Hard time surfing my mondo

[jason1973]

Looking for help,

I have a 2019 Mondo with 750's in the rear, 500 mid and 500 upfront. I am able to get a great looking wave with 4 adult in the boat. But as soon as we start to surf it falls apart. Now, i am new to this boat. I was a wake boarder but now into surfing and do very little boarding anymore.

Dealer assured me 750's in the rear are enough. I also bought 2 -50lb lead bags to throw back there but they haven't been delivered yet. I am trying to do with withOUT autowake as of right now.

here are my latest settings.

center tab - 25
surf tab -non surf side - 65
surf tab - surf side - 0

surf side ballast - 100%
Non surf side - 85%

all other ballast mid and front -100%

I don't know my pitch and roll, but i did see pitch at 6 and roll at -4 last time i looked. Any suggestions? I am using the 4'8" Doomswell Neo

[Stazi]

You don’t have enough ballast in the back. I’m sorry to break it to you, but 2x 50 pound bags aren’t going to do much to improve what you have now. You really need another 500 pounds. Also I would fill all the bags to 100% and get everyone to sit at the back on the surf side. I know a lot of people want to bias more weight on the surf side, and I agree with that but I disagree with running one of the rear bag at less than 100%. I prefer to ADD more weight to the surf side rather than take it out of the opposite side. You might want to look at getting a 400 pound bag and a plug in pump and put that bag either on the seat on the side that you are surfing, or under the seat. I would also highly recommend that you upgrade the rear bags to the 1100 pound bags. Those 750s aren’t going to cut it.

Your pitch needs to be up around 8.5-9° and you simply don’t have enough weight in the rear to do that without draining the front bag, which if you do will just reduce the wave size.


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[The_Robo_Fighter]

Agree with adding more weight. Like goose had taught us. "There is no replacement for displacement " . But three factors you didnt mention but must be discussed. How deep was the water? What speed were you running? How big are you?

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[jason1973]

All of us are 200lbs, water is about 20' deep across the lake.

I tried different speeds, all the way from 10.2 up to 11.3

[Shoebox]

Like Stazi said, more weight. I run 4000+ lbs in my 14 Mondo. I have 1100s in each locker (they probably fill to 1000-1050) with 150 in lead under each bag, 400 center tank, 750 bow with 170 lbs lead under the filler cushion, and 200 lbs lead that gets moved around the floor depending on crew that day. Depending on crew I may use a 3-400 lb bag that I fill with a Tsunami pump that I move around.

If you want to save some money, get some Craz or Mojo take-out rear 900s. But you're gonna need lead or at least an extra bag to move around.

[BrettLee3232]

I have a 15’ Mondo. I believe stock ballast on that year was 650s in rear 500 hard & 500 bow. It was obviously not enough. I ordered 900s for rear & 750 for bow. Worked much better but I’m a fata$$ so I needed some more help. I piggybacked a 250lb under Port seat and that made a world of a difference with a light crew. I’ve since added 50lb lead in the bow but I think I’m gonna add 200lb more. Not so much for the extra ballast but for cruising the lake and it not beating the crap out of you. Boat rides so much smoother with center ballast filled.

Surf plate at 65 and wake plate 50-100% 10.3-10.8mph


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[The_Robo_Fighter]

All of us are 200lbs, water is about 20' deep across the lake.

I tried different speeds, all the way from 10.2 up to 11.3Ok, thanks. Weight can help. Stick to the deeper parts of your lake. And last resort stick to bigger surf style boards.

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[jason1973]

Ok, thanks. Weight can help. Stick to the deeper parts of your lake. And last resort stick to bigger surf style boards.

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any recommendations? Doomswell told me their board it perfect for my situation.

[jason1973]

Also what mfg for the larger bags? i have FatSac's now. Doesn't look like they have a bigger bag then the 750 on their website.

