2020 Models Supra New Features - Speculations?

[davewfo]

I know the Skiers Choice Dealer meeting is this week.

Anyone know any details on new features or changes for Supra or Moomba for next year>?

[TXSurf4]

Ooo this is exciting!! I am subing.

[Prospersigman]

Here is my wish list:

450 and 550 that does not require 92 or higher octane fuel

2:1 tranny

4500 lbs of sub floor ballast

redesigned driver's helm...the current one looks old and dated (see Nautique or the new Malibu if they need to copy something)

Combine these changes with the 2019 changes are there is no question who has the hottest boat on the market.

[dakota4ce]

Here is my wish list:

450 and 550 that does not require 92 or higher octane fuel

2:1 tranny

4500 lbs of sub floor ballast

redesigned driver's helm...the current one looks old and dated (see Nautique or the new Malibu if they need to copy something)

Combine these changes with the 2019 changes are there is no question who has the hottest boat on the market.

You’re going to go 0 for 4 is my guess.

The 2019 helm was a brand new design....


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[Prospersigman]

Sorry...driver's seat not the dash, steering wheel, etc.

Maybe 1.76:1 tranny on the SL??

[larry_arizona]

Ballast is maxed out unless they increase buoyancy, they won’t increase ballast and decrease passenger weight capacity.

To make power requires the fuel to support it.

You absolutely will not see a supercharged option without a high octane requirement. Boost requires octane to prevent detonation.

I agree a driver seat upgrade would be welcome.

SA styling is already the best of the 4 with the new SE borrowing the same look., I could see the new SA borrowing some in floor cooler/storage.


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[Prospersigman]

For sure SA will get subfloor ballast...big advantage space wise not having bags in the rear lockers. In floor cooler is another really awesome feature that I can't live without now.

I could argue that SL styling is better and the extra foot makes a big difference in the main cabin area of the boat with storage galore, but I won't.

[larry_arizona]

If the SA gets the SL subfloor and floor treatment, that will be tits.

I understand styling is a personal thing, to each their own.

SR,SA,SL,SE all serve their design purpose well.

Supra needs to fix the drivers seat/folded tower interference issue.

Do the 2019’s also require full down, full back,slight rotation to prevent ripping the seat?


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[dakota4ce]

Being able to drive whilst folded would be neat


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[larry_arizona]

Being able to drive whilst folded would be neat


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You can, but it’s tricky and very temporary


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[dakota4ce]

You can, but it’s tricky and very temporary


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Yes—I have the same issue with Makai and my old SE.


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[sandm]

how funny that this is a moomba forum and most of the speculation so far revolves around supra products :)

ya, I know the supra forum is crickets. was that way back in '07 when i bought mine as well.

I'd like to see them be the first manufacturer to announce either a slight reduction in msrp or holding the line. that would be the biggest mews of all the boat builders imo especially if the economy takes a break as some suggest it might.

[Broke Pilot]

sandm, if it makes you feel better there’s a brand spankin new Moomba boat coming too... lol
But I won’t say anything else.
I’m hoping the new SA gets a 1.76 option with the 400 engine, at LEAST 4300# of subfloor. The cooler thing is how tall the SA will sit now with subfloor. Kinda like the monster SE.
I love the size of the SA, wouldn’t change a thing. That monster bow area is great for the kids, I’ve had 10 adults on there and didn’t feel cramped, but I was driving lol

[larry_arizona]

Correct me if I am wrong, but if the ballast goes up 800#, then the 2400# passenger rating has to drop 800#?

Assuming same hull.

Honestly, 16 peeps in an SA is absurd, so if 4300# ballast and 1600# max crew is still 8-10 peeps which is perfect


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[Prospersigman]

If the SA gets the SL subfloor and floor treatment, that will be tits.

I understand styling is a personal thing, to each their own.

SR,SA,SL,SE all serve their design purpose well.

Supra needs to fix the drivers seat/folded tower interference issue.

Do the 2019’s also require full down, full back,slight rotation to prevent ripping the seat?


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Yes, my buddy has a 2019 SL450 and you have to remember to put the drivers seat all the way down and back with the bolster down or it’s hitting the seat.


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[sandm]

only if you want nmma certification.

look at any of the early 2010's mb's and you won't find a capacity plate.

