2022 Boat Shows

[MJHSupra]

Anyone planning to hit boat shows this year?

I think Atlanta is usually early Jan, I did not hear it was cancelled.
Denver and Cincy are usually mid-Jan.
Houston is end-Jan. Not sure about Dallas.
Utah was in early-Feb.

Read online that Chicago and Detroit were cancelled.

[larry_arizona]

Do dealers have any boats to display?

My dealer typically has one of each Supra and moomba model to participate in 2 boat shows within Detroit metro area.

They currently have ZERO dealer boats, all were pre sold customer orders. Kinda pointless to have a show when you are sold out the past 2 years and likely close to preselling 2023 order slots.


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[2in2out]

My dealer had one SA on the floor that was in process of being sold. None were anticipated either. They sold all 22 Moomba build slots, and about half of Supra slots in October.


Making my new SA build come true!!!

[MLA]

The Mid-Atlantic Boat Show in Charlotte, NC is on for the first weekend in Feb. A few dealers bowed out due to low inventory though. We've had some brand shakeups this past year, so I do not what for sure what manufactures will be rep'd. It does look like we could see Tige/ATX, Moomba/Supra, Nautique and Mastercraft. I dont see the Malibu/Axis dealer on the floor plain and I dont know if Centurion has found a new home.

Im danged excited. First show since Feb of 2020, but im not holding my breath.

[Mobius22]

Atlanta is cancelled to my knowledge

[HFarr]

Any word on Orlando FL?

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[MJHSupra]

Atlanta is cancelled to my knowledge

That sucks. They had a good show to look around.

Thanks for the info.


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[MJHSupra]

Do dealers have any boats to display?

My dealer typically has one of each Supra and moomba model to participate in 2 boat shows within Detroit metro area.

They currently have ZERO dealer boats, all were pre sold customer orders. Kinda pointless to have a show when you are sold out the past 2 years and likely close to preselling 2023 order slots.


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Our local dealer displayed a few “sold” boats last year - Moomba and Supra. Zach (salesman) usually has a SE demo boat that is all decked out.

Plus they also sell toons and jets.

At this point I look at the wake boats in the boat show as adverting and trying to get new leads. New buyers or someone looking to switch brands.

Interesting that our local dealer has around 10 used Supras (1-4 yo) that peeps are trading for newer models. A few other brand too: MCs, Naut, and BUs. They will all be gone this spring.


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[BigOrange]

Nashville show would have been this weekend but cancelled - no inventory.

[larry_arizona]

My theory is dealers currently don’t need boat shows to move inventory, so why would dealers spend that large amount of money for floor space at a boat show. My understanding is floor space is very expensive.

Boat shows will return when this crazy market slows down.


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[SONIC]

That makes sense, we used to do a bunch of trade shows every year and it's a huge undertaking. 10k+ for the space, several days of setup, a mad dash to teardown, food, meals, hotels etc it all adds up really fast and is a shit ton of work. As soon as we were big enough to not *need* to do them anymore we stopped going. We'll go back if we need to but man I hope to not have to.

If you only have so many build slots and they are all sold out there's no reason to spend the time and money.

[zabooda]

It would be like going to an Ikea store. Everything is on display but 3/4 of everthing is temporarily out of stock with 100% of what we wanted not available. No wonder the parking lot was empty. A real waste of time.

[larry_arizona]

It would be like going to an Ikea store. Everything is on display but 3/4 of everthing is temporarily out of stock with 100% of what we wanted not available. No wonder the parking lot was empty. A real waste of time.

I would say last year and this year the boat show would be like 10% on display with 100% unavailable and taking deposits for build slots the next model year.


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[sandm]

I would say last year and this year the boat show would be like 10% on display with 100% unavailable and taking deposits for build slots the next model year.

only to put a deposit on a boat and have your dreams crushed with a 10% price increase after the fact ;)

[SONIC]

I would say last year and this year the boat show would be like 10% on display with 100% unavailable and taking deposits for build slots the next model year.


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You forgot the 40% 2023 covid markup putting a budget boat into the same price range as a lot of peoples homes ;)

[MJHSupra]

Nashville show would have been this weekend but cancelled - no inventory.

Yesterday I friend just texted me the same info after I posted this. Weird that we just started 2022 and you seen an update "Coming 2023 . ."
Bum deal.


https://www.nashvilleboatshow.com/


https://www.atlantaboatshow.com/

[haknslash]

Ours still shows it on their website. It’s scheduled towards the end of the month so it could be canceled I suppose due to Covid. http://www.birminghamboatshow.com/

I agree with others though and it would likely be a waste of time from supply chain delays and low inventories. Used market will probably be on fire again next year.

[HFarr]

Maybe iboats, onlyinboards, boats.com, etc...should schedule their own boat shows [emoji848]

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[Pnut80]

Birmingham , Al is jan. 22nd. Skiers is saying they will have 3 boats on Display. Hoping to put a deposit sown on a build then for 2023

[RUGER761]

Our boat and travel show is still scheduled for the end of the month. We'll see what all is there. I know the RV dealers have a decent amount of inventory now. Not sure about the marine dealers.