[BrettLee3232]

Also what mfg for the larger bags? i have FatSac's now. Doesn't look like they have a bigger bag then the 750 on their website.

https://www.wakemakers.com/supra-and-moomba-750-rear-upgrade.html

That being said I have Sumo by straightline.


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[jcredible]

i run the 1140s from Wakemakers...I would recommend the 910s though as they won't put as much stress on your engine panels. Here is what I would do if I were to do it again on my 2017:

1) 910 Wakemaker Bags
2) 500 lbs of Leadwake that I run under the surf side seats.(Sometimes I will move 150 lbs to the nose if we want longer skim style board)
3) I took and old 650 lbs bag and run it on the floor infront of the rear seats with a Tsunami Juiced Pump(This is not necessary...but it makes a wave have more push and height with only 2 people in the boat)
4) I list it pretty heavy on goofy wave by running the non goofy rear tank at ~60% full.(Speed 11.1-11.2)

5) On regular side surf I basically run equal weight in the rear bags and just move lead over to surf side.(Typically run 10.9 on regular)
6) I typically run trim tab at 25% and try to move weight up front vs. jacking it up for a longer wave.

Without the 650 lbs bag...everybody has to be seated in the right spots on the boat...when I fill that bag...people get less annoyed with me ordering them around on exactly where they need to sit.

[The_Robo_Fighter]

I'm not sure there is 1 perfect board. Do you have a local board shop? Find one that demos boards and ride a few. Have them look at your physical size, style, and skill. They'll match you with a board that's rides right for you. In North Georgia, Pull Watersports is my shop.


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[jason1973]

I don't have anyone locally. Just heard doomswell is top notch and started with a good board.

I am looking at the 910's does anyone know if i will need new connectors as well or will they fit what i have?

[The_Robo_Fighter]

I don't have anyone locally. Just heard doomswell is top notch and started with a good board.

I am looking at the 910's does anyone know if i will need new connectors as well or will they fit what i have?Where are you located? May e someone here has a suggestion...

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[jcredible]

I don't have anyone locally. Just heard doomswell is top notch and started with a good board.

I am looking at the 910's does anyone know if i will need new connectors as well or will they fit what i have?

If you buy the Wakemakers kit...they come with all the Moomba specific fittings and replacement hoses. If you are unsure...message the WM team...they are awesome!

[BrettLee3232]

I don't have anyone locally. Just heard doomswell is top notch and started with a good board.

I am looking at the 910's does anyone know if i will need new connectors as well or will they fit what i have?

Give WM a call they will answer all your questions [emoji1305]


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[The_Robo_Fighter]

The crew at wakemakers are top notch. But it's no substitute for riding different boards. Can you spend a weekend somewhere near a good shop?

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[Mondo Ken]

I have always been successful using Autowake right from day one with my Mondo.... you might want to give it a try.

All ballast is stock:
650 rears
500 mid
500 bow

I turn on Autowake with the factory settings (could be backwards):
Regular - 9 pitch & 5 roll
Goofy - 9 pitch & -3 roll
Center plate - 25%
Speed 10.8

My cousin and I started surfing this past July and both of us have gone rope less from our second run. I’m 6’4” 245 (regular rider) and my cousin is 6’ 215 (goofy rider). Tons of push and we can move front to back within the wave without any problems.

I have a 5’4” Brigade Surf Couch.

These pics were taken with 2 adults and 3 teenagers in the boat.

Me:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190814/ad3fcac1d02c47f043fb0b80734fc45a.jpg

Cousin:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190814/1579ae96e260675a7a87b34b50ee4949.jpg

Wave:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190814/168eeade676a6205771b4f0e026d1969.jpg

[Stazi]

No wonder. That board is massive.


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[jason1973]

i do know the board has something to do with it. I have a Ronix power tail, 4'8" Neo. The power tail gets me closer than the neo to be honest which was surprising. I don't have any shops near me but plan to work with my dealer to see if they demo boards.

[jason1973]

I have always been successful using Autowake right from day one with my Mondo.... you might want to give it a try.

