Looking to upgrade

[Holdmybeer]

Guys, Gals, anyone who wants to respond.

Went out this weekend and rode my 2015 MOJO manual Flow 1.0. Wife and I surfed. Taught my SIL to surf and nephew rode the kneeboard. Great time!
Buddy came out 2019 Craz autowake and I surfed his boat. Goofy wave was good and better than mine and I like not having to list so far or move taps manually.
His friend 2022 Supra SA400. Flip a switch and surf all day. Wave was longer and just better hands down.
Another guy 2021 Malibu MXZ 23. This thing was a beast in the water. Bow rise was a little more but he was 5k ballast all subfloor but 2 PNP bags in the rear. The flip out platform step is awesome and fit and finish between the Bu and SA was real close. Probably give it to the Bu but chilltech and thrusters on the SA were nice perks.

Come this time next season, the wife and I will be able to upgrade. I'm taking a promotion in October and she is switching jobs. After seeing both the SA and Bu those would be the top contenders going forward. My wife likes the SL better to stay at 23ft (I agree also) but looking for anyone with experience. I understand these are 1st world problems. Everyone on this site has them since we can afford boats in the first place.

I guess let the argument begin!

[sandm]

have 2 cousins. both boaters.
granted a few years ago but cousin #1 had 2 new bu's back in the 2016-2018 timeframe and hated them both. said fit/finish after putting 30-50hrs on them was not worth the price, bow rise was absolutely silly and overall not what the price represented. sold the 2nd for a nautty gs200 and said it was night and day better. he's now in a 90's era DD as all he does anymore is waterski so didn't need the fatty payment.
cousin #2 started in a '20 tige r23. loved it. sold for a '21 23zx and couldn't run away fast enough. fit/finish wasn't there for the price, wake was not ever good on goofy side and overall a bust of a boat. sold it for a '22 supra SL with the huffer motor. loved it. I got to surf it and the wave is really really good. on par with the centurion ri237. couple small nits on it but otherwise a solid boat. he sold it this fall and is now boatless. I think he'll land back in an r23. for the price it's one of the best surfboats out there and tige GO is so much easier to use than supra's vision. both he and the wife loved the supra but for the amount of use, the r23 was almost as good at roughly half the cost(he has 2 kids about to enter college). I told him shop a new mojo to compare to r23 so we'll see.

that said if I was in the market for your first world problem, bu wouldn't be on the radar. for us we would be shopping supra and centurion but would likely end up in a supra. riding his boat a month ago the vinyl is hands down some of the best I have seen and the wave was crazy out of the box. I can't imagine how much better it'll get with some lead spread around.

[Bigs28]

I have a 21 mojo and not happy with it at all. Ive been shopping lately and was in a decked out Malibu. The interior was so freaking hot it would burn you. Even there light gray flooring. Malibu also has a stupid rule on their dealer's where you can only buy from a certain dealer based on where you live. We've really been looking hard at the supremes. I have no experience with supra since no dealers in Florida.

[larry_arizona]

Shocked the 21Tige was such a turd, isn’t that their flagship model?

Honestly if they were seemingly happy with the 22SL550, why get rid of it?

With the year over year price increases, Not a lot of cheaper options in the premium class.

I would say a 2020SA might fit the bill.

All things said, if I was boatless now, I would be shopping used Supra or new moomba.


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[sandm]

Malibu also has a stupid rule on their dealer's where you can only buy from a certain dealer based on where you live. We've really been looking hard at the supremes.
most boat dealers have territories. there are ways around it but it's not just a 'bu thing. supreme makes a solid boat. it's a comparo to the moomba lines. built by centurion and iirc nautty parent company owns all 3. I have shopped them 2x over the years but both times garage height was the no-go for us. most models need a tall garage door.


Shocked the 23Tige was such a turd, isn’t that their flagship model?

Honestly if they were seemingly happy with the 22SL550, why get rid of it?


the tige was not the wake they were looking for. to his point, spend 150k on a boat and have to litter the interior with lead and bags was not what they wanted. the supra sl out of the gate was a FAR superior wake for them. dealer was giving him good deals as long as he "traded up" in price each year. they liked the r23 in the value vs payment equation and in their mind, nothing else has been close. said the supra was a far superior ride but it was also almost exactly 2x the costin a 2 year span. 200k isn't a stretch for them from what I can see but it also boils down to where you want your funds to go. both kids about to hit college, they see time at the lake house dwindling. for them, 23ft is the sweet spot.

[larry_arizona]

Is their dealer doing some sort of “lease” plan where they buy a new boat each year?


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[Holdmybeer]

You guys are hitting all the point my brain has went through the last 24hrs. The Bu was nice but yeah interior was hot. But I have an old MOJO and mine was hot so I didn't deduct value. The chilltech was a big plus. Thrusters were nice for tying up but he never uses them for anything but that and docking said he added them for resale value.

I still like the 23ft length. The SA and Craz were the same in interior space and my crew of 11 (mostly kids) would have been cramped. My MoJo was tight so staying 23 (SL) would be a must. The Bu table was a nice touch and the flip out swim step is a nice touch for kids.