[brad460]

Looks like the Milwaukee show is still a go for the 3rd week of Jan. Dealers representing Moomba, Supra, Tige and many others will be in attendance (according to dealer posts/emails).

It will be interesting to see what’s at the show.

[MJHSupra]

Post up any information you hear. Boat shows are always a great place to ask some questions to any of the brands . . . if you talk to the right person.

[Jon]

Come see Moomba and Supra at the Cincinnati Boat show this weekend. I'll be there Friday and Saturday to help support our dealer, Sea Ray of Cincinnati.

[HFarr]

Hmmm....how many hours is that from Blackshear GA? [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]

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[haknslash]

Looks like our dealer Skiers Marine is now moving the boat show to their Westover dealership location and no longer at the Birmingham Boat Show at the BJCC. Likely due to COVID changes at BJCC is my guess.

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[MJHSupra]

Come see Moomba and Supra at the Cincinnati Boat show this weekend. I'll be there Friday and Saturday to help support our dealer, Sea Ray of Cincinnati.

Cool. How many Supra and Moomba boats will be there?

[Mobius22]

Birmingham show is cancelled

[KnoxMojo]

Birmingham show is cancelled

How about some good news every now and then? Lol

[Jon]

Cool. How many Supra and Moomba boats will be there?

At least one of each brand. Not exactly sure on the models.


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[MJHSupra]

Birmingham show is cancelled

Dang . . . . on the good side for your team, one less trip and less expenses. So does that get factored into the 2023 pricing? ha ha

[kimonlope]

That sucks. They had a good show to look around.
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Thanks for the info.


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Thats the point... Sab but true

[MJHSupra]

I’m thinking one more little option to get it over that hump.

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[MJHSupra]

When I noticed the SL online, I assumed it was the 550, but I was wrong.

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[haknslash]

^^WOW!! At first I thought that was some Canadian ad or something. Yea I’ll never be able to afford a new Supra. Hell even the new Moomba’s are getting up there! Glad I got into the boat when I did.

[larry_arizona]

At least they are offering a 14-16% discount.


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[bergermaister]

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I climbed around in this one on Friday and drooled on several others. Crazy money. Standing next to one sitting on the trailer feels like standing next to a ship compared to my 2001…. Maybe in the next life or when climate change extends our season a few months longer.

[larry_arizona]

Curious if that boat show pricing is before or after the mid season price increase.


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[KnoxMojo]

I am priced out, which sucks to have to admit. We will be keeping my old hooptie for a long time! Thankfully I got that new Vee drive ratio under warranty!! In 3 short years, a new well optioned Moomba is more than I paid for a new SA, crazy!!

[larry_arizona]

I am priced out too.


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[eder10986]

Wowwwww. Likewise!

We got our ‘17 SA 400 in Nov 2020 for 85k with 320 hours.

Great deal at that time.

Looking at keeping our for the long run!!!


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[MJHSupra]

Mojo stepping up in CO.

More than I know what peeps paid for a SA not too long ago.

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[larry_arizona]

Mojo stepping up in CO.

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Does moomba offer factory window tint now?


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[mjb929rr]

Does moomba offer factory window tint now?


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They have a tint guy at Rocky Mountain that does it in house. I didn’t have them do mine only because I already have someone that does our business graphics that’s going to take care of it.

[MJHSupra]

They have a tint guy at Rocky Mountain that does it in house. I didn’t have them do mine only because I already have someone that does our business graphics that’s going to take care of it.

Cool to be able to offer that.


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[larry_arizona]

Mojo stepping up in CO.

More than I know what peeps paid for a SA not too long ago.

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About $30k more than I paid for my 2018 SA new and honestly that isn’t too far off what I paid for my 2021 SA new.


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[Schlanseay]

Our dealer has started setting up for the Minneapolis boat show this weekend along with our other MFGR dealers. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220117/59e377f3ee3acaca5145ae58b400e76d.jpg


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[KnoxMojo]

About $30k more than I paid for my 2018 SA new and honestly that isn’t too far off what I paid for my 2021 SA new.


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I know people that bought new 21 SLs for low 130s. These prices are crazy. The greed will soon backfire and they'll be stuck with inventory, everything will even out.

[mjb929rr]

I know people that bought new 21 SLs for low 130s. These prices are crazy. The greed will soon backfire and they'll be stuck with inventory, everything will even out.

You can still buy a 2022 sl for 135 at my dealer. It will be base model however. It seems like where they are getting the price at is options. We added essentially 75k just in options.

[larry_arizona]

You can still buy a 2022 sl for 135 at my dealer. It will be base model however. It seems like where they are getting the price at is options. We added essentially 75k just in options.

I think Knox was talking about fully optioned 21SL400

My comparison was an all boxes checked 21SA400


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[KnoxMojo]

I think Knox was talking about fully optioned 21SL400

My comparison was an all boxes checked 21SA400


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Yes sir, boat totally loaded, 2 sets tower speakers, loungers, heaters, all the lighting and clamping racks. Fairly base trailer.

And I am talking about greed across all brands, not just skiers. But if rich surf dads are going to pay, they will keep upping the barrier to entry on new "budget" boats.