[Arcadyus]

sandm, if it makes you feel better there’s a brand spankin new Moomba boat coming too... lol
But I won’t say anything else.
I’m hoping the new SA gets a 1.76 option with the 400 engine, at LEAST 4300# of subfloor. The cooler thing is how tall the SA will sit now with subfloor. Kinda like the monster SE.
I love the size of the SA, wouldn’t change a thing. That monster bow area is great for the kids, I’ve had 10 adults on there and didn’t feel cramped, but I was driving lol

Yeah I just got word also. New Moomba boat.

[jason1973]

I am gonna guess a 22.5' Makai style boat.

[dakota4ce]

I am gonna guess a 22.5' Makai style boat.

That’s a very specific guess.


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[larry_arizona]

The max is 2 years old and already 22.5’

Craz is 22 and mojo 23..... which one is older?


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[Arcadyus]

I am gonna guess a 22.5' Makai style boat.

Your very warm

[sandm]

The max is 2 years old and already 22.5’

Craz is 22 and mojo 23..... which one is older?



mojo is older. I could see that one getting the axe. the hull was modified not too long after it's initial introduction and wonder if SC is happy with it. with the "pro" moniker on the craz and not the mojo could be a sign.
I still don't understand the mondo/helix as well. they are pretty similar boats in a smaller marketshare.

moomba is missing a 21ft boat. I could see the mondo going away and a 21ft/21.5ft replacement or mojo dead and a 23ft replacement that originates from a surf hull.

[MJHSupra]

moomba is missing a 21ft boat. I could see the mondo going away and a 21ft/21.5ft replacement or mojo dead and a 23ft replacement that originates from a surf hull.

Getting warmer . . . . .

[MJHSupra]

Lots of 'buzz' in Knoxville this week.

[sandm]

Lots of 'buzz' in Knoxville this week.

so this new craft is going to be called the wasp? the hornet? hope not the mosquito. there's already been one of those.

[TXSurf4]

I thought it was just going to be a refresh of a current model. A new boat would be sweet!! 2 in 2 years!!

[rdlangston13]

I feel like the Mojo is a pretty big seller so I dont really forsee them getting ride of it (name a size). I could see a hull update for it. I could also see a new 20-21 ft boat to tap that market.

[haknslash]

I may or may not have seen some things when I went to see my boat built lol. 2020 could be interesting... :cool:

I’d love to see Chill Tech vinyl make its way into Moomba. I went with a light color interior to try and keep the heat to a minimum and even it gets hot af and we aren’t even fully in the summer heat yet!

[BrettLee3232]

I may or may not have seen some things when I went to see my boat built lol. 2020 could be interesting... :cool:

I’d love to see Chill Tech vinyl make its way into Moomba. I went with a light color interior to try and keep the heat to a minimum and even it gets hot af and we aren’t even fully in the summer heat yet!

I asked Rick T. On FB about when the chill tech would trickle down to us low spenders on moomba. He said prob not till 21 [emoji2361]


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[rdlangston13]

I asked Rick T. On FB about when the chill tech would trickle down to us low spenders on moomba. He said prob not till 21 [emoji2361]


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Yeah I didn't see it coming to Moomba 1 year after having it available for Supra. I am not a huge fan as I think in the Moomba line it will just keep driving prices up. Guess I should not complain though, our Mojo is gonna last forever haha.

[MJHSupra]

I agree on both lines from SC - keep the prices down each year.

For example, when the topic come ups about bow thrusters on wake boats. I get the bigger 25'+ are harder to move around when you are in a marina, but who needs that for 10K more? Billet is nice, but also adds to the bottom line if it's like a MC.

Plus, SC has to keep the options different on each boat line. They always have with different vinyls in the newer lines. Not sure if that was true 15+ years ago.

[larry_arizona]

SC needs to be careful not to cross contaminate the two product lines, if they do, what makes each brand desirable ultimately gets lost.


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[larry_arizona]

Side note......why is the 450 engine option $8400 on a Supra and $7150 on a Moomba....same engine........

I understand the Supra tax, but if the same options are going to be available on both lines, customers will eventually stop paying the Supra tax.


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[Arcadyus]

Side note......why is the 450 engine option $8400 on a Supra and $7150 on a Moomba....same engine........

I understand the Supra tax, but if the same options are going to be available on both lines, customers will eventually stop paying the Supra tax.


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Seems most of the same upgrades on a Moomba on more on a Supra

[MJHSupra]

Never looked at that price difference. Differences being the different prop and the communications from the motor to the dash?

[Mobius22]

Supra needs to fix the drivers seat/folded tower interference issue.

