2019 Moomba max can not get good push

[nfelus17]

I bought a 2019 moomba max with all the upgrades. The wave looks amazing curling and all but can not find the push. My kids are 100lbs and they find it for maybe 5-10 seconds but I am 200lbs and can never find it. I can get up cut in and out with rope but can not drop. Rode behind a super air nautique and dropped no problem.

Do I need to get more ballast from wake makers? Will the extra 1200 bags be enough?

[Stazi]

If you can’t find the push on a Max there is something catastrophically wrong.

You sure you aren’t riding too far back on your board?

More ballast is always better, but what’s your ballast setup now?


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[nfelus17]

Stock 1000 bags in rear and 1000 in front. I have to remove air every time I fill the bags bc of not about 20 percent just fill with air.

[nfelus17]

Plus every time I use autowake it just flattens the wave

[htfit]

Adding midship bags will be a game changer. There are several different options from wakemakers.

- Buy the Wakemakers 2020 Moomba Max Rear Bags that are 1300 pounds and move your current rear bags to the midship.
Now you will have 1300lbs in each rear corner and 1000lbs mid ship. You will have plenty of potential weight to work with.

- Buy the Wakemakers 2019 Moomba Max upgrade kit. It includes 1200lb rear bags and 540lb midship if I remember correctly. This would be the most expensive option because you are replacing the rear 1000lb bags that you can no longer use.

- Keep your current rear bags and buy the Wakemakers Custom 720lb bags and they fit perfect midship.

It also really all depends if you have the rear locker trays or not. The wakemakers rear locker bags are too tall to use the drop in storage trays.

If I was starting fresh on my 2019 Max boat I would do the first option. Buy the 2020 Max 1300lb bags and move the current rear bags to the midship. Then I wouldn't have to worry about adding additional weight.

Any of the options will be good and be a major improvement.

There are several threads and posts that can help you get on the right track including this one that helped me tremendously in the beginning. https://forum.moomba.com/showthread.php?31541-Murder-Max-Mods

[rockymtnsurfer]

Adding midship bags will be a game changer. There are several different options from wakemakers.

- Buy the Wakemakers 2020 Moomba Max Rear Bags that are 1300 pounds and move your current rear bags to the midship.
Now you will have 1300lbs in each rear corner and 1000lbs mid ship. You will have plenty of potential weight to work with.

- Buy the Wakemakers 2019 Moomba Max upgrade kit. It includes 1200lb rear bags and 540lb midship if I remember correctly. This would be the most expensive option because you are replacing the rear 1000lb bags that you can no longer use.

- Keep your current rear bags and buy the Wakemakers Custom 720lb bags and they fit perfect midship.

It also really all depends if you have the rear locker trays or not. The wakemakers rear locker bags are too tall to use the drop in storage trays.

If I was starting fresh on my 2019 Max boat I would do the first option. Buy the 2020 Max 1300lb bags and move the current rear bags to the midship. Then I wouldn't have to worry about adding additional weight.

Any of the options will be good and be a major improvement.

There are several threads and posts that can help you get on the right track including this one that helped me tremendously in the beginning. https://forum.moomba.com/showthread.php?31541-Murder-Max-Mods


Hey there....I like your option 1 idea.....espicially being that I ordered the upgrade package and its back ordered for 3 weeks. I read the thread link and they discuss the 720's and I look at the web site for the 1300's......to be honest, after all the reading and vents and back flows......I am confused and not sure if its a easy set up or hard.

Maybe its just too early for me to think about it....and maybe not enough coffee yet, but I thought this idea of keeping the 1000's and putting mid ship could be a good idea.

I wish someone could draw a diagram of the set up so its more straightforward forward to view. Have you seen anything like this?

Thank you for your help
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[haknslash]

All of the Wakemakers kits for the Max are 1,345 rear bags, or at least they are these days on their site. When you option for 2018 or 2019 it says 1,885 lbs per side. When you do the same for the 2020 Max it says 1.345 per side because I believe they assume you’ve optioned your Max with the optional 500 lb midship bags.

Yes definitely upgrade your ballast because the boat needs more weight to sink and displace enough water to make anwwve have push. I had the same issue at 230 lbs and now we have push from the additional Wakemakers ballast.

As for the overflow vent on the midship, it’s not mandatory as I don’t currently have it on mine but it will likely make the pumps happier and allow the bags to fill easier and eliminate the need to burp the midship bags.