[MJHSupra]

Noticed a 2022 Heyday online the other day. I do not follow them from year-to-year on pricing, but it was the WT-Surf listed at $86k, so that is creeping closer to the $100K mark . . . and it still has the funky looking bow and bathtub seating in the back.

[MJHSupra]

On the opposite end,

A 2022 Naut G23 was MSRP for $274 and the Boat Show price was $232.
A 2022 MC X24 was MSRP for $309 and the Boat Show price was $234.

I did not see anything on the BUs, like the M240. Noticed a 2021 Axis A22 for around $93 - thought it was 'different' to have a 21 at the 2022 boat show. I think the recent Cincy boat show had some models.

[sandm]

if interest rates climb as predicted, 1-2 years will be the death of these. I go back to my prior statement that they will never backpeddle on pricing BUT will eventually introduce "new" models at a lower pricepoint. 130k for a mojo that was 90k all day a year ago is insane.
me thinks a lot of people are going to be stuck in boats they are WAY upside down in around 2024-2025.
not to mention gas pricing this summer is poised to be spensive.

[Zog]

if interest rates climb as predicted, 1-2 years will be the death of these. I go back to my prior statement that they will never backpeddle on pricing BUT will eventually introduce "new" models at a lower pricepoint. 130k for a mojo that was 90k all day a year ago is insane.
me thinks a lot of people are going to be stuck in boats they are WAY upside down in around 2024-2025.
not to mention gas pricing this summer is poised to be spensive.

They are over $6/gallon at Lake Powell currently. Really not looking forward to putting the 300+ gallons in the houseboat this summer, assuming there is water!

You are totally right that they will kill these models in favor of "budget" models though. Reset with economy features and then gradually add back options. I don't see how they hit that price though. That would be EVERY option in the builder.

[zabooda]

if interest rates climb as predicted, 1-2 years will be the death of these. I go back to my prior statement that they will never backpeddle on pricing BUT will eventually introduce "new" models at a lower pricepoint. 130k for a mojo that was 90k all day a year ago is insane.
me thinks a lot of people are going to be stuck in boats they are WAY upside down in around 2024-2025.
not to mention gas pricing this summer is poised to be spensive.

Agreed, since 2002 I've never seen price reductions on the Moombas. During slow times, I assume SC cuts production in lieu of a pricing cut. Used boats is another thing where pricing is it.

[mgswake]

Used pricing is what drove me to put a deposit on a new boat. I didn't think I would ever order a new boat at these prices pre-pandemic, now they are even crazier in my opinion. But, everything 3-5 years old and newer is listed at or more than MSRP. and we now darn well those boats were not purchased at MSRP. It's a great time to sell, not the best time to be looking for a new boat (or used).

[HFarr]

Used pricing is what drove me to put a deposit on a new boat. I didn't think I would ever order a new boat at these prices pre-pandemic, now they are even crazier in my opinion. But, everything 3-5 years old and newer is listed at or more than MSRP. and we now darn well those boats were not purchased at MSRP. It's a great time to sell, not the best time to be looking for a new boat (or used).Exactly right IMO


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[Ironcross25]

Used pricing is what drove me to put a deposit on a new boat. I didn't think I would ever order a new boat at these prices pre-pandemic, now they are even crazier in my opinion. But, everything 3-5 years old and newer is listed at or more than MSRP. and we now darn well those boats were not purchased at MSRP. It's a great time to sell, not the best time to be looking for a new boat (or used).

Exactly what I did. Sold our old boat end of summer for almost 10k more than I paid for it 5 years ago. Crazy. Take delivery of the new mojo in a few weeks.


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[Jason1975]

I agree. The boating market is going to take a HUGE dive at some point. When rates rise, gas goes higher etc... the market will have a lot of used boats at some point. It may take a year or three, but everything is going against common sense right now and everything is going against the recreational market.

Same with snowmobiles, ATV's etc... I was gonna update my sled this year but the sled i wanted was listed at $20k????? WHAT? for maybe using it 6-8 weekends a year. Its gonna come crashing down at some point Once rates rise, supply chain improves and people start moving again.

[MJHSupra]

It will be interesting to see if there are any 22s left over in August when the 23s are coming out. I'm assuming some customers are trying to get out of their POs after the add'l price hike news, so will the market have someone waiting to get that slot? Probably yes in 22.

Dealers having left-over models is good for us. Bigger discounts on that margin to move inventory. Good sign purchased prices are leveling off.

Should also be interesting to see the 2023 SE pricing if that model is redesigned this upcoming year. 21 vs 22, then 22 vs 23.

[larry_arizona]

It will be interesting to see if there are any 22s left over in August when the 23s are coming out. I'm assuming some customers are trying to get out of their POs after the add'l price hike news, so will the market have someone waiting to get that slot? Probably yes in 22.

Dealers having left-over models is good for us. Bigger discounts on that margin to move inventory. Good sign purchased prices are leveling off.

Should also be interesting to see the 2023 SE pricing if that model is redesigned this upcoming year. 21 vs 22, then 22 vs 23.

Very curious how many will back out.

I would think most who ordered a 22 model sold their previous whip, so the choice is

1) Exit the sport all together
2) Pay the increase.

