New mojo ballast upgrades

[Bigs28]

Got this in an email from wakemakers today. I don't know the size of my factory rear bags but I'm confused why the mojo upgrades are more then double the price of the makai and max upgrade.

https://www.wakemakers.com/products/wakemakers-moomba-mojo-gen-3-bagbuster-rear-upgrade?_pos=1&_psq=mojo&_ss=e&_v=1.0

[jnr4817]

It’s just an exact fit Enzo bag, lol. Not sure why it’s so expensive. Maybe the laser measurement broke the bank.

[uniwarking]

Agree the pricing seems way out of line… seems they’re cashing in on the Mojo volume and the need to add weight to get a decent wave. I’d really like to know exactly how much weight these upgrades add. From the FaceBook group, it had been posted that that add 920 lbs…. I suppose if they are a foot taller this is possible since the lockers are so huge.


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[MJHSupra]

Wow. That’s expensive for one bag.


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[Bigs28]

These bags are advertised at 1460lbs each. I can't find what my stock rear bags are in the mojo to know. Honestly though im always riding bow high. I have 500lbs of lead in the bow and still can't get under 11 degrees pitch surfing. Rear weight would just make it worse.

[uniwarking]

These bags are advertised at 1460lbs each. I can't find what my stock rear bags are in the mojo to know. Honestly though im always riding bow high. I have 500lbs of lead in the bow and still can't get under 11 degrees pitch surfing. Rear weight would just make it worse.

Really? We had our ballast full yesterday and an 850 sack on the floor in front of the rear bench seat and we couldn’t get pitch above 8. Two adults and two young kids.


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[TXSurf4]

I don't have a dog in this fight but always enjoy obtaining knowledge....do any of yall know how your factory ballast is distributed in the boat? I figure the new factory rear bags were pretty close to 1,460 already. Do you know what yalls bow bags weighs?

FWIW that price is crazy high!

[vdubnick]

Got this in an email from wakemakers today. I don't know the size of my factory rear bags but I'm confused why the mojo upgrades are more then double the price of the makai and max upgrade.

https://www.wakemakers.com/products/wakemakers-moomba-mojo-gen-3-bagbuster-rear-upgrade?_pos=1&_psq=mojo&_ss=e&_v=1.0

my guess is because it is a giant bag vs the split 2 bag like makai/max

im not impressed with the fit of the mojo bags. The port side has about 6-12" in front of the bag that could be used (good space for lead i guess), and even with the storage bins, there is about 6 inches of headroom. Also, the transition gets pinched off by the floor fiberglass, i addd some edge guard so i dont end up with a leak later on, but they could have filleted the L shape more since there is a bit of room after it fills where they cut off the end of the seat storage area. I may add a net, im worried about shit falling back on top of an empty bag while driving.


Agree the pricing seems way out of line… seems they’re cashing in on the Mojo volume and the need to add weight to get a decent wave. I’d really like to know exactly how much weight these upgrades add. From the FaceBook group, it had been posted that that add 920 lbs…. I suppose if they are a foot taller this is possible since the lockers are so huge.


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seems more cost effective to add a small bag on top, piggy back to the factory bags.


I don't have a dog in this fight but always enjoy obtaining knowledge....do any of yall know how your factory ballast is distributed in the boat? I figure the new factory rear bags were pretty close to 1,460 already. Do you know what yalls bow bags weighs?

FWIW that price is crazy high!

i was thinking the same, 1250~1500 since it is 4k total

[TXSurf4]

i was thinking the same, 1250~1500 since it is 4k total

Ya with it being 4k like the Makai I figured the factory set up was 1 large bag that was 1400 instead of the 1k with the 400 piggy backed like the Makai. I am assuming the bow Bag is a 1200 like the Makai. Honestly I thought the new Mojo rear bag design was genius as you don't have the 400# bag to worry about holding air but Wake Maker's price for the upgrade is crazy! I get that it ends up being more material and labor to manufacture but 2X?! Come On!!

[vdubnick]

Ya with it being 4k like the Makai I figured the factory set up was 1 large bag that was 1400 instead of the 1k with the 400 piggy backed like the Makai. I am assuming the bow Bag is a 1200 like the Makai. Honestly I thought the new Mojo rear bag design was genius as you don't have the 400# bag to worry about holding air but Wake Maker's price for the upgrade is crazy! I get that it ends up being more material and labor to manufacture but 2X?! Come On!!

yeah, i mean i like that it is a single bag, but the shape seems a little generic since it is oversized on the front end, getting pinched off, and then lots of room towards the rear that could have been utilized.

makes me wonder what the standards are for design/max ballast, obviously there is room for more bag, and it wouldnt have cost much more to add from the factory, but there must be some safety factor that keeps them from adding much more.