In 2019s, the seat will automatically lower itself and slide back when you start lowering the tower. Just have to have power on to the dash when you fold tower.

[Prospersigman]

In 2019s, the seat will automatically lower itself and slide back when you start lowering the tower. Just have to have power on to the dash when you fold tower.

You messing with me on this, or are you serious?

[z28ke]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190621/a44c883971449e5e707a77572a8b15fb.jpg

I couldn’t resist haha

[larry_arizona]

You messing with me on this, or are you serious?

Yeah it’s from Drew Tinker so I believe it........lol

That is kick ass that it’s fixed. It is the type of mistake you hopefully make once when you rip that seat.
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[KnoxMojo]

I have been on my buddies 19 several times, yes, the seat auto lowers and slides to the rear, but you still have to rotate it the same as you do now. Still really cool. And amazing all the differences in just 1 model year from 18 to 19, and 20 will be even more.

[mgswake]

Any new info? Or teasers? Is there a new Moomba model coming, or was that just a rumor?

[2018MojoPro]

I hope they don’t kill the Mojo. I would be more than disappointed having just spent $90k on a Hummer or Saturn. Upgrade it, completely change it, but don’t kill it. Wakesetter has carried their name value for 20 years. These arent investments, but I would consider my purchase a huge mistake if they kill the Mojo a year after I bought one.

[KnoxMojo]

You have a very coveted 18 Mojo Pro, it'll be worth a lot for a long time. And Wakesetter is just a designation, not a model. Malibu has discontinued plenty of models over the years and those boats are still bringing in good money. Nothing to worry about.

[NewbFam5]

Rumors continue to float but I did hear that a new boat model/name is being released. Didn't get many details and don't know if it is replacing a boat but sounds like Moomba wants to continue to separate between an "entry" level and a "mid" level line with Supra being the luxury brand (all based on standard features vs options/upgrades). So Max is entry level, new boat model and Makai being mid-level. The Helix, Craz and the Mojo stay in this as well but I don't know where they fit. Not 100% about any of what I just wrote but it's something.

[MJHSupra]

Mini-Makai??

[larry_arizona]

Mini-Makai??

22 foot Makai makes sense.

SA is next in the Supra line for upgrade.

2015 SE 2019 new SE
2016 SA 2020 new SA?
2017 SR 2021 new SR?
2018 SL 2022 new SL?



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[MJHSupra]

22 foot Makai makes sense.

SA is next in the Supra line for upgrade.

2015 SE 2019 new SE
2016 SA 2020 new SA?
2017 SR 2021 new SR?
2018 SL 2022 new SL?



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For Moomba, maybe the focus is 20-21 this year, and 22-23 next year? The Makai was a nice add last year.

Expecting the new SA to be good.

[Matt0520]

Hoping Moomba Line gets a swim platform that sits higher at some point. When wakeboarding with ballast the swim platform is underwater, makes getting in with a wakeboard on a pain compared to other brands.


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[Prospersigman]

Just received an email from my dealer that an ALL NEW 2020 MOOMBA MODEL will be released on Thursday, July 18th @ 6pm in DFW.

[mgswake]

Just received an email from my dealer that an ALL NEW 2020 MOOMBA MODEL will be released on Thursday, July 18th @ 6pm in DFW.

Man that’s exciting! Only about a week away

[NewbFam5]

For Moomba, maybe the focus is 20-21 this year, and 22-23 next year? The Makai was a nice add last year.

Expecting the new SA to be good.

Well if that isn't leading I'm not sure what is!

[MJHSupra]

Well if that isn't leading I'm not sure what is!Ha Ha. I just follow the SC cycle. If you talk to a dealer, you will know more. They know what is going on.

I was just over at the Boatmate factory picking up some LED trailer lights. All the talk is the new 2020s rolling out.

Soon to hit the internet, dealers, and lakes. . . .

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[larry_arizona]

Yup, 2020 stuff sounds good.


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[BrettLee3232]

I just called a dealer and he said no new model but they are discontinuing the Mondo


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[sandm]

not surprised that skiers is dumping a 20ft. having 2 in the same market is kinda goofy. it's a small market to begin with. keep one and offer lots of options to make it vanilla or pimped out. mondo makes sense to dump as it's a narrower hull. everyone now wants 102". helix fits that bill.