I don’t see prices or demand decreasing enough to make financial sense. Factor in rising interest rates, buy now or else it’s only going to cost you more.


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[mjb929rr]

When we secured our 22 build spot in April we built a couple boats just to get an idea on cost. We built an sl and se as we weren’t sure what the new sl would be as it wasn’t released. Between then and when we did the actual build in august the price ended up being 25k more than what either Of those were.
At that point we were already mentally committed and went ahead and did it. Our main reason for upgrading was for the 550 and thrusters. We feel we did it right this time And plan to hold on to this one for several years.
We traded our 20 sl450 in and it’s sitting on the lot for slightly more than we paid for it new.

[Ironcross25]

Was lucky to get a spot for a 22 spot when we ordered in august. She’s almost done and on her way to the dealer!!!
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[haknslash]

Careful posting those pics from the factory. Lovely boat and congrats! It’s going to look real nice on the water. 👍

[mgswake]

My deposit is for a 2023 SL. The dealer didn't have any build spots left/available for 2022. Hopefully, I will have a boat by mid to late July. I did call yesterday to see if they can get a build slot from another dealer or if someone backed out, but nothing open yet. Was hoping to be on the water by spring. At this point I just have to wait and be patient.

And to the original point. It's a bummer all the shows are getting canceled. Hopefully, we get out of the pandemic and as Covid becomes endemic, things will calm down and get better/closer to how we were. Maybe companies will even develop new processes or staffing policies that will be better than before. One can only hope.

[Holdmybeer]

Was lucky to get a spot for a 22 spot when we ordered in august. She’s almost done and on her way to the dealer!!!
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That gold flake is baller.
It is going to look great in the water

[russellsmojo]

So if a person was willing to sit out 12 months or maybe 24 ….would this spring be the “list it” time?


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[brad460]

Our dealer posted some pics from the Milw show that starts Friday- looks like they have 4-5 of each Moomba, Supra, Nautique, pontoons and others..

Looking at their website they have many 2022 Wakeboard boats (Moomba, Supra and others) in stock and for sale.

[larry_arizona]

Was lucky to get a spot for a 22 spot when we ordered in august. She’s almost done and on her way to the dealer!!!
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Sweet WHIP, looks like it’s in final inspection.


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[MJHSupra]

When we secured our 22 build spot in April we built a couple boats just to get an idea on cost. We built an sl and se as we weren’t sure what the new sl would be as it wasn’t released. Between then and when we did the actual build in august the price ended up being 25k more than what either Of those were.
At that point we were already mentally committed and went ahead and did it. Our main reason for upgrading was for the 550 and thrusters. We feel we did it right this time And plan to hold on to this one for several years.
We traded our 20 sl450 in and it’s sitting on the lot for slightly more than we paid for it new.

What state are you in and what model did you order? The 22s and the 550 power plant have some juice.

Noticed a few demo boats, once you add thrusters, triple axle trailer, and the 550, the MSRP really jumps up on those. Plus the price hikes.

I would have done the same once my mind is set.

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[MJHSupra]

And to the original point. It's a bummer all the shows are getting canceled. Hopefully, we get out of the pandemic and as Covid becomes endemic, things will calm down and get better/closer to how we were. Maybe companies will even develop new processes or staffing policies that will be better than before. One can only hope.

Agree 100%. Wish everyone was talking about cool new features instead of price hikes.

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[mjb929rr]

What state are you in and what model did you order? The 22s and the 550 power plant have some juice.

Noticed a few demo boats, once you add thrusters, triple axle trailer, and the 550, the MSRP really jumps up on those. Plus the price hikes.

I would have done the same once my mind is set.

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We ended up with a 22 sl550. Our home lake in Colorado is 5000’ elevation but we normally boat at a lake in Nebraska thar is 3000’. The problem is density altitude in the summer puts it closer to 5-6k. The 450 really was working with 900lbs lead and 10-12 adults. It would pull it but the rpms were high and it made it really noisy.

[Jon]

A few shows that are happening this weekend...

Cincinnati Boat Show
Milwaukee Boat Show
Minneapolis Boat Show
Premier Boating in house show (Grand Rapids MI area)

[MJHSupra]

A few shows that are happening this weekend...

Cincinnati Boat Show
Milwaukee Boat Show
Minneapolis Boat Show
Premier Boating in house show (Grand Rapids MI area)

Good news! Thanks for Posting.

I forgot the Cincy Show runs two weekends (Cool for Customers), more work for you guys.

[korey]

I think we're going to ride up to Cincy Saturday night for the show. That's always a good time to catch up with our Ohio based lake Cumberland friends. I haven't looked, hopefully Sea Ray of Cincy will have some SC boats there. I think my dealer (Denney) isn't participating in Louisville this year - that's next week.

[Ironcross25]

The Cleveland boat show is back at the ix center in march. I always liked it in January, gave you a boost when the weather sucks. I used to be a die hard snow skiers but kids and they sport doesn’t get any cheaper and I dislike the cold a little more each year. Lol.


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[RUGER761]

Tulsa Boat Sport and Travel show is scheduled January 31-Febuary 6th.