We don’t use autowake for surfing. I haven’t tried it with the new ballast but when we did try it with the stock ballast the wave wasn’t that great. Yes the thing was calibrated. Autowake is not quite what the name implies and it’s more of a tool to use for verifying you’re angles once you manually setup a wake you like you turn on autowake to see the pitch and roll angles and then you turn it off. Then you go into the settings and enter those values so next time in theory it can make the same wave. Read through the long autowake thread to understand it better. I think autowake works so long as you have enough weight in the boat either by people or ballast. Stock ballast and a light crew it doesn’t work great or st least for us and many others it seems.

As far as the bag install and diagrams there are some on here. Just search “Max ballast” and you should run across them. I have posted diagrams and others have too. I have a video of the install as well which will give you an idea what to do whether you use WM midship or reuse the factory ones. https://forum.moomba.com/showthread.php?35078-Momba-Max-Wakemakers-Bag-Buster-install-video

Here is a thread with some diagrams https://forum.moomba.com/showthread.php?33966-Max-Ballast-Questions

[Kirby]

Plus every time I use autowake it just flattens the wave

Many Max owners found autowake dumping too much ballast, turn it off unless your boat is full of people.

[Stazi]

All of the Wakemakers kits for the Max are 1,345 rear bags, or at least they are these days on their site. When you option for 2018 or 2019 it says 1,885 lbs per side. When you do the same for the 2020 Max it says 1.345 per side because I believe they assume you’ve optioned your Max with the optional 500 lb midship bags.

Yes definitely upgrade your ballast because the boat needs more weight to sink and displace enough water to make anwwve have push. I had the same issue at 230 lbs and now we have push from the additional Wakemakers ballast.

As for the overflow vent on the midship, it’s not mandatory as I don’t currently have it on mine but it will likely make the pumps happier and allow the bags to fill easier and eliminate the need to burp the midship bags.

We don’t use autowake for surfing. I haven’t tried it with the new ballast but when we did try it with the stock ballast the wave wasn’t that great. Yes the thing was calibrated. Autowake is not quite what the name implies and it’s more of a tool to use for verifying you’re angles once you manually setup a wake you like you turn on autowake to see the pitch and roll angles and then you turn it off. Then you go into the settings and enter those values so next time in theory it can make the same wave. Read through the long autowake thread to understand it better. I think autowake works so long as you have enough weight in the boat either by people or ballast. Stock ballast and a light crew it doesn’t work great or st least for us and many others it seems.

As far as the bag install and diagrams there are some on here. Just search “Max ballast” and you should run across them. I have posted diagrams and others have too. I have a video of the install as well which will give you an idea what to do whether you use WM midship or reuse the factory ones. https://forum.moomba.com/showthread.php?35078-Momba-Max-Wakemakers-Bag-Buster-install-video

Here is a thread with some diagrams https://forum.moomba.com/showthread.php?33966-Max-Ballast-Questions

Why is the (blue) overflow on the main rear bag so low? I would think it would be better to mount it to the top otherwise it’ll never completely fill the rear bag per this diagram.


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[htfit]

Why is the (blue) overflow on the main rear bag so low? I would think it would be better to mount it to the top otherwise it’ll never completely fill the rear bag per this diagram.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkIt is low because that is the factory position of the overflow. Factory uses vent caps at the top of the bag that slowly release the air. I would imagine they did that setup to eliminate hoses sitting on top of the bag.

I personally moved the vent line to the top of the bag which I think makes more logical sense. The only issue I ran into is when you have really tall bags the vent hose can get trapped between the bag and the side of the locker while filling. I had a vent hose pop off because it got pinched.

But I reran the vent hose and tied it with zips ties more in the center so it doesnt get caught between the side of the boat and the bag.

Hope that helps.

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[Stazi]

Makes sense I guess..I would reroute the overflow to the top myself. That’s how it is in my CRAZ


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[rockymtnsurfer]

All of the Wakemakers kits for the Max are 1,345 rear bags, or at least they are these days on their site. When you option for 2018 or 2019 it says 1,885 lbs per side. When you do the same for the 2020 Max it says 1.345 per side because I believe they assume you’ve optioned your Max with the optional 500 lb midship bags.

Yes definitely upgrade your ballast because the boat needs more weight to sink and displace enough water to make anwwve have push. I had the same issue at 230 lbs and now we have push from the additional Wakemakers ballast.