[mgswake]

not surprised that skiers is dumping a 20ft. having 2 in the same market is kinda goofy. it's a small market to begin with. keep one and offer lots of options to make it vanilla or pimped out. mondo makes sense to dump as it's a narrower hull. everyone now wants 102". helix fits that bill.

Those boats are so different. If I was on a restricted lake and I skied. I woul go with the mondo over helix. Aesthetically I think I choose mondo over helix as well.

[jason1973]

Those boats are so different. If I was on a restricted lake and I skied. I woul go with the mondo over helix. Aesthetically I think I choose mondo over helix as well.

i agree. the mondo is so much better looking. From what i remember is also a tad longer. I purchased the mondo over the helix because i can't stand the way the helix looks. I hope they keep the mondo over the helix.

[larry_arizona]

Helix and max look same.


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[haknslash]

I think folks will like what they see for 2020.

I do wish there was cup holders added to the Max bow in a way that isn’t blocked if you use the bow fill. Would also love that larger display even if it costed me an additional $500 to the bottom line of the starting price.

[mgswake]

I think folks will like what they see for 2020.



Have you seen a sneak peek?

[haknslash]

Have you seen a sneak peek?

Yes I’ve seen stuff when I was there and is all I can really say ;)

[sandm]

Those boats are so different. If I was on a restricted lake and I skied. I woul go with the mondo over helix. Aesthetically I think I choose mondo over helix as well.

I agree with you as having spent a lot of time on a mondo in wi it's a nice boat and interior is MUCH better than the helix for me but the vast majority of these boats are purchased for surfing and having a wider hull will be an easier sell to some that are shopping specs only. restricted lake won't care of the length between the 2 as there's only an inch difference and both are over 20 and under 21. if you are a true slalom skier as your primary neither of these will be on the radar and if you're a slalom secondary and appeasing the family that surfs/boards, there won't be enough of a slalom difference to sway one way or the other imo.

interesting that the moomba boat builder lists 2 engine options for the helix and mondo only has the 400 listed now. wonder if that was to drive people toward the helix as a first step in mondo getting axed.

[mgswake]

Yes I’ve seen stuff when I was there and is all I can really say ;)

Understand not being able to talk about it. I’m excited!

Sandm - good points about the boats. I wonder if moomba would ever release another ski boat. They could do a nice direct drive on the outback hull. Maybe they could get some of the skiers that don’t want to spend 100k on a Nautique ski boat.

[sandm]

I would doubt theres a real market for a direct drive ski boat anymore. slalom is still pretty big in the midwest but those that relish the sport seemed to have tucked away an older ski hull as the slalom boat and picked up a wake boat for the family.
pick up an old boomerang, santera or ski nautique for 5-8k for a morning set and have a surf boat for the family play time all afternoon.

a good closed bow slalom boat will only hold 2 and a skier. not much of a family boat. my buddies boomerang is tight with 3 and a skier in it to the point we usually dumped others off at the dock and wait their turn.

[Shoebox]

A 22'-23' Makai might have me risking divorce...

[larry_arizona]

I would doubt theres a real market for a direct drive ski boat anymore. slalom is still pretty big in the midwest but those that relish the sport seemed to have tucked away an older ski hull as the slalom boat and picked up a wake boat for the family.
pick up an old boomerang, santera or ski nautique for 5-8k for a morning set and have a surf boat for the family play time all afternoon.

a good closed bow slalom boat will only hold 2 and a skier. not much of a family boat. my buddies boomerang is tight with 3 and a skier in it to the point we usually dumped others off at the dock and wait their turn.

There has to be a market because a new Ski Nautique is $120k+


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[mgswake]

There has to be a market because a new Ski Nautique is $120k+


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For a 5-6 person max boat. I couldn’t imagine spending that on a ski boat. But, I don’t slalom or run the course either.
I sure hope prospersigman is right about the release on the 18th. Would love to see a new boat from Moomba. But, wouldn’t they be releasing teasers and advertising it?

[Prospersigman]

There is definitely a new boat the reveal is coming to the DFW Summer Boat Expo on Thursday, July 18th.

[schwan]

So going away from models and talking about features. I wonder when SC will be able to get a fully integrated autowake system that not only controls ballast but also flow and wakeplate. I have to image this is the direction they want to go. I could even see 2020 as being the year.

[larry_arizona]

So going away from models and talking about features. I wonder when SC will be able to get a fully integrated autowake system that not only controls ballast but also flow and wakeplate. I have to image this is the direction they want to go. I could even see 2020 as being the year.

