2019 Makai (Rough Water)

[MonctonR1]

We considering a Makai for our next boat to replace a Yamaha 23ft Wake. Kids really getting into the Surf game and just doesnÂ’t work well with a Jet.

Questions:

We are mostly on big water (Lake Ontario) how will the Makai handle in the big water?

The used 2019 were looking at has 175hrs is that avg or should I be concerned?

[larry_arizona]

Most wakeboard are not good on rough water.

If I had to buy a boat for rough water like the Great Lakes, I would look into a Centurion due to a V hull.


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[dakota4ce]

Makai is a nice big dry boat. Does well. Flatter deadrise but beautiful wakeboard wake as a result.


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[larry_arizona]

https://boardcoboats.com/centurion/centurion-technology/opti-v-hull/


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[Guppydriver]

Most wakeboard are not good on rough water.

If I had to buy a boat for rough water like the Great Lakes, I would look into a Centurion due to a V hull.


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I agree with Larry.

I was on Powell once when it got pretty sporty. I was in my friends Ri237 and we had another friends MC X24 behind us (with the Centurion mitigating much of the chop). The MasterCraft couldn't keep up. The deep V hull thing is not just marketing, it made a difference. Now that same hull can be a liability in shallow water due to excessive draft, but in your "lakes" the Centurion would give you a noticeably better ride. I'm just not sure it would be 40-50k better.

[Guppydriver]

MB has a pretty deep hull as well at a much better price point (probably close to exactly what a Makai goes for). I know there is limited dealer support though (although Michigan has a great dealer I hear), but it could be a good compromise.

[sandm]

our first tige drafts as much as the makai and it was pretty rough on the bay of green bay in 2ft chop. it was considered a deep v.
the centurion 237 I was on a month ago had no issues plowing over other wakes but it was far from a smooth ride so doubt it'll be mercedes vs fiat ride quality.

I'd agree with larry that these boats are not the best for big water swells.

[dakota4ce]

our first tige drafts as much as the makai and it was pretty rough on the bay of green bay in 2ft chop. it was considered a deep v.
the centurion 237 I was on a month ago had no issues plowing over other wakes but it was far from a smooth ride so doubt it'll be mercedes vs fiat ride quality.

I'd agree with larry that these boats are not the best for big water swells.

What Tige is a deep V?


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[smitty75]

We considering a Makai for our next boat to replace a Yamaha 23ft Wake. Kids really getting into the Surf game and just doesnÂ’t work well with a Jet.

Questions:

We are mostly on big water (Lake Ontario) how will the Makai handle in the big water?

The used 2019 were looking at has 175hrs is that avg or should I be concerned?

I spend a lot of time on Erie fishing, and couldn’t imagine having a wake boat there as you would be really limited on the days when the water would cooperate. Not sure how Ontario compares but I would think it’s similar. I’ve never recommended this before, but any thoughts on one of the new I/o’s with surf system? Or maybe hitting the smaller lakes in your area? I’m sure it’s doable though as we grew up wakeboarding on Erie, so if your set on an inboard I’d listen to the other recommendations.


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[larry_arizona]

Problem with the Great Lakes is how fast the conditions can change.

No way I would take my SA on the Great Lakes UNLESS it’s east or west grand traverse bay as you get some windbreak from land and can always hug the relatively shallow shoreline.

But even on grand traverse bay, you best watch the wind forecast and continually monitor it.

Wakeboats only need to take a few rollers over the bow to swamp them.


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[MonctonR1]

Problem with the Great Lakes is how fast the conditions can change.

No way I would take my SA on the Great Lakes UNLESS it’s east or west grand traverse bay as you get some windbreak from land and can always hug the relatively shallow shoreline.

But even on grand traverse bay, you best watch the wind forecast and continually monitor it.

Wakeboats only need to take a few rollers over the bow to swamp them.


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Thanks all... might be best to think about a VP fwd Drive as a better option.

