase date was 230k msrp and 190 otd

[mgswake]

I was supposed to get a 2022 but my build slot fell through. So I got one of the first 2023 slots. Did not change one box on the build and the MSRP for 2022 was 180k, MSRP 2023 216k.

I thought I read somewhere the 2023 has a different seat base, but I think the 2022 and 2023 are basically the same boat just price adjusted for cost of materials and inflation. Luckily, my dealer really took care of me to help with that model year price jump.

[Holdmybeer]

I was supposed to get a 2022 but my build slot fell through. So I got one of the first 2023 slots. Did not change one box on the build and the MSRP for 2022 was 180k, MSRP 2023 216k.

I thought I read somewhere the 2023 has a different seat base, but I think the 2022 and 2023 are basically the same boat just price adjusted for cost of materials and inflation. Luckily, my dealer really took care of me to help with that model year price jump.

Not trying to beat a dead horse.....but how are those taxes doing?

[mgswake]

Paid in full. We are actually moving our primary address this summer. Just waiting on the construction of our building. This should help lower the millage rate a little bit. And the boat value should depreciate next year. I'm also trying to look into other options, but many of them were in the grey area and I would prefer not to get into grey area when it comes to taxes.

[Yzfguy06]

Paid in full. We are actually moving our primary address this summer. Just waiting on the construction of our building. This should help lower the millage rate a little bit. And the boat value should depreciate next year. I'm also trying to look into other options, but many of them were in the grey area and I would prefer not to get into grey area when it comes to taxes.

What are you looking into?

[haknslash]

Crazy I saw on the FB group a new Max listed at $113k. They were $60k just a few years ago at the 2018 boat show. Not a whole lot has changed with the boat aside from new dash and more ballast in 2020. There is not nearly double the boat cost in features or material costs. Just insane but hopefully this keeps the value good on the used boats. Glad I got in when I did because no way I’d be paying these prices for the “budget line” of Skiers Choice or any other brands really.

[mgswake]

haknslash. on the bright side if you need to sell your boat, you could probably list it for at least what you paid for it. I agree with you though, I don't see enough changes that justify the price increase over the past ~5 years or so. Look at a lot of my other posts and I really blame the loan term length (20 years) and low interest rates for the price jumps. I was on a fishing charter the other day and our guide was talking about how a couple came into the boat show and looked at one boat that was too expensive, but when they saw the other boat's monthly payment they bought that one instead. The boat they bought was more expensive than the one they thought was too expensive. I ran into this car shopping the past few times I have gone. Everyone seems to want to sell monthly payment and not total price.

[larry_arizona]

haknslash. on the bright side if you need to sell your boat, you could probably list it for at least what you paid for it. I agree with you though, I don't see enough changes that justify the price increase over the past ~5 years or so. Look at a lot of my other posts and I really blame the loan term length (20 years) and low interest rates for the price jumps. I was on a fishing charter the other day and our guide was talking about how a couple came into the boat show and looked at one boat that was too expensive, but when they saw the other boat's monthly payment they bought that one instead. The boat they bought was more expensive than the one they thought was too expensive. I ran into this car shopping the past few times I have gone. Everyone seems to want to sell monthly payment and not total price.

I blame inflation, everything costs more. The past 2 years have each seen 7-9%, means things cost more and your income likely isn't keeping up with inflation.

I also believe the OEM's business model is keep MSRP's going up to keep used prices up enough so people can sell their used boat and not be upside down. This will entice people to keep buying new boats every couple years.

The 20 year loans at 3.5% from a couple years ago are a no brainer. Allows you to treat a boat like a lease or give you Uber flexibility on how you choose to pay it off. Win win


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