Flow 3 autowake settings

[Emilware]

The intention for this topic is to consolidate discussion regarding setting for Flow 3.
I have a 2021 mojo with Flow 3 and G6 ballast system.
I have to say that the yaw plates make a bid difference and change how much tap you need to run. Every post I see about Flow 2.0 says to run tap round 70. When I do that on my boat on either side I get dirty wake but at 25-35 the wake is clean.

Here are my settings.
Amplitude 100
Ballasts left 100
Ballast right 80-85
Ballast front 90
Pitch 8
Roll 3
Tap right 25
WakePlate 15-20
speed 10.2-10.6

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[Vanfamkaiyen]

The flow 3.0 (small tab) should not affect how much surf tab you use. It’s an automatic system that deploys proportionally with weight in the boat… uses the draft sensor… what do you have set for target roll? You should be able to get 100 percent ballast both sides, with your surf tab at 70 you should be able to achieve around 4 degrees roll. All the “3.0” tab does is add yaw which helps clean up the lip. With light displacement the tab may not even deploy at all.

I use the wake 9 settings and adjust speed and wake plate to my liking. Works perfectly every time! I will say I’ve had to re-calibrate the inclinometer a few times….

[Emilware]

The flow 3.0 (small tab) should not affect how much surf tab you use. It’s an automatic system that deploys proportionally with weight in the boat… uses the draft sensor… what do you have set for target roll? You should be able to get 100 percent ballast both sides, with your surf tab at 70 you should be able to achieve around 4 degrees roll. All the “3.0” tab does is add yaw which helps clean up the lip. With light displacement the tab may not even deploy at all.

I use the wake 9 settings and adjust speed and wake plate to my liking. Works perfectly every time! I will say I’ve had to re-calibrate the inclinometer a few times….

My target roll is set for 3.
I have tried 100 on both sides and tab on 70, 80,… and it was crap. Not until I dropped it down. Also according to moomba the yaw tab like you said deploys automatically when running in upper section of amplitude. And that is what I was running. The amplitude potential and actual with my settings were at the most top.

So do you have the Flow 3 on the mojo?


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[Vanfamkaiyen]

My target roll is set for 3.
I have tried 100 on both sides and tab on 70, 80,… and it was crap. Not until I dropped it down. Also according to moomba the yaw tab like you said deploys automatically when running in upper section of amplitude. And that is what I was running. The amplitude potential and actual with my settings were at the most top.


So do you have the Flow 3 on the mojo?

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Wake9.com
Read the 2 articles he wrote on this subject. Flow 3.0 isn’t just based off selected amplitude but your actual amplitude which is a function of the draft sensor (his draft sensor was installed too high) He’s been using the mojo all summer this year and had to adjust some things, he explains it all in detail in the articles. A roll of 3 degrees usually isn’t enough for goofy… with the surf tab at only 25 percent you’re almost doing it the old school way (pre surf system) and just listing the boat on the surf side… have you tried a roll of 4-5 degrees? That should allow you to switch between surf right and surf left with 0-1.5 degrees for regular which is perfect.

[Emilware]

I have to disagree with what you are saying about the roll and old school. I have a 2007 Tige and that is old school set up that requires ton of roll. The job of the surf taps is to alter the flow of water in the way to it creates a pocket. The Flow 3 tabs do the job of a surf gate and allows use less roll. My friend has a Malibu and his roll is 1 deg at most. He is also able to switch sides back and forth. This would not be possible by rolling the boat 3 - 4 deg.

Now back to mojo. I surfed my boat with flow 3 all weekend and the set up I posted works. It works even better with 100 left , 100 right and taps at 25- 30. If I try tap at 50 or higher there is not even a curl of the wake.

I’m also able to switch sides and get good wake on both sides. The goofy tap is at 40.


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[Emilware]

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[parrothd]

I have to disagree with what you are saying about the roll and old school. I have a 2007 Tige and that is old school set up that requires ton of roll. The job of the surf taps is to alter the flow of water in the way to it creates a pocket. The Flow 3 tabs do the job of a surf gate and allows use less roll. My friend has a Malibu and his roll is 1 deg at most. He is also able to switch sides back and forth. This would not be possible by rolling the boat 3 - 4 deg.

Now back to mojo. I surfed my boat with flow 3 all weekend and the set up I posted works. It works even better with 100 left , 100 right and taps at 25- 30. If I try tap at 50 or higher there is not even a curl of the wake.

I’m also able to switch sides and get good wake on both sides. The goofy tap is at 40.


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The tabs allow less roll when idle but when surfing you need roll.