[Bigs28]

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[Bigs28]

The factory has to balance weight of ballast and weight of people and gear. Factory could have made it stock with 5k ballast but then they would have to reduce the seating capacity to 12 people or 1500lbs. It's a no win for everyone.

[vdubnick]

The factory has to balance weight of ballast and weight of people and gear. Factory could have made it stock with 5k ballast but then they would have to reduce the seating capacity to 12 people or 1500lbs. It's a no win for everyone.

yeah, i get that, im just curious how they determine how much the boat can sink.... there are plenty running over the sticker max weight with no issue.

[TXSurf4]

yeah, i get that, im just curious how they determine how much the boat can sink.... there are plenty running over the sticker max weight with no issue.

I am sure it has something to do with an NMMA Standard seeing as these boats are NMMA Certified

[vdubnick]

Agree the pricing seems way out of line… seems they’re cashing in on the Mojo volume and the need to add weight to get a decent wave. I’d really like to know exactly how much weight these upgrades add. From the FaceBook group, it had been posted that that add 920 lbs…. I suppose if they are a foot taller this is possible since the lockers are so huge.


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yeah, just saw the pictures in the FB group, it definitely fills the locker, so it is more water for sure. But it makes me think someone is not accurate about numbers, either WM is understating the bag, or SC is overrating the factory ballast numbers. Even if the center bag was 1500, the rears would be 1250 each....

since it looks like the WM bag is just taller, they should have saved money and just put a piggyback on top.

[Josh828]

Wow, I was waiting on this but glad I didnt, I bought 2 575lb bags for the midship seats and a pump for about $500. In my boat I needed more bow weight anyways. So midship bags made more sense for me. I also put a 750lb bag in the bow and 100lbs of lead under the drivers seat.

I heard they are making a full kit for the mojo with a front bag as well but it took some "modifying" hate to see the price on it

[Hayden]

Does anyone have a link to the video? (not on FB). I'm curious how much they filled the rear compartment.

[Scott-clt]

yeah, just saw the pictures in the FB group, it definitely fills the locker, so it is more water for sure. But it makes me think someone is not accurate about numbers, either WM is understating the bag, or SC is overrating the factory ballast numbers. Even if the center bag was 1500, the rears would be 1250 each....

since it looks like the WM bag is just taller, they should have saved money and just put a piggyback on top.

When I got the WM upgraded bags for my 2020 helix WM told me they didn’t think the oem bags were really 1000lbs as SC says… [emoji2371]


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[HFarr]

I just ordered the WM 1345 bag kit for my Makai rears.

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[BrentC5Z]

I just ordered the WM 1345 bag kit for my Makai rears.

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Bout time!
Lol


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[HFarr]

Bout time!
Lol


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkYeah, I have been deliberating it for a year now after I bought the boat. Either that or lead bags. My wave is actually not all that bad though. I put some automatic bleeders on my stock bags and it made a big difference. Be surprised how much air ballons up in them. I decided to go for it though when I watched your youtube video. It was just what I needed to put me over the edge! Thanks! And now I just feel silly suggesting that you join the Moomba forum!

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[HFarr]

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[vdubnick]

anyone get these yet? looking at the website it seems like the price is for 2 bags, not one... so within reason i guess? does it fully fill the locker, does it fill out forward any more?

[HFarr]

I will be putting mine in this weekend. Yes it is for two bags and no they don't go any further forward.

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[HFarr]

Go watch Brent's video on the exact bags at
https://youtu.be/61zloWEOCEw


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[vdubnick]

Go watch Brent's video on the exact bags at
https://youtu.be/61zloWEOCEw


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thats the makai, this thread is about mojo

which on the makai looks like there is a bit of room above the bag.

[melanieyearwood]

These bags are advertised at 1460lbs each. I can't find what my stock rear bags are in the mojo to know. Honestly though im always riding bow high. I have 500lbs of lead in the bow and still can't get under 11 degrees pitch surfing. Rear weight would just make it worse.

The new bags are 1270lbs each. I know that. I'm not sure what the factory bags were.

[vdubnick]

The new bags are 1270lbs each. I know that. I'm not sure what the factory bags were.

how do you know that?

the numbers for the mojo make no sense.... factory claims 4k ballast, which if the upgrade is 1460, and claim it is at least 600lb bigger, that puts the bow at atleast 1600lb.... which i call bullshit, because the fill time is about 30% faster on the bow... part of that is the head/height of the bag, but still, numbers dont make sense.

also, throw in that wake9 put 1k lead in the bow, means that there is already plenty in the rear.