[Firsttimemoomba]

I just returned from the boat show and have a “hold” on a 2022 Moomba mojo. Really excited about the boat as this is our first entry into wake surfing boats…3 young kids but always owned fishing boats. I’ve had some tell me I’m better off going with a 2016-2019 Super Air Natique 230 or Supra 450 vs the brand new Moomba. Aside from the obvious peace of mind from a new boat and warranty, how else would you suggest to evaluate this decision? Price wise, there’s definitely options of plenty of very nice, low hours, boats that come in near the price of the new Moomba. In 3-5 years, I have to assume I’d be in a better financial position buying something used. The inflation of new boats right now is concerning. But I know that’s also driving used boats up too.
I’ve rambled long enough. Would welcome some input. This is all new to me. Thanks!!

[larry_arizona]

First off welcome and congrats on getting a wakeboat.

That said, if you are happy with the 22 mojo but want to save a lot of money, find a lightly used 2021 model as they are identical boats. The current generation mojo was released in 2021.

You can get into an older Supra 2018-2019 SA or SL for new mojo money.

What elevation do you boat at? This will dictate what engine option you will need.


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[HFarr]

Welcome and you are going to have a great time with your kids wakesurfing! I wish I had gotten my boat even sooner. My kids and their friends love it! The Mojo will do everything you need it to do. And do it very well. Are there better boats? Always! And I don't care what brand or model you get. Lots of different opinions on that subject for sure. You will find out that the setup is really more important on getting a good wave than the boat is. Once you get in the boat, there are tons of posts on here and lots of good people to help you get all that right. But rest assured that the Mojo is no joke. It is a very well respected surf boat. The whole Moomba line is.

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[Firsttimemoomba]

I am in Minnesota. So let’s call it zero elevation. Haha. The Moomba mojo is very impressive. But ones head definitely spins when all sort of other options are presented. Do new boat buys worry about the value falling sharply when production outpaces demand? Would have to believe that dah of reckoning is coming…which potentially bolsters the argument for slightly used…right? I have. I doubt all these boats can surf great but unfortunately I am not in a position to demo anything before having to pull the trigger…damn ice ��

[larry_arizona]

I am in Minnesota. So let’s call it zero elevation. Haha. The Moomba mojo is very impressive. But ones head definitely spins when all sort of other options are presented. Do new boat buys worry about the value falling sharply when production outpaces demand? Would have to believe that dah of reckoning is coming…which potentially bolsters the argument for slightly used…right? I have. I doubt all these boats can surf great but unfortunately I am not in a position to demo anything before having to pull the trigger…damn ice ��

At your elevation the 400/1.76 trans combo is more than enough.


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[MJHSupra]

The Cleveland boat show is back at the ix center in march. I always liked it in January, gave you a boost when the weather sucks. I used to be a die hard snow skiers but kids and they sport doesn’t get any cheaper and I dislike the cold a little more each year. Lol.


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Years ago we had many good times at the I-X Center and boat shows. Walking around all afternoon drinking big beers, climbing around boats, and boat-talking with other enthusiasts.

[mgswake]

IX center is a blast. I went to a sports show there when I was a kid. They had a hockey shooting area, field goal kicking, speed pitch. Just a blast for sports enthusiast.

[mgswake]

firsttimemoomba,

to be concise, used boats may be cheaper but in general, they are selling for more used than they were new due to the market. Also, new Moomba's are arguably better/more features than many 5+ year old premium brands. A 2022 Moomba has many of the same features of a 2015-2018ish Supra.

I typed out a much longer reply but it keeps getting blocked. It may be due to examples with pricing from online listings. Im not sure why it wont post.

[MJHSupra]

@FirstTimeMoomba

For Skiers Choice Boats (Moomba/Supra), they are not like Malibu/Axis or Mastercraft on the large number of boats they produce. Thus why used Skiers boats hold a better Used Value vs other boat makers.

The Moomba Mojo is a great starter boat. If you can find a 2021, that would be awesome, but the prices will also be high, and you have to be ready to act fast or you will loose the boat. So you have with weigh 21 vs 22 decision and price. Either way, your getting the warranty if you buy a 21 from the Original Owner (+1500 transfer fee). Once a boat is passed into the 3rd buyer, the warranty cannot be transferred.

Warranty and Dealer relationship are very important Something will break, as it does on all wake boats and these repair bills are not cheap w/o a warranty for items like new screens or the diag for electrical issue or ???

Luxury good. We are in weird times and peeps buying boats should expect to loose the depreciation when buying new and trying to sell/trade years later. Year one hits the hardest as one would expect. If you accept that in your decision process are in win/win situation.

[brad460]

Holy crap a Moomba Mojo at $130k is a great starter boat?! Starter to what, a yacht? :razz:

A 2004 Bayliner is a starter boat..

[mgswake]

Holy crap a Moomba Mojo at $130k is a great starter boat?! Starter to what, a yacht? :razz:

A 2004 Bayliner is a starter boat..

I was complaining to my wife back in 2019 that wakeboats were getting outrageously priced. This was before the pandemic. I think it is multifactorial, but one big reason is they are so cool and functional. You can use them for all watersports as well as just lounging in the cove or cruising around the lake. With the increased cool factor and technology features more new boat owners are attracted to wakeboats because they can use them for so many different things on the lake. And thus, there are different segments coming into the market with deeper pockets and good credit scores allowing for higher and longer loans. And increased pricing.