[Vanfamkaiyen]

I have to disagree with what you are saying about the roll and old school. I have a 2007 Tige and that is old school set up that requires ton of roll. The job of the surf taps is to alter the flow of water in the way to it creates a pocket. The Flow 3 tabs do the job of a surf gate and allows use less roll. My friend has a Malibu and his roll is 1 deg at most. He is also able to switch sides back and forth. This would not be possible by rolling the boat 3 - 4 deg.

Now back to mojo. I surfed my boat with flow 3 all weekend and the set up I posted works. It works even better with 100 left , 100 right and taps at 25- 30. If I try tap at 50 or higher there is not even a curl of the wake.

I’m also able to switch sides and get good wake on both sides. The goofy tap is at 40.


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Sorry but you’re wrong about what flow 3.0 is and does. I’ve had it explained to me by the guys at skiers choice. I called them. No wonder why you keep calling them Taps… you had a tige….
Again, read those articles by wake 9 if you’d like to learn… or don’t….
Also the job of the surf tabs is to create lift on the opposite side you surf on, your boats hull creates the wave, the yaw tab (3.0) creates yaw which moves the rooster tail away from your wave which in turn cleans it up. The 3.0 doesn’t make you need less roll.. half the time it’s not even deployed. You’re likely dirtied up cause you don’t have enough roll in… also these aren’t Malibu’s or tiges, who cares what your buddy does on his Malibu. If you have your MOOMBA set up properly you will be about 70 goofy with around 4 degrees roll, 60 regular with 0 to -1.5 roll switch back and forth all day long. Again if you want to really learn about moomba/Supra boats and forget about tige or Malibu then I highly suggest watching the wake9 videos for in depth explanation!

[Emilware]

So do you have a boat with Flow 3 or not? And if so then what settings are you using?
I too talked to SC and I’m basing everything on what I see.
I also don’t get why would you insinuate that I’m clueless just because I had a Tige before.
Also, if you read wake 9 article you would see that he is also saying that 0 or -1 roll with Flow 3 on regular side.


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[Emilware]

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[Vanfamkaiyen]

Picture the wake with settings as saluted above
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This wave is terribly dirty! Use moomba settings

[Vanfamkaiyen]

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You’re proving my point. Use his settings surf tab 70, 4.0-5 roll goofy. Surf tab 60, 0 to -1.5 roll regular.

[Emilware]

I did have a -1 roll and that is what I got. The tab on 30. Any higher and it got dirtier and unsurfable.
The whole idea behind this post is to sort out whether something is of with the factory setting or on issue with the build.


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[Vanfamkaiyen]

I did have a -1 roll and that is what I got. The tab on 30. Any higher and it got dirtier and unsurfable.
The whole idea behind this post is to sort out whether something is of with the factory setting or on issue with the build.


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That’s why I told you to read the wake9.com articles!! There was something off on his boat and he found the fix. The factory default tab settings,70/60 should yield a good clean wave. Surf tab of 30 is way too low. If you haven’t already the first place I’d look is the inclinometer, might need to recalibrate.. inclinometer app with your phone in the middle of the floor just in front of the T-handle access can help to double check your actual pitch and roll numbers while your surfing. I’ve had to adjust mine a few times.

[Vanfamkaiyen]

I did have a -1 roll and that is what I got. The tab on 30. Any higher and it got dirtier and unsurfable.
The whole idea behind this post is to sort out whether something is of with the factory setting or on issue with the build.


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What was your starboard ballast at while surfing regular?

[Emilware]

It started of at 100 but then autowake dropped it to 85. I tried Turing the auto wake off and keeping it at 100 but then didn’t seem to have the push


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[Vanfamkaiyen]

It started of at 100 but then autowake dropped it to 85. I tried Turing the auto wake off and keeping it at 100 but then didn’t seem to have the push


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After checking inclinometer, try putting your tab back to 60 with 100 percent ballast then try different degrees of roll to clean it up. We generally don’t mess with the tabs but rather target roll. Turn autowake on and off to check actual pitch and roll numbers. Lead will become useful to help achieve the same wave every time. After practice I got to the point where I made a great wave every time, never having to ever move my lead, but there’s a bit of a learning curve getting used to the system
The wake 9 videos helped me the most. Might take a few trips but you’ll get it down in no time. Again as long as your calibration is good, you shouldn’t have to mess with the tabs from their default settings.

[Emilware]

That is the frustrating part. I did exactly that. I also had 2 guys with 2021 Supra’s SA and SE.
we checked the calibration we also reset the tabs for roll and yaw.
Gonna call SC and the dealer to see what they have to say.
Thanks for your help. If you come up with anything else please let me know.