[sandm]

What Tige is a deep V?


compare the 22/24ve hulls. they are very similar to the enzo and mb hulls where the vee carries all the way to the transom with a little different "hook" on the outside edges. have a passenger move from left to right when moving and you will feel the boat tip to one side or the other similar to your old mb. new tige's are not as pronounced due to the surf systems and sheer weight to sink it.
tige's ve series rough and tough weigh around 3-500lbs less than their mb/enzo counterparts so they don't draft quite as much and their theory was better fuel economy at cruising but that's debatable.

[dakota4ce]

Gotcha. I have never heard the V/Ve labeled as deep V before.

Moomba Mojo transom deadrise: 10.5 degrees
24Ve transom deadrise: 12 degrees
Centurion Ri transom deadrise: 20 degrees

Lotsa deep V runabouts hover in the 18-20 degree range I think.

I had a 24Ve for a couple years. That was a great boat!


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[MJHSupra]

I know that Centurion Ri is one of the deepest, but if you are spending that much money, I would look I/O. Moomba and Supra - no way.

Growing up on Lake Erie, season is short. Even shorter with you account for sunny days and 1-2' or 2-3' chop. It's still chop. To many NW and NE wind days. Thus why no dealers up there.

We used ski boats on inland lakes and the occasional early AM or later in the evening in Lake Erie.

Miss that lake but I get more water time in the south.

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[sandm]

I had a 24Ve for a couple years. That was a great boat!


what haven't you had?? :p

never see much conversation on the vp forward drive surf wakes. everyone is quick to point at heyday but wonder how the wake really is on some of the larger cobalts and do they lend themselves to additional ballast like wakeboats...
no expectation that it's in the same league as the wakeboats of today but wonder if they are decent for someone to play around on and enjoy.

[dakota4ce]

Either I am a pathological liar or I’ve had a whole bunch of boats! My first one was a 2006 24VE. Huge project and really nice boat. We cut our teeth on that bad boy and I modified the daylights out of it.

I was asked to the lake two summers ago to help a friend make his R6 cobalt work better. The bottom line is that it did not have nearly enough weight. So I brought all my sacks all my pumps and we loaded that thing down, and low and behold it put out an ice wave. I would say once it got heavy it needed to be tweaked on the propeller department. Which I suppose is no small proposition given that it has two of them.

Furthermore I think they have come a ways in the last couple years to make them work better. I think a guy could have plenty of success and fun using one. There are several on the lake at our place.


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[dakota4ce]

And also as an interesting sidenote, that day a snake came up on our boat out in the middle of the lake. That was not cool.


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[MJHSupra]

And also as an interesting sidenote, that day a snake came up on our boat out in the middle of the lake. That was not cool.


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[dakota4ce]

The sumbitch was swimming along 300 yards from any land. I didn’t identify the species but about crapped my board shorts when I went to the back of the boat. Then it got punted.


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[sandm]

there's posts weekly about guys seeing rattlers and bullsnakes swimming in mead. I don't EVER want to see one up there but I suspect it's bound to happen especially since we typically run the same area to surf and it's not too far off shore..

interesting on the vp. I'd have a hard time swallowing the pricetag pill for those vp boats as they are priced same or higher than a good wakeboat. other than bathroom on board, steering and possibly better chop ride not sure what else would be the attraction.

[bergermaister]

The sumbitch was swimming along 300 yards from any land. I didn’t identify the species but about crapped my board shorts when I went to the back of the boat. Then it got punted.


Stories like this are why I keep 1) a machete and 2) .45 on board. The wife no longer questions it after our rattler encounter last summer and that one was already dead.


You guys would love an old MobiusV in rough water. It's the ride of your life....

[tre]

I'm surprised at the responses here. I would have no worries at all taking my Supra SE on the great lakes. My SE handled some super rough days this year without any issues. I don't think a 23' to 25' I/O would have been better (with the exception of a center console boat made for the ocean). I had many I/O before I got into inboards. I don't think I'd worry about a Makai. That said, I'll add some caveats. Anyone who has been on the great lakes knows how fast a storm can whip up if you are way out. I would not take a wake boat way out. I'd stick close to the shore but that is likely where you would wakeboard and surf anyway. Here is the old model Supra SE on Lake Michigan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeWxB1n6-tE You can see they have no issues. That old model SE had a front end that was very low to the water too.