But, it's good for those getting into these boats because they are a fun boat to be whether first, second, third, or tenth boat.

[Firsttimemoomba]

Really appreciate the thoughts and opinions here. No doubt the piece of mind and dealer relationship is worthwhile. I’m not sure I want to burn that.
Since I’ve got experts here…thoughts on the 2020 Makai? Is that hull/design essentially unchanged into 2022? To a earlier posters comments, I did find a local makai priced similar to a new mojo. Weighing that option as well. There’s not a bad boat out there in this segment it would appear.

[mgswake]

@firsttimemoomba

This thread has basically gone off the rails. I am guilty as well with pricing comments and other random thoughts. I dont know anything about the Makai. I would suggest starting a new thread "2020 Makai vs 2022 Mojo" or something similar. Then it will be more streamlined to your specific questions. Not trying to be rude, just think it will be more beneficial for you.

[HFarr]

Really appreciate the thoughts and opinions here. No doubt the piece of mind and dealer relationship is worthwhile. I’m not sure I want to burn that.
Since I’ve got experts here…thoughts on the 2020 Makai? Is that hull/design essentially unchanged into 2022? To a earlier posters comments, I did find a local makai priced similar to a new mojo. Weighing that option as well. There’s not a bad boat out there in this segment it would appear.I have a 2021 Makai that I bought brand new last year. Other than the standard 400 motor, it's pretty well loaded out. I absolutely love it. If you want more room, it's a great boat. I think I bought the very last one before the prices went nuts, as I git out the door for only 97K after the dealer gave me a 13k discount. I don't think anything has changed on the Makai since 2020. As far as Makai vs Mojo goes, probably only real difference is size. You can option either out however you like.

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[brad460]

Went to the MKE show today- was really busy and tons of new boats and pontoons. I am not much of a picture taker, but took a few. The price of boats have become ridiculous..(as we all know).
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[brad460]

No deals on the Moombas…https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220123/2c15e9a0597ff1ebb8f0f2cb4233b945.jpg
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[HFarr]

Ain't that the truth!

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[haknslash]

Dayummmmm $281k after discount for that G lol. Yea this economy straight up sucks and that price may as well say $350k with how things feel today lol. Love the “payments as low as $1400k+”. Holy hell I couldn’t imagine laying that for a water toy. I had hoped after a few years with the Max I could upgrade into a Supra or something higher end but the way prices skyrocketed there’s no way in hell I’m paying the prices they’re asking even with a dealer discount. Just insane! Really it’s the same for anything these days in this shit economy. My truck is approaching 300k miles. The days of buying a truck for not too much money are lonnnng gone. Hell I was looking at crate motors on Summit just because that might be my best option and keep the ole girl when the motor goes but hell even replacement motors are expensive as hell now. Ugh depressed thinking about the inflation and supply chain shit.

[larry_arizona]

Dayummmmm $281k after discount for that G lol. Yea this economy straight up sucks and that price may as well say $350k with how things feel today lol. Love the “payments as low as $1400k+”. Holy hell I couldn’t imagine laying that for a water toy.

Yeah for 281k, I would be looking for a 2 year old Paragon.


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[HFarr]

Those prices make the Pavatti look more reasonable....which is crazy.

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[HFarr]

Hmmmm.......should I buy my family a new house to live in every day, or a boat just to use on the weekends during the summer? Hmmmm......

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[larry_arizona]

Those prices make the Pavatti look more reasonable....which is crazy.

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New Pavatis are $400k+


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[haknslash]

Are those little “winglets’ on the bottom front part of the hull on the Pavati, kind of like how the Supreme ZS series boats has?

[HFarr]

Probably something similar to Crownline's FAST Tab system. Fin Assisted Safe Turn. They have a vented slot with a fin in it located on the sides of the hull to help them plane out easier/quicker, and the fins help grip the water for a tighter turn. They do seem to work. I had one with it on there.
Everyone needs a "fancy patented feature"! LOL! I remember one of my older Kawasaki jetskis that had "KATS" , Kawasaki Assisted Trim System!

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[brad460]

I think a wakeboard boat at $280k begins to be too expensive even for rich folks to justify spending. Feels like this becomes an ultra rich persons boat (and ultra rich seem more into yachts then surfing). I don’t know…I could be wrong, but unless you inherited millions, people who earn enough money don’t seem dumb enough to spend $280k for an inland wakeboard boat.

[KnoxMojo]

It's not really about the payment for many, but how many years you pay on it. Most don't keep them but a couple years or so before buying new. It's like leasing a boat, then when they're done, they sell and just out their payments over how ever many years. Personally, we went the other way, keeping Ron for the long haul, so I refi down to 7 years at a crazy low rate, y'all don't want to know what my payment is. Lol

[larry_arizona]

I just recall the guy who had his Parvati sinking in front of his lake front home, driving his tricked out Truck and Jeep into the lake to try and pull his boat to shore, while his helicopter was in the garage of his home.