I am half tempted to fill on a scale, or pull bags and measure/calc the weight

[TXSurf4]

how do you know that?

the numbers for the mojo make no sense.... factory claims 4k ballast, which if the upgrade is 1460, and claim it is at least 600lb bigger, that puts the bow at atleast 1600lb.... which i call bullshit, because the fill time is about 30% faster on the bow... part of that is the head/height of the bag, but still, numbers dont make sense.

also, throw in that wake9 put 1k lead in the bow, means that there is already plenty in the rear.

I am half tempted to fill on a scale, or pull bags and measure/calc the weight

I agree that there are no good #s on the Mojo out there which can be frustrating. Not knowing the size of the factory rear bag makes it hard to justify the Wakemakers upgrade especially at that price point. Where did you see that Ragboy put 1k of lead all in the bow? It seems he had it spread pretty evenly (8 in the bow & 12 in the rear of the cabin) in that boat. You can read how he had it setup here under the section "Lead"

[vdubnick]

I agree that there are no good #s on the Mojo out there which can be frustrating. Not knowing the size of the factory rear bag makes it hard to justify the Wakemakers upgrade especially at that price point. Where did you see that Ragboy put 1k of lead all in the bow? It seems he had it spread pretty evenly (8 in the bow & 12 in the rear of the cabin) in that boat. You can read how he had it setup here under the section "Lead"I didn't see it, going off what someone said on my mojo ballast/lead post

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[TXSurf4]

I didn't see it, going off what someone said on my mojo ballast/lead post

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I just realized I didn't post the link to my previous post https://wake9.com/2021/07/01/2021-moomba-mojo-settings/

Sorry about that, if you read down where the section with the header "Lead" is he breaks it down. Hopefully someone from SC can enlighten all of us and let us know what the breakdown on the Mojo ballast setup is. I feel like that wouldn't be something that is held close to the chest.

[Hayden]

how do you know that?

the numbers for the mojo make no sense.... factory claims 4k ballast, which if the upgrade is 1460, and claim it is at least 600lb bigger, that puts the bow at atleast 1600lb.... which i call bullshit, because the fill time is about 30% faster on the bow... part of that is the head/height of the bag, but still, numbers dont make sense.

also, throw in that wake9 put 1k lead in the bow, means that there is already plenty in the rear.

I am half tempted to fill on a scale, or pull bags and measure/calc the weight


My dealer quoted me 1400 lbs for the 2 rear, and 1200 lbs for the front bag in the 2021 (stock) Mojo.

[TXSurf4]

My dealer quoted me 1400 lbs for the 2 rear, and 1200 lbs for the front bag in the 2021 (stock) Mojo.

That would make sense as that is how the Makai’s ballast is allocated as well just with a different setup for the rear bags. The part that doesn’t make sense is that wakemakers claims their upgraded rear bags are 1,460# which isn’t an upgrade at all from stock if they stocks are 1,400#. I think that is why everyone is soo confused. Wakemakers claims a 600-1800# increase in overall capacity but this would only net 120# on the 21+ mojo which you could just buy 150# of lead for 10% of the cost of the bags lol

Thinking about this and I wonder has anyone called wakemakers to get some clarity on this?


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[vdubnick]

My dealer quoted me 1400 lbs for the 2 rear, and 1200 lbs for the front bag in the 2021 (stock) Mojo.That seems reasonable and is what I would guess. I think maybe the WM bags are underrated. I know they fill higher, and based on my rough calc, there is approx 6 cubic feet of space on top of the filled stock bags, which if filled with water would be about 360lb each side.

Considering wake9 putting lead mid and bow, I don't think the WM is worth it.

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[vdubnick]

WM should just save material and make a 360lb bag that connects to 2 of the vent holes on the factory bag

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[Bigs28]

I did contact wakemakers and this was their response.

"Hey Josh,

Your current bags are 1,000lbs each and out bags will add an additional 920lbs total to your boat. We currently do not have a bow upgrade for this unfortunately. We plan on having this done eventually but it may be some time still before we get that completed.
Thanks,

Sam
Customer Advocate"

I don't believe my current rear bags are only 1k each.