All ballast is stock:
650 rears
500 mid
500 bow

I turn on Autowake with the factory settings (could be backwards):
Regular - 9 pitch & 5 roll
Goofy - 9 pitch & -3 roll
Center plate - 25%
Speed 10.8

My cousin and I started surfing this past July and both of us have gone rope less from our second run. I’m 6’4” 245 (regular rider) and my cousin is 6’ 215 (goofy rider). Tons of push and we can move front to back within the wave without any problems.

I have a 5’4” Brigade Surf Couch.

These pics were taken with 2 adults and 3 teenagers in the boat.

Me:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190814/ad3fcac1d02c47f043fb0b80734fc45a.jpg

Cousin:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190814/1579ae96e260675a7a87b34b50ee4949.jpg

Wave:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190814/168eeade676a6205771b4f0e026d1969.jpg

If you wouldn't mind, would you walk me thru your setup of Autowake to achieve that pitch and roll?

[Mondo Ken]

No wonder. That board is massive.


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We are big guys.... we need a big board.

My 2 sons, 17 & 20 use a 4'5" LF Happy Pill and are able to do 360's without any hesitation.

[Mondo Ken]

I believe within the settings you are able to reset the pitch & roll back to the factory settings. Once you have done this, I do the following steps:

1) Turn AMP up to 100%
2) Fill all ballast to 100%
3) Move switch to regular or goofy
4) Set cruise to speed (I'm 10.8)
5) Turn on Autowake
6) Should let you know if 'Static Autowake is Achieved'

Within your first run, Autowake will count down, then it will adjust ballast (if necessary) to achieve the set pitch and roll.

Ahead of time I will position the majority (not all) of my passengers on the surf side. Depending on your crew, it might say on the screen to "move weight to port (or starboard or bow)'. If this happens I ask one person (heavier) to shift to that side of the boat which then usually works.

I hope this helps.

[jason1973]

It does.. thank you!

[ktenan12]

I don't have anyone locally. Just heard doomswell is top notch and started with a good board.

I am looking at the 910's does anyone know if i will need new connectors as well or will they fit what i have?

I just bought a Craz and am considering upgrading my bags. I believe mine are 900# and it sounds like from other posts would fit your set up. Maybe we could work something out. Other members feel free to chime in if I'm wrong here.
PM me if you are interested.

[jcredible]

Any idea on the dimensions of the bags from a Craz?

Wakemakers - the 1140s are 45 long x 25 high x 25 wide

In the mondo, the 25 wide puts a lot of stress on the side panels(I put 2 sets of engine panel savers per side!)

Wakemakers makes a 910 lbs bag that is 45 long x 25 high x 20 wide...that is the one that I would get in the future!

To make the 25" high work, you need to take the carpet dividers off behind the back seat :)

Hope this helps all!

[ktenan12]

Any idea on the dimensions of the bags from a Craz?

Wakemakers - the 1140s are 45 long x 25 high x 25 wide

In the mondo, the 25 wide puts a lot of stress on the side panels(I put 2 sets of engine panel savers per side!)

Wakemakers makes a 910 lbs bag that is 45 long x 25 high x 20 wide...that is the one that I would get in the future!

To make the 25" high work, you need to take the carpet dividers off behind the back seat :)

Hope this helps all!

I do not, but there are some people on here who know a heck of a lot more about this stuff than me.

[Stazi]

Stock, in 2017, mine were 650’s. I sold them and upgraded to 1100’s. They don’t fill up 100% because of the panel behind the back seat, but I may just go take a look and see if those are indeed removable!


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[jason1973]

just keep in mind you will need to replace all your hoses and fittings. Wakemakers is 1" and FatSac that came with my boat stock are 3/4"

[Shoebox]

I just bought a Craz and am considering upgrading my bags. I believe mine are 900# and it sounds like from other posts would fit your set up. Maybe we could work something out. Other members feel free to chime in if I'm wrong here.
PM me if you are interested.Those bags would be a great option for the OP's Mondo.