Plenty of rich people to buy these 250k+ boats.

https://youtu.be/NAqzD3iimLg

Plus interest rates are so freaking cheap right now. Makes a huge difference.


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[HFarr]

What a MO-RON!! LOL

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[larry_arizona]

What a MO-RON!! LOL

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Theory was insurance claim lol.


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[Tommy2slow]

I live in Canada. Same crazy high inflation the US is experiencing. Interest rates are climbing, prices for everything is going through the roof. This economy has little to do with who my prime minister is right now. No different in the US either. No matter if your president was red or blue or any other colour. This is a worldwide issue and no one leader of any country (okay, maybe China) has the power to turn this around overnight.

Just my $0.02

[Tommy2slow]

Sorry. The reply above was supposed to be to the comment earlier in this thread with a Mathew McConoaughey meme. Tapped “reply “ instead of “reply to quote” by mistake.

[brad460]

The American Rescue Plan Act of 2021 pushed us over the cliff and on the path to the inflation we are seeing…Paying folks to stay home hurt some suppliers…Anyways, we could all debate until blue in the face, but the current US admin bears some responsibility..

[Pnut80]

we were quoted around 110K for our mojo build this weekend at our in house boat show.

[2in2out]

I live in Canada. Same crazy high inflation the US is experiencing. Interest rates are climbing, prices for everything is going through the roof. This economy has little to do with who my prime minister is right now. No different in the US either. No matter if your president was red or blue or any other colour. This is a worldwide issue and no one leader of any country (okay, maybe China) has the power to turn this around overnight.

Just my $0.02

This is the most common sense, unbiased response on the whole forum.

Thank you Tommy.


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[zabooda]

This is the most common sense, unbiased response on the whole forum.

Thank you Tommy.


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Too funny. Lol.

[MJHSupra]

This was a first for me, been wondering when I would see listings over $200k.

Noticed one today on a 2022 SL.

Killer color and I assume every option is checked, but dang - $200k???. Bums me out to see that as a 2018 SL owner.

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[larry_arizona]

This was a first for me, been wondering when I would see listings over $200k.

Noticed one today on a 2022 SL.

Killer color and I assume every option is checked, but dang - $200k???. Bums me out to see that as a 2018 SL owner.

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No thrusters, no deal!!! Lol


But seriously, how do you order a SL550 and skip thrusters??

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[mjb929rr]

Considering no thrusters and a base trailer he must have essentially paid msrp . We checked every box on our sl550 and paid about 15k less than that out the door.

[mgswake]

I don’t think the 18 month wait is accurate. I have a 23 build slot expected in July 2022. To me it seems a lot of sellers are using the price increase of the manufactures to justify high used prices.

[MJHSupra]

The post on FB was taken down. Not sure why, might have realized he was $15-20k off in pricing and trying to get MSRP for a fall 2022 boat.

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[MJHSupra]

But seriously, how do you order a SL550 and skip thrusters??

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So true!!! When every other box is probably checked. Ha ha ha.

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[MJHSupra]

I don’t think the 18 month wait is accurate. I have a 23 build slot expected in July 2022. To me it seems a lot of sellers are using the price increase of the manufactures to justify high used prices.Yep. He caught some funny comments on that one.

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[2in2out]

I know it’s dealer specific, but we ordered in late October, and spray date is Feb 7, delivery first week of March.

18 months is a far reach.


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[KnoxMojo]

Yep. He caught some funny comments on that one.

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Opens Facebook, throws out random numbers and non facts, sob story, don't want to sell but business opportunities/ lake down/ kids don't enjoy it. That's about how every for sale post reads. Be honest, you're wanting to capitalize on the market and make a quick buck. Lol

[larry_arizona]

I recall last year when I picked up my boat, sales manager said he had a buyer who wanted my boat for $10k more.

Not unusual at all that used boats are fetching higher prices, simple supply and demand.

Higher MSRP’s will drive higher used prices, perhaps by design. Nobody is going to buy a new boat at a higher MSRP after taking a 20k hit on selling their old boat.


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[MJHSupra]

It should be interesting to see how this plays out in boat market with money getting more expensive, unknown of gas prices this summer, and will people continue to 'feel rich'? Lots of jobs around and people are job-hopping to make higher salaries. Probably not going to be a quarter to look at 401k returns.

[mgswake]

I wanted to ask if the business opportunity was selling a boat for 20K profit? He is telling you exactly what his reason for selling is in the post. I try not to comment on pricing and reasoning on FB, people get so bent out of shape whenever you post anything they don't agree with. It's a public forum and people are going to have ideas that do not align with yours. If you don't want the feedback, then don't post on public forums. Pretty simple. Or, turn off commenting.

[MJHSupra]

I wanted to ask if the business opportunity was selling a boat for 20K profit?.

I was thinking the same, list high, settle lower, try to walk away with 15-20k. Work the crazy market.

I try to stay away from the commenting on prices on FBook. The hot rod and muscle car groups I belong to are worst than boaters.

Who knows, some folks might have paid MSRP or close to for their new boat. Yikes if so.


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[larry_arizona]

If we are all being honest, when it comes to spending disposable income on non essential toys, we all want the biggest bang for the buck, the art of the deal.

This current market is not going to support that ideal.