[TXSurf4]

I may have said this before but I have no dog in the fight when it comes to the Mojo and the upgraded rear bags other than wanting people to have a great wave. That being said I remember seeing a post a while back about a Mojo that was loaded up and realized that it was Hayden (post #32). He had custom rear bags made by Fatsac for his Mojo that were 1800#. He has a video in his playlist (linked below) where he has the factory bag and his new bag inflated with air to see the difference and after seeing the factory bag in his video I don't have a hard time believing it is 1,400#. Hayden said he runs a light crew so he even piggybacked 2x350# mid ships and also some weight up front to achieve his numbers and his wave looks awesome. After watching his video, if you have a decent crew I could see the upgraded bags being worth it along with a minimum of 500# of lead. IMO never having set foot on a new Mojo and just watching his video, upgraded bags and 500# in lead would be where I would start but I can guarantee you I would end up with 1k in lead because I always want to have an awesome wave with a light crew and then when the crew is larger the wave is just that much better. I would be interested to know what he paid for his bags compared to what Wakemakers is asking but Fatsac should already have the dimensions and the pattern from his order so I would think they would be pretty easy to order them again from them. If you have time give his playlist a watch as he has some good info in there as well as a sweet video of him riding his wave. The other topic he covers that is also important when upgrading the rear bags is reinforcing the engine dividers. There are a couple routes you can go with that but it is definitely needed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoNT9m2NQYU&list=PLZis39jH48QFAB5UuxIAKNcyJsesZ4YCd&index=1

[vdubnick]

I may have said this before but I have no dog in the fight when it comes to the Mojo and the upgraded rear bags other than wanting people to have a great wave. That being said I remember seeing a post a while back about a Mojo that was loaded up and realized that it was Hayden (post #32). He had custom rear bags made by Fatsac for his Mojo that were 1800#. He has a video in his playlist (linked below) where he has the factory bag and his new bag inflated with air to see the difference and after seeing the factory bag in his video I don't have a hard time believing it is 1,400#. Hayden said he runs a light crew so he even piggybacked 2x350# mid ships and also some weight up front to achieve his numbers and his wave looks awesome. After watching his video, if you have a decent crew I could see the upgraded bags being worth it along with a minimum of 500# of lead. IMO never having set foot on a new Mojo and just watching his video, upgraded bags and 500# in lead would be where I would start but I can guarantee you I would end up with 1k in lead because I always want to have an awesome wave with a light crew and then when the crew is larger the wave is just that much better. I would be interested to know what he paid for his bags compared to what Wakemakers is asking but Fatsac should already have the dimensions and the pattern from his order so I would think they would be pretty easy to order them again from them. If you have time give his playlist a watch as he has some good info in there as well as a sweet video of him riding his wave. The other topic he covers that is also important when upgrading the rear bags is reinforcing the engine dividers. There are a couple routes you can go with that but it is definitely needed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoNT9m2NQYU&list=PLZis39jH48QFAB5UuxIAKNcyJsesZ4YCd&index=1

perfect, thanks for the info.

side note, i was looking at my build sheet and it lists (2) bags, 102x21.5x24" which would be the overall rear bag dims, so just measuring the long section, it would be 102x15x24 which is enough volume for about 1300lbs of water. so throw in the taller locker section and its def around 1500. The taller bag is as i estimated, probably a 3-400LB increase in volume.

WM sells universal bags, looks like a 500LB one would fit on top of stock and is only 150 each. so probably around 400 bucks after fittings and stuff for both bags.

[MJHSupra]

Go watch Brent's video on the exact bags at
https://youtu.be/61zloWEOCEw


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Ha ha. The dude cuts a hole in his building. WTF??

[larry_arizona]

Ha ha. The dude cuts a hole in his building. WTF??

Necessity is the mother of invention.

Doghouse is a great idea.


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[Hayden]

...I would be interested to know what he paid for his bags compared to what Wakemakers is asking but Fatsac should already have the dimensions and the pattern from his order so I would think they would be pretty easy to order them again from them.

I dealt with Benjamin Seipel <[email protected]> at Fatsac and he does have all my schematics. I'm not sure if posting custom price stuff on here is ok??? I've privately messaged the info to TXsurf4. Anyone else can do the same.

[Bigs28]

Who would i say you are if i emailed him to order everything you got? Would he know who " hayden" is?

[Hayden]

Who would i say you are if i emailed him to order everything you got? Would he know who " hayden" is?

I'm pretty sure he would, "Hayden's 2021 Mojo 1800lb bags", but as with all the youtube videos I've posted with this project, if you copy the install I did, be very aware of the extra upgrades I felt it needed to run smooth, (reinforced engine compartment dividers, lower pitched propeller, extra midship bags, extra bow bags, tsunami pump (to fill extra bow bags), all the extra fittings, hose and labor). It took me a solid 4-6 hours (???) to get everything set up and coupled correctly. I have 1k lead as well that I move around because reasons.

Definitely not a 1 night project and I wouldn't want anyone who's considering it to think so.