As for the overflow vent on the midship, it’s not mandatory as I don’t currently have it on mine but it will likely make the pumps happier and allow the bags to fill easier and eliminate the need to burp the midship bags.

We don’t use autowake for surfing. I haven’t tried it with the new ballast but when we did try it with the stock ballast the wave wasn’t that great. Yes the thing was calibrated. Autowake is not quite what the name implies and it’s more of a tool to use for verifying you’re angles once you manually setup a wake you like you turn on autowake to see the pitch and roll angles and then you turn it off. Then you go into the settings and enter those values so next time in theory it can make the same wave. Read through the long autowake thread to understand it better. I think autowake works so long as you have enough weight in the boat either by people or ballast. Stock ballast and a light crew it doesn’t work great or st least for us and many others it seems.

As far as the bag install and diagrams there are some on here. Just search “Max ballast” and you should run across them. I have posted diagrams and others have too. I have a video of the install as well which will give you an idea what to do whether you use WM midship or reuse the factory ones. https://forum.moomba.com/showthread.php?35078-Momba-Max-Wakemakers-Bag-Buster-install-video

Here is a thread with some diagrams https://forum.moomba.com/showthread.php?33966-Max-Ballast-Questions

Now I see what your talking about....you added mid and rear for the total......I thought the number was just a rear bag. Thank you for your help!
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[Shoebox]

If 100 lb kids "can't find the push", either your boat is setup completely wrong, or you guys don't really know how to surf yet and are trying to do stuff you shouldn't be doing yet.

[haknslash]

It is low because that is the factory position of the overflow. Factory uses vent caps at the top of the bag that slowly release the air. I would imagine they did that setup to eliminate hoses sitting on top of the bag.

I personally moved the vent line to the top of the bag which I think makes more logical sense. The only issue I ran into is when you have really tall bags the vent hose can get trapped between the bag and the side of the locker while filling. I had a vent hose pop off because it got pinched.

But I reran the vent hose and tied it with zips ties more in the center so it doesnt get caught between the side of the boat and the bag.

Hope that helps.

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In addition I also wonder if part of the reasoning for the lower overflow line was in part due to the ballast sensors they added in 2019 along with the rerouted overflow and vent caps? I personally don't mind them being low as they still work for overflow but I like to toss all sorts of junk on top of the rear bags and having the vent line there would worry me or at least I'd have to be a little more careful with what I toss in there to not knock the clip on the ballast connector. With the lower overfill its out of sight and out of mind and allows me to toss things in there without much worry. It would be interesting to see if there are any time differences in filling with an overflow vent at the top vs overflow at the bottom w/ vent caps on top.

[DNIXD99]

19' Max stock ballast (3k) is not enough for a 200lb rider IMO. Thats why they added the 4k option in 2020

[rockymtnsurfer]

Question.....I you move stock 1000 to mid ship, do you use the third overflow....or plug it and vent out the top? If you plug it, what do you plug it with? Can find a female plug for quick release if that makes sense?

[DNIXD99]

It would be a male blank plug.

[rockymtnsurfer]

It would be a male blank plug.

So where the three connectors at the bottom rear of the bag connected to fill / drain/ and overflow....they are all male quick connects. I am assuming two of them will be connected to drain and fill when I move them to mid ship. that leaves the third not plugged. Does that male quick connect unscrew somehow for a blank male plug to be put in its place? Seemed to not unscrew for me, unless its glued or something and needs to be heated to be taken off. Thanks

[DNIXD99]

It unscrews out, just like the top vent plugs. Just replace with a male blank.

[rockymtnsurfer]

thanks...I will look at it today....appreciate it very much!

[rockymtnsurfer]

It unscrews out, just like the top vent plugs. Just replace with a male blank.

LOL boy I am a idiot !!! Checked it out today and it unscrewed like butter:) My old bags were not like this and so I assumed they were the same......sorry for being such a clown and still being willing to give me a answer DNIXD99 :)

[DNIXD99]

LOL boy I am a idiot !!! Checked it out today and it unscrewed like butter:) My old bags were not like this and so I assumed they were the same......sorry for being such a clown and still being willing to give me a answer DNIXD99 :)


LOL...Actually, youre not even the first person to ask this. I had to send pics of the bag with the plug to another guy lol.

[rockymtnsurfer]

LOL...Actually, youre not even the first person to ask this. I had to send pics of the bag with the plug to another guy lol.

Haha...that make me feel better:)