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[SONIC]

Just a thought but try speeding up. 10.x is too low you should be running 11-11.5 mph.
Wake9 is running at 11.4 with his settings

[jnr4817]

My 2018 uses these settings.
All bags full and move lead to get pitch and roll. Flow 2.0.
9* pitch, -3* roll, surf left stbd tab 55, 11.2-11.6
9* pitch, +3* roll, surf right port tab 80, 11.0-11.6

I do not have an inclinometer or autowake, but with the phone app and 2-axis level I’ve got the wave dialed and is repeatable.

[Emilware]

Just got off the phone with Skier’s Choice. And after going over all of the numbers they suggested to take the bot back to the dealer to teat all actuators and attachments …
According to SC the setting which I had should have worked.

My dealer is closed today so more to follow tomorrow.


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[Emilware]

So the investigation and hunt for the resolution continues.
I called my dealer today and as I
Was expecting, the told Me to bring the boat and it’s going to be a week. [emoji53]

So I did more digging. I have watched every video and read post I could find pretending to autowake, Flow 2.0 and flow 3.

Interestingly enough when watching YouTube videos by Moomba Boats, which as I know is the manufacture, https://youtu.be/btq6hr04nLs
I have noticed that right tab setting and speed closely match the settings I’m having to use to produce a wake and they are far off from the mfg presents. See for yourself

It’s like I’m chasing a ghost. Frankly, I just want to confirm that there is nothing wrong with my boat, and that it does what is supposed to.
I’m calling SC tomorrow.

PS. I dry tested all tab actuators yesterday and they seem to work well. Outside of a reset I was unable to actuate the Yaw plates.

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[Josh828]

ballast 100%
pitch for 10.5*
wake plate 0
speed 11.6mph
Goofy tab 70
port tab 60

Then move passengers or weight around until you have 0-1*of roll on port side. When you switch the side roll should be 4*. But you need to sit your passengers where you can switch the surf side back and forth and get the correct roll numbers. Once pretty close you can turn on your auto wake.

I know I have the flow 2.0, however the big thing no one is mentioning is weight. Until you get 5+ people in the boat the wave is terrible.

Also small side note is when ever auto wake says your potential is higher than your actual you are having some user error.

[parrothd]

ballast 100%
pitch for 10.5*
wake plate 0
speed 11.6mph
Goofy tab 70
port tab 60

Then move passengers or weight around until you have 0-1*of roll on port side. When you switch the side roll should be 4*. But you need to sit your passengers where you can switch the surf side back and forth and get the correct roll numbers. Once pretty close you can turn on your auto wake.

I know I have the flow 2.0, however the big thing no one is mentioning is weight. Until you get 5+ people in the boat the wave is terrible.

Also small side note is when ever auto wake says your potential is higher than your actual you are having some user error.

Also, you need at least 10 feet water, anything less and your our of luck.

[parrothd]

So the investigation and hunt for the resolution continues.
I called my dealer today and as I
Was expecting, the told Me to bring the boat and it’s going to be a week. [emoji53]

So I did more digging. I have watched every video and read post I could find pretending to autowake, Flow 2.0 and flow 3.

Interestingly enough when watching YouTube videos by Moomba Boats, which as I know is the manufacture, https://youtu.be/btq6hr04nLs
I have noticed that right tab setting and speed closely match the settings I’m having to use to produce a wake and they are far off from the mfg presents. See for yourself

It’s like I’m chasing a ghost. Frankly, I just want to confirm that there is nothing wrong with my boat, and that it does what is supposed to.
I’m calling SC tomorrow.

PS. I dry tested all tab actuators yesterday and they seem to work well. Outside of a reset I was unable to actuate the Yaw plates.

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Shouldn't the roll be greater than -.5? Like -3 and plus 5, not sure what the defaults are for your boat.

[Emilware]

ballast 100%
pitch for 10.5*
wake plate 0
speed 11.6mph
Goofy tab 70
port tab 60

Then move passengers or weight around until you have 0-1*of roll on port side. When you switch the side roll should be 4*. But you need to sit your passengers where you can switch the surf side back and forth and get the correct roll numbers. Once pretty close you can turn on your auto wake.

I know I have the flow 2.0, however the big thing no one is mentioning is weight. Until you get 5+ people in the boat the wave is terrible.

Also small side note is when ever auto wake says your potential is higher than your actual you are having some user error.


ballast 100%
pitch for 10.5*
wake plate 0
speed 11.6mph
Goofy tab 70
port tab 60

Then move passengers or weight around until you have 0-1*of roll on port side. When you switch the side roll should be 4*. But you need to sit your passengers where you can switch the surf side back and forth and get the correct roll numbers. Once pretty close you can turn on your auto wake.

I know I have the flow 2.0, however the big thing no one is mentioning is weight. Until you get 5+ people in the boat the wave is terrible.

Also small side note is when ever auto wake says your potential is higher than your actual you are having some user error.