Correct me if I am wrong......but autowake already does that.


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[haknslash]

Yea it does with the launch feature. I'm not sure what using both tabs would do other than that.

[larry_arizona]

The surf tabs also adjust the pitch and roll, not just the ballast.


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[dakota4ce]

Not sure what you guys are talking about exactly, but the system does not move the tabs.


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[larry_arizona]

Swell surf is separated from Autowake?


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[KnoxMojo]

Swell surf is separated from Autowake?


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Yes, I am most certain autowake maintains pitch and roll, not surf plate setting. That is on the driver to set. Some like steep, some like long. Autwaake maintains your settings.

[Shoebox]

Yes, I am most certain autowake maintains pitch and roll, not surf plate setting. That is on the driver to set. Some like steep, some like long. Autwaake maintains your settings.Yeah, but that would be the advantage of Autowake controlling the tabs, too. You could dial your perfect wave, both through ballast and tab, and save that setting, and do so for multiple riders or multiple settings for yourself.

[KnoxMojo]

Yeah, but that would be the advantage of Autowake controlling the tabs, too. You could dial your perfect wave, both through ballast and tab, and save that setting, and do so for multiple riders or multiple settings for yourself.

You can do that with rider profiles now on the Supra, maybe soon with Moomba with their updated touch screens. I would be surprised if that isn't an option soon for the Moomba line.

[Shoebox]

You can do that with rider profiles now on the Supra, maybe soon with Moomba with their updated touch screens. I would be surprised if that isn't an option soon for the Moomba line.The Supras control the tabs through Autowake?

[larry_arizona]

You can do that with rider profiles now on the Supra, maybe soon with Moomba with their updated touch screens. I would be surprised if that isn't an option soon for the Moomba line.

This is what confused me, having preset rider profiles from the factory, When you activate the profile, autowake is automatically activated.

The Supra is pretty much hit your preset and go. Customizable profiles can be saved too.

I use the wakesurf 2 and wakeboard preset religiously and the wave and wake are perfect with autowake on.

Depending on water conditions, in wakeboard mode, I sometimes have to add some wakeplate to clean up goofy side.


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[dakota4ce]

The Supras control the tabs through Autowake?

They do not.


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[Shoebox]

They do not.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThanks. KnoxMojo said you can do it now on the Supras.

The original post on this was talking about having Autowake control the tabs as well as the ballast, and I was saying being able to save rider profiles - including tabs, not just ballast - would be very useful. Assuming of course my SWMBO ever allows me to buy a boat new enough to have Autowake. [emoji23]

[dakota4ce]

Thanks. KnoxMojo said you can do it now on the Supras.

The original post on this was talking about having Autowake control the tabs as well as the ballast, and I was saying being able to save rider profiles - including tabs, not just ballast - would be very useful. Assuming of course my SWMBO ever allows me to buy a boat new enough to have Autowake. [emoji23]

It doesn’t “control” them, it does save them—as you point out. I think Larry was wondering that.

My Moomba saves the last tab setting as well from surf left and surf right most recent session.

Personally I always thought the rider profiles on my Supra were borderline useless. Just gee whiz type stuff. But I have been known to click the tabs a touch here or there on the regular, and ballast is always 100-100-100.


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[Shoebox]

It doesn’t “control” them, it does save them—as you point out. I think Larry was wondering that.

My Moomba saves the last tab setting as well from surf left and surf right most recent session.

Personally I always thought the rider profiles on my Supra were borderline useless. Just gee whiz type stuff. But I have been known to click the tabs a touch here or there on the regular, and ballast is always 100-100-100.


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[mgswake]

I guess I'll have to buy the 2020 22' version of the Makai to find out. [emoji23]

1ft =$10,000

24.5-22=2.5

22 ft makai loaded 80k. Am I dreaming?

[Arcadyus]

1ft =$10,000

24.5-22=2.5

22 ft makai loaded 80k. Am I dreaming?

My build out on my Makai was $107k so that's $4,367 a ft. A mini makai at 22 ft will be roughly $96,074....

[Shoebox]

1ft =$10,000

24.5-22=2.5

22 ft makai loaded 80k. Am I dreaming?That puts a Makai at $245k. Not quite... [emoji23]

[KnoxMojo]

Thanks. KnoxMojo said you can do it now on the Supras.