Centurion dealer is a drive for me so that is why I struggle to look at one. Real nice boat but I don't see much in the used department in Ohio. A Nautty was an option but they are very proud of the value. I can basically buy new for some of the used prices I see out there.

[larry_arizona]

I use the thrusters mostly to pick up riders and aligning them.

I dock 99% without them.


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[Holdmybeer]

Looking into Tige. I didn't realize I had an Ohio dealer until now.

If I was looking SL400, or MXZ 23 what would be the comparable for Tige? Looking at SandM for this. I want a wide-ish bow. The Malibu LSV is out because of the old school narrow bow. The boat looks good but we need the "playpen" for the kids.

[sandm]

Is their dealer doing some sort of “lease” plan where they buy a new boat each year?


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkNo. Buy a boat and if u trade up into a more spensive model, he took care of them.
I think there's some back door deals going on with my cous wiring his lake house but not sure.

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[sandm]

Looking into Tige. I didn't realize I had an Ohio dealer until now.

If I was looking SL400, or MXZ 23 what would be the comparable for Tige? Looking at SandM for this. I want a wide-ish bow. The Malibu LSV is out because of the old school narrow bow. The boat looks good but we need the "playpen" for the kids.23zx would likely be the sl comparison.
Tige has some great interiors and the GO system is great but I'd demo one either boarding or surfing if it was me.
Our r23 surfed great but that hull is the old z3 hull and it's been proven over and over. I have heard mixed on the zx hulls. the SL was CRAZY quiet compared to our r23 and cous said it was quite a bit less than the 400 in the 23zx.

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[Holdmybeer]

23zx would likely be the sl comparison.
Tige has some great interiors and the GO system is great but I'd demo one either boarding or surfing if it was me.
Our r23 surfed great but that hull is the old z3 hull and it's been proven over and over. I have heard mixed on the zx hulls. the SL was CRAZY quiet compared to our r23 and cous said it was quite a bit less than the 400 in the 23zx.

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Thanks for this.

The dealers have a demo weekend around the Ohio River area. I will certainly demo several brands before buying. The Supra I know what I'm getting and the Bu I could catch a ride at the local lake spot.

Depending how the market goes or shifts, I may look 1 season old boat also. Just wanting some of the new tech and some power options.

[larry_arizona]

I will say the Tige levels are confusing.


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[sandm]

I will say the Tige levels are confusing.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkNot really.
Odd lengths are more conventional bows. Even are pickles. There are differences in hulls but not sure what. Most buy the zx from what I have seen.
The z lineup is the odd duck and not sure why they brought the old z hull back with some tweaks other than a 145k conventional bow to fill the atx to zx/rzx price point.

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[larry_arizona]

So all tige Models are “premium”?

ATX is their budget line?


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[sandm]

So all tige Models are “premium”?

ATX is their budget line?


tige/atx are like supra/moomba with one exception that I believe. within the tige lines, the z series are slightly less optioned. kind of a mini 3-tier approach. I believe(and all my .02) the only reason the z lines are back in were the people complaining that they killed what has been their best hull since 2012 in the z3 and out of the box, it surfed better than the zx series when released. the z from what has been published is basically what skiers did with the lsv around 2010ish. take a best selling hull and add some topdeck to make it more relevant. some say the wetted surface is changed as well but I'm in the camp that it's not really a "new" hull, only a few tweaks. depends on the salesman you talk to on whether or not it's an old or new hull :D

they can't seem to make up their minds with plates either. first it was inhouse, then gsa and now back inhouse. I don't follow them closely anymore but going from inhouse to gsa made the wave 100% better on the r series but have not heard if going back in house was good or bad.
2 things they do REALLY well at tho are the stitching in the interiors-they have one of the best interior looks in the business with the diamond stitching- and the tige clear/GO system.

[cucv]

I have a 21 mojo and not happy with it at all. Ive been shopping lately and was in a decked out Malibu. The interior was so freaking hot it would burn you. Even there light gray flooring. Malibu also has a stupid rule on their dealer's where you can only buy from a certain dealer based on where you live. We've really been looking hard at the supremes. I have no experience with supra since no dealers in Florida.What don't you like about the 21 Mojo?

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[Holdmybeer]

Looks like a used ZX is really close to used Bu pricing. Supra is priced much more competitive on the 1-2 yr old market but there are also less Supras on that market. The RZX looks to be the sweet spot in luxury and performance without over paying.

I love the new SL so it is hard for me to let it go just on looks alone. But that starting at $179K tag is hard to swallow, optioned is $200k.

Tige is something I would want to demo before pulling the trigger. But from reviews and walk through videos I'm not seeing much to complain about.

[Bigs28]

What don't you like about the 21 Mojo?

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I don't want to hijack this guy's thread so i can private message you.

[j.mo]

Looks like a used ZX is really close to used Bu pricing. Supra is priced much more competitive on the 1-2 yr old market but there are also less Supras on that market. The RZX looks to be the sweet spot in luxury and performance without over paying.