Thank you. This make a lot of sense. I’m gonna try that. The 5 people comment is very interesting. Typically it me 210#, my wife 110#, my daughter 110# and 2 small kids 40# each.
Total about 500#.


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[Emilware]

Also, you need at least 10 feet water, anything less and your our of luck.

I’m typically in 20 +.


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[Emilware]

Shouldn't the roll be greater than -.5? Like -3 and plus 5, not sure what the defaults are for your boat.

The recommended and default are different.
Recommend is —0.5 to -1 on regular side but the default is -3. Goofy recommend is 4 and default is 3. Pitch default is 8


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[sleek98]

Thank you. This make a lot of sense. I’m gonna try that. The 5 people comment is very interesting. Typically it me 210#, my wife 110#, my daughter 110# and 2 small kids 40# each.
Total about 500#.


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I run the same flow 3 on our mojo.

Are you manually venting the rear bags? I am sure there is a reason for the vent to be at the bottom of the bag, however until I added a vent to the top there was always 10-15% of the rear section of the bag full of air that i had to burp out with the screw vent on top. There has been a couple other guys that were having the same issue as well. It will show as full on the sensor but it was not. Second when you get out of the boat to surf you just dropped the weight in the boat by 200#, leaving you around 300# plus the factory bags, which may or may not be 100% full.

I had the same issue, it was my wife 140# and 2 kids totaling 100#. When I (200#) jumped out I couldn't surf. We added 500# of lead and it helped her go ropeless, but I was just on the verge. We had a 3 of her family members come out with us and it was much better so we added another 1,100# of midship bags and lead and it was insane. The 1,600# is not really needed as I could have gotten away without the last 500# of lead, but I got it for super cheap from someone locally so I said why not. I take it out close to the weight of people when we do have other come with us. this way the way stays really consistent for us.

I think with 300# of crew you are going to want another 750# of ballast.

[Hayden]

I think with 300# of crew you are going to want another 750# of ballast.

I agree but I would grab 1000 lbs if he's normally going to surf with the family crew he described.

[Bigs28]

Like said before, i now check my rear bags everytime. The screen will tell me 100 but they are not close. Usually soft and 10% plus air. Last time out all bags said 100 but rear starboard was flat. Nothing in it. Everytime i vent and toggle the switch off an on till they are hard and water is going out there overflow on the sides. Im also aiming for 10-11 pitch and 0 to neg1 roll for regular side. I still have not used auto wake because everytime i do it actually seems to ruin my push.

[Emilware]

Like said before, i now check my rear bags everytime. The screen will tell me 100 but they are not close. Usually soft and 10% plus air. Last time out all bags said 100 but rear starboard was flat. Nothing in it. Everytime i vent and toggle the switch off an on till they are hard and water is going out there overflow on the sides. Im also aiming for 10-11 pitch and 0 to neg1 roll for regular side. I still have not used auto wake because everytime i do it actually seems to ruin my push.

I just ordered some vents and check valves to elevate the air in the bags. I do agree With the 10-15% of air in the bags. Cannot wait for the weekend to try it. Im also going to try to run with additional people on board.
I will try taking good pics of the wake.
Thanks for the help guys.


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[Emilware]

I just ordered some vents and check valves to elevate the air in the bags. I do agree With the 10-15% of air in the bags. Cannot wait for the weekend to try it. Im also going to try to run with additional people on board.
I will try taking good pics of the wake.
Thanks for the help guys.


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So the vents I order came in and it is a game changer. No more burping, bags fill up all the way and it took 5 min to install. I did order the 1in instead of 3/4 so I had to use a reducer but new once will be here tomorrow. Either way, they still work great.

Furthermore, the setting which I was running were good, especially with full bags and more people on the boat everything really came to life.
This boat is absolutely amazing and the wake is awesome. 40 tab on regular side and 70 on goofy and the bot does the rest.
What I noticed was that more weight I had in the boat, the greater the offset was on the tab.
So the setting was still showing me that I’m setting it to 40 but the the actual was showing 50 or 60 when we had people on board.

On the flip side, once there was only 2 of us the set was still at 40 but the actual would show 30.

The shape of the wake great the entire time, but it obviously had more push when running with additional people on board.

To summarize it. Weight in the hot changes a lot but autowake rocks!!!

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[HFarr]

Sleek98,
You are correct in your statement of "Second when you get out of the boat to surf you just dropped the weight in the boat by 200#". Except in my case it's about 240lbs. I surf goofy, and set up my wave to look "just right", and then put my wife at the wheel and said pull me up. She did and I couldn't get any good push out of it. We had a very light crew, only 4 of us. I was like "what the hell? That wave doesn't seem the same. Well, your statement I think is dead on!

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