[Shoebox]

Stock, in 2017, mine were 650’s. I sold them and upgraded to 1100’s. They don’t fill up 100% because of the panel behind the back seat, but I may just go take a look and see if those are indeed removable!


Sent from my iPad using TapatalkIf your boat is like mine, you can remove the port side panel, but a bunch of hoses and wiring run behind the starboard side panel, so removing it wouldn't be the best idea. However (again if your boat is like mine) there is nothing behind the aft panel, so you can gain several inches by cutting it down. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190814/241c0380718753f5345920bdf1167ed5.jpg

[jcredible]

See here, the carpet panels can be removed with a couple stainless steel screws!

https://i.imgur.com/has7ljW.jpg

[ktenan12]

Those bags would be a great option for the OP's Mondo.

As I said before, I don’t know a lot about this stuff, but I did just call WakeMakers and they said the bags would work. Their customer service is awesome! He had a ton of information for me. Said the only thing that may be required is a couple plugs in the stock Craz bags if the Mondo doesn’t have the same fill system. He said hose sizing is the same, it just gets bushed down at the bag. It’s the same for both manufacturers according to him.

[Stazi]

See here, the carpet panels can be removed with a couple stainless steel screws!

https://i.imgur.com/has7ljW.jpg

Yep. Just removed them!


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[justflyinglow]

Bought the 910s from wakemakers. Had an issue with 1 of them leaking. Sent me a new 1 the next day. Would also recommend engine divider supports. The dividers dont budge and I am able to fill the bags all the way. If you can wait till black Friday, got everything 50% off last year.

https://www.wakemakers.com/engine-divider-panel-saver.html?gclid=Cj0KCQjw4s7qBRCzARIsAImcAxb8JnAix uF1iQUDrX0azoAvvTwkzf6Pdnkf70LO44SOYWmw8SVNViwaAiV 3EALw_wcB

[Byezb]

See here, the carpet panels can be removed with a couple stainless steel screws!

https://i.imgur.com/has7ljW.jpg

What is the purpose of the carpeted panels?

[Stazi]

I think just for aesthetics, for the front ones. The rear panels hide and protect the pumps. Those cannot be removed.


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[jason1973]

I just bought a Craz and am considering upgrading my bags. I believe mine are 900# and it sounds like from other posts would fit your set up. Maybe we could work something out. Other members feel free to chime in if I'm wrong here.
PM me if you are interested.



what brand of bags do you have?

[Stazi]

If it’s the factory bags, they will be Fly High Fat Sacs.


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[jcredible]

Craz factory bags look like this:

https://forum.moomba.com/showthread.php?30230-900-lb-fat-sac-bags-for-sale

The wakemakers ExactFits are shaped more like a trapezoid.

[ktenan12]

what brand of bags do you have?

They are the factory bags. As Stazi said, Fly High Fat Sacs. According to WakeMakers rep, they will fit in the Mondo.

[jason1973]

They are the factory bags. As Stazi said, Fly High Fat Sacs. According to WakeMakers rep, they will fit in the Mondo.

if my connections match, i would be interested.

[ktenan12]

if my connections match, i would be interested.

According to the guy at WakeMakers they will work. At worst you may need extra plugs for the ports in these bags if your fill system is different.

[jason1973]

i have FatSac branded bags now. They require a 3/4" setup. I know wakemakers own brand requires 1" all the way thru.

[jcredible]

I think the big question is will you have the G6 Ballast system with 2 inputs for the connectors.


Some of the earlier 2019s didn't have the release valves for pressure either....I would just compare with pictures!

[jason1973]

I do not have the G6.. i have G3 i believe. Takes about 4-5 or so to fill my 750's

[jcredible]

If you look at the bottom of your rear bags and see 2 x fill\drain lines + a vent line then you have G6...or if you pop open the 2 rear carpeted panels and see 6 x pumps hiding...then you have G6...if you only have 3 x ballasts...then you have G3 :)