I love the new SL so it is hard for me to let it go just on looks alone. But that starting at $179K tag is hard to swallow, optioned is $200k.

Tige is something I would want to demo before pulling the trigger. But from reviews and walk through videos I'm not seeing much to complain about.



Tige has always been like sanger to me. Great for the right price, but the discount has to be there to make the juice worth the squeeze


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[Mxmark4]

@holdmybeer how about a 21 SE550? Buddy is about to let his go. Fully loaded thrusters chill tech everything. Well taken care of boat.

[HFarr]

@holdmybeer how about a 21 SE550? Buddy is about to let his go. Fully loaded thrusters chill tech everything. Well taken care of boat.For how much????

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[Holdmybeer]

@holdmybeer how about a 21 SE550? Buddy is about to let his go. Fully loaded thrusters chill tech everything. Well taken care of boat.

I would love something like that. However, I just upgraded tow vehicles this year so I have to wait until next year. Also not getting any increase until Oct. Just not in the cards this quickly. That is why I'm asking now because like most on this site it will take me awhile to spend that kind of money.

But I'm intrigued. How many hours and what price? You can PM me if you want.

[j.mo]

@holdmybeer how about a 21 SE550? Buddy is about to let his go. Fully loaded thrusters chill tech everything. Well taken care of boat.

If hfarr isn’t interested, I may be


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[Mxmark4]

I will figure it out. Know hes ordering something new but not sure if he is gonna trade his in or try and sell it.

[MJHSupra]

If it's the boat I'm thinking of, that's a nice 550 SE. I rode on it a few times. Looked at it when it was for sale.

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[jcarter20]

Thanks for this.

The dealers have a demo weekend around the Ohio River area. I will certainly demo several brands before buying. The Supra I know what I'm getting and the Bu I could catch a ride at the local lake spot.

Depending how the market goes or shifts, I may look 1 season old boat also. Just wanting some of the new tech and some power options.

There is a Tige dealer down by Caesars Creek on Rt. 73, Taylor’s South Shore Marina. I think you are in C-bus, so not too far of a drive. I have been wanting to demo one as well as I have got the bug to upgrade next year as well. Also, Hern Marine in Cincy sells Centurion. I have seen them at Caesars for demos as well. I priced and SL a week ago. Fully loaded with thrusters….$199k without tax. Yikes.


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[jcarter20]

Just my two cents, which may only be worth one….I test rode a 21 Bu and a 21 G23 with my buddy a few years ago and the G23 blew the Malibu away from a fit and finish standpoint. The gel coat on the Bu was terrible. You could actually see overspray where it changed colors. He also had a 17 Bu 23 LSV he was trading in. Ultimately he went G23. However, wakeboard wake behind the 23 LSV is the best in the market in my opinion. Surf wave on the Bu was pretty sweet, but you need the piggy back bags to really get it going. Thus losing the rear locker storage. That was a deal breaker for me. Wake and surf wave behind the G23 is awesome. If I had no budget I would be on the G23 or a Supra.


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[Mxmark4]

My buddies SE is going to be sold thru the local dealer as he wants the tax break he gets for trading in or consigning the boat when he gets his new one. I think he wants like 170, but I think the market decides that more than he does. .

[Holdmybeer]

Yep in C-Bus. I didn't realize Hern had Centurion. I have always liked them. Only seen 2 on the water up my way. I like the looks of the Ri235 but not sure my budget could handle it. Also, I hear for the money buy Supra.

I'll have to head that way the next demo weekend at Caesars.

I have been to No Wake in Cincy and priced a G21 before I realized my crew needs a 23ft boat. It was several years ago and I though $140k msrp was bad. I rode in a GS21 as I thought we were still going to ski but that has taken a large back seat to surfing (and my knees are thankful). The SL would be perfect but $200k hurts. My be looking used again next fall.

It odd to hear all the bad about newer Bu's. They always seemed to be the brand all others were chasing. I know it surfed awesome but yes he had the PNP bags in the lockers.

[Mxmark4]

Yep in C-Bus. I didn't realize Hern had Centurion. I have always liked them. Only seen 2 on the water up my way. I like the looks of the Ri235 but not sure my budget could handle it. Also, I hear for the money buy Supra.

I'll have to head that way the next demo weekend at Caesars.

I have been to No Wake in Cincy and priced a G21 before I realized my crew needs a 23ft boat. It was several years ago and I though $140k msrp was bad. I rode in a GS21 as I thought we were still going to ski but that has taken a large back seat to surfing (and my knees are thankful). The SL would be perfect but $200k hurts. My be looking used again next fall.

It odd to hear all the bad about newer Bu's. They always seemed to be the brand all others were chasing. I know it surfed awesome but yes he had the PNP bags in the lockers.

Look on malibu crew they have a thread about the QC on the new boats and it seems like a lot of it is gel coat and electrical gremlins. But there are also several folks complaing of hydrolocking their engines as well. Thats would be the one that would worry me more than anything else.