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[larry_arizona]

On a side note, we have 2 mastercraft dealers in my area and between both of them have 37 NEW 2022’s for sale.

Local Malibu dealer has 24 new Malibu/axis in inventory.

Also plenty of local inventory on Tige/ATX.

Only OEM’s with no inventory is SC and Nautique.


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[MJHSupra]

Probably the same around Knoxville. The local SC dealer has been putting more Supra/Moomba boats on the water each year - good to see.

The local MC dealer usually has boats for sale. They sold a lot of units in the past years.

The BU dealer, they switched owners/locations and are building up a new dealership over the last few years. From a drive-by, they never have too many boats sitting in the yard.

[larry_arizona]

Maybe Mastercraft and Malibu do less custom ordering and more dealer boats.

It’s been my opinion that dealers don’t do the best job picking color combos on boats.


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[2in2out]

I noticed the BU dealer not far from us had 10+ new boats delivered in factory wrap the other day. I can’t see that many custom builds delivered en mass like that. Especially when the dealership has a dirt lot for parking and inventory.


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[mjb929rr]

Maybe Mastercraft and Malibu do less custom ordering and more dealer boats.

It’s been my opinion that dealers don’t do the best job picking color combos on boats.


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I agree with that. I can’t imagine many people wanting to spend this kind of money on something that isn’t exactly what you want.

[cucv]

I was heading up skiing this weekend and saw a long line of boats getting towed to the Boston boat show. Just didn't seem right with snow flakes in the air and salty roads. I can't wait to see what's on display at the show.

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[MJHSupra]

Boston sounds like a good place to be able to look at some different style boats and sailboats.

[sandm]

Boston sounds like a good place to be able to look at some different style boats and sailboats.

this is why I loved the minneapolis boat show. wakeboats used to be the exception. it was mostly tooners and some monster cruisers...

[kavita]

Hey.
Returning to its original home at the Miami Beach Convention Center in 2022.. (https://clashbrawl.com/nulls-brawl/)

[Mxmark4]

Knoxville boat show is this weekend. About to head down there and see what they have.

[KnoxMojo]

Knoxville boat show is this weekend. About to head down there and see what they have.

Nice to finally meet y'all today.

[Mxmark4]

Nice to finally meet y'all today.

You too man! Lookin forward to getting together this summer!

[Mxmark4]

So after checking out all thebnew stuff at the boat show I realized I most likely wont be upgrading for quite awhile. Prices are insane! Got to check out some of the boats offered by tige which I hadnt seen since back in the day when I was in high school. Was really cool to see the stern shade on the se 550 and looking at the parts it looks like it could be an easy retrofit.

[cucv]

So after checking out all thebnew stuff at the boat show I realized I most likely wont be upgrading for quite awhile. Prices are insane! Got to check out some of the boats offered by tige which I hadnt seen since back in the day when I was in high school. Was really cool to see the stern shade on the se 550 and looking at the parts it looks like it could be an easy retrofit.Got any pics of the stern shade or other cool pics from the show? I was bummed no Moomba, Supra or Tige boats at the Boston show.

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[HFarr]

I picked my boat up today from being serviced at the dealer. They only had a couple of new Moomba and Supras. But right down the road I passed a Nautique dealer and it looked like they had over a dozen on the lot. Several still wrapped in plastic.

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[MJHSupra]

Was really cool to see the stern shade on the se 550 and looking at the parts it looks like it could be an easy retrofit.

The new shades are nice. I could not believe how sturdy those carbon fiber poles fit into the mounts. Solid. No play if you try to wiggle them around.

Retrofit - I was talking Skiers about that. The answer was NO. Apparently they reinforce the underside where the mounts attach into the boat with add’l fiberglass to support the stress from the poles.

Also asked if that was a dealer NO, how about a home garage project. Answer was not advisable b/c of the stress and potential for cracking fiberglass.

Also said you did not want to run past idle speed with them up.

Looking at the poles, they look expensive if you dropped one on the water.


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[Mxmark4]

Yeah the carbon fiber poles seemed a bit much. As thick as some of these decks are, and considering you dont use it while under underway ,I would think the stresses wouldnt be that bad. Its not like it was banko string tight on the boat. May have to see what access I have to the bottom of deck and see if its do able to beef it up.

[Guppydriver]

Utah Boat Show was awesome!! Jam packed.... Red states have some advantages for sure. No masks even!

Anyway, I always go to the boat show with full intent to buy, and this year was no exception. Money is no object for me.

This year I picked up...

1. Some jewelry cleaner
2. Some home fragrance plugin
3. Extra long, super tough, Iphone cord.


I actually did support a local custom board builder called MONO to the tune of almost a grand with a sweet case included. I love supporting local.

As far as boats go....I'm priced out too. My dream was to only hold on to my MB for two seasons and step up to either a 24 foot + Centurion or Supra (probably Supra because I want thrusters on a boat that big). Rumor has it MB might go with a 25 footer soon, but I can't see it having thrusters, and I really wanted to step up to a premium brand for my next whip.

It was humbling looking at a boat optioned out almost exactly like mine 10 months after I took delivery with a Boat Show price of around 30k more. Glad I bought when I did.