I'm shocked at the advice to get an I/O. Don't do it if you like surfing. They are not good for surfing. Likely as bad as your current boat. Maybe the I/O manufacturers will have perfected them 10 years from now but for now the inboard manufacturers have a massive jump on the I/O industry and the results are not even close.

I'm also somewhat shocked a the advice to get a Centurion. Centurion does have a deeper V but this costs. If you like to drive for your kids standing up, get a Centurion because you can't see when sitting down. Yes, you can adjust the weight so the bow rise is less but then the wake is no good. The bow rise is massive and you can't see where you are going. I suspect this is due to the V. The outside edges of the rear of the boat are a lot higher in relation to the center so the center must sink more to get the outsides edges to sink. I may have no idea what I'm talking about but I know it takes a lot more weight to sink a Centurion and the bow rise is horrible. Personally, I'd steer clear (and I did). I like the ramfill but the speed is useless since you have to wait for the other half of the ballast to be filled by pumps. In the end, Supra and Moomba fill just as fast. I looked very seriously at Centurion, Mastercraft, and Nautique before I purchased my latest Supra and I chose Supra. Not that it is right for everyone but I would not make the choice based on the great lakes.

The reality is that no inboard and no surf I/O will handle a storm on a great lake so don't get caught in one.

[larry_arizona]

I am not saying a Supra won’t work on the Great Lakes, had my SA out plenty on East and West Grand Traverse bay and to me, the prettiest water on earth.

As soon as winds are higher than 6mph, the chop is rough, 9mph it gets dangerous.

Supras/Moombas are not rough water boats.


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[MJHSupra]

My grandfather opened a fish tackle shop as a retirement business in PA. Spent entire summers along the lake shore until college.

I spent two summers in high school as a 1st matte on fishing charter boats on Lake Erie. Granted that was 5 to 15 miles offshore, but love being on the lake. Wind blows everyday.

No way I would want my SL. Spend over $100k to have a boat not practical for the typical conditions.




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[Oldernotwiser]

My only comment is that the Supra SL handles rough water as well or better than a Centurion RI 237 (spend a lot of time on them.) and the SL doesn’t rattle or stand on end. That being said, would want neither 5 miles offshore in bad wind.

[Shoebox]

I'm also somewhat shocked a the advice to get a Centurion. Centurion does have a deeper V but this costs. If you like to drive for your kids standing up, get a Centurion because you can't see when sitting down. Yes, you can adjust the weight so the bow rise is less but then the wake is no good. The bow rise is massive and you can't see where you are going. I found that to be true of the Fi, but not the Ri. Big price difference though.


Personally, I'd steer clear (and I did). I like the ramfill but the speed is useless since you have to wait for the other half of the ballast to be filled by pumps. In the end, Supra and Moomba fill just as fast. This is 100% true.

The other drawback to the the Centurion deep draft is the possibility/likelihood of hydrolock if you stop and sit with full ballast for more than a couple minutes.

[sandm]

discussed the hydrolock issue when I was out a month ago with boardco. their take-and said they haven't had a single issue with it- are that the boats are designed for the ballast installed. if you add more on top that's where the issue comes in. surfing the ri there is no reason to add more weight. the wave was amazing with only 4 or 5 in the boat and factory but I get there are those that think another 2grand is what it needs.
they did say if you are going to add a bunch of lead or run with 15 in the boat, dump the ramfill before parking to swim. takes 30 seconds to drain/fill. leave the pnp as is. as they said, it's the one drawback to a boat that has 5000+lbs of factory ballast. we stopped several times to swap riders or pick up new peeps and they never drained.

bow rise was substantial in the couple I was in and especially when compared to the SL/SE(sorry, don't remember which) I got to spend the rest of the afternoon on. not as bad as 'bu's but still more than our tige or the supra. I had to stand to drive the ri237. was interesting that the sales girl never pointed that out as I stood and she talked up the boat. and I'm 5'11.