The original post on this was talking about having Autowake control the tabs as well as the ballast, and I was saying being able to save rider profiles - including tabs, not just ballast - would be very useful. Assuming of course my SWMBO ever allows me to buy a boat new enough to have Autowake. [emoji23]

I think Larry got confused as to what I was saying. Autowake does not control the tabs. The rider settings can be edited for different settings like ballast, smart plate, surf left or right, autowake on or off, surf plate settings, speed and anything you wish to name it, then activate that profile. And, just because you use a profile, does not mean autowake is automatically activated, you can go in and edit that profile to do whatever you want. I personally have wakeboard normal, wakeboard advance, surf skim, surf style, surf goofy and go home. I use them every time out then manually adjust from there as needed. Hope that clears it up some.

[Shoebox]

I think Larry got confused as to what I was saying. Autowake does not control the tabs. The rider settings can be edited for different settings like ballast, smart plate, surf left or right, autowake on or off, surf plate settings, speed and anything you wish to name it, then activate that profile. And, just because you use a profile, does not mean autowake is automatically activated, you can go in and edit that profile to do whatever you want. I personally have wakeboard normal, wakeboard advance, surf skim, surf style, surf goofy and go home. I use them every time out then manually adjust from there as needed. Hope that clears it up some.This is the post I was picking up on. Full control through Autowake, to include the surf tabs:



So going away from models and talking about features. I wonder when SC will be able to get a fully integrated autowake system that not only controls ballast but also flow and wakeplate. I have to image this is the direction they want to go. I could even see 2020 as being the year.

[mgswake]

That puts a Makai at $245k. Not quite... [emoji23]

I guess my math was just horrible. I meant to say take off 10,000 per foot and make it 80k. Im looking forward to next week. Kinda jealous of the guys that already know what’s new.

[KnoxMojo]

Got ya... a lot of terms and uses out there. Just didn't want to confuse anyone as to what I was saying. The profiles are most helpful once you start editing them to get the boat to do what you want easily.

[larry_arizona]

After talking at the PWT with Supra reps, you are all spot on, autowake is ballast only. Tabs are separate, no need for autowake to change tabs, purely controls pitch and roll.

Wake boat set up was 500# lead midship, full ballast and 7 crew

It’s impressive how whisper quiet the raptors are from both the boat and from close by on shore, surf pipe helps too of course.


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[KnoxMojo]

Great info Larry. Nothing like getting it straight from them. And now you know what your SA can do with just 500 pounds and a medium size crew. Of course they are running the 575 engines, lol. Trevor in the green boat knows his stuff.

[larry_arizona]

The wakeboarding wake was HUGE




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[KnoxMojo]

The wakeboarding wake was HUGE




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I was fortunate enough to get to ride behind the 16 PWT SA, which is when I fell in love with Supra and the SA....it was insane but so much fun!! Did you happen to get a peak at the running attitude of the boat? Pretty sure they keep it between 7 to 8 on the pitch.

[Prospersigman]

Tomorrow @ 6:30 at the DFW Summer Boat Expo is the release of the new Moomba model...how is it that we dont have any photos, teaser videos, anything on the new Moomba or Supra??

Where is all the bang and hype?

[MJHSupra]

Tomorrow @ 6:30 at the DFW Summer Boat Expo is the release of the new Moomba model...how is it that we dont have any photos, teaser videos, anything on the new Moomba or Supra??

Where is all the bang and hype?

Yea, that is surprising.


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[RUGER761]

Tomorrow @ 6:30 at the DFW Summer Boat Expo is the release of the new Moomba model...how is it that we dont have any photos, teaser videos, anything on the new Moomba or Supra??

Where is all the bang and hype?

I talked with the dealer down there yesterday, he told me that the release is being held back and he wont have it at the show. An official release would be coming soon. He didn't sound too happy about it.

[MJHSupra]

Might explain why those teaser pics/videos did not come out.


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[larry_arizona]

I know my dealer just got more new 19 moombas this week, I bet there is too much moomba stock left to move.

They have one demo SL, a new SR and a PWT edition SA.


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[mgswake]

I know my dealer just got more new 19 moombas this week, I bet there is too much moomba stock left to move.

They have one demo SL, a new SR and a PWT edition SA.


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I asked this every year they released the next model year around this time. But, the past few years moomba has still released their new boats with old stock still at the dealers. Maybe, like you stated there is to much stock at the dealers. Or maybe they just need more time for the release. Either way I’m bummed. I was looking forward to a new model.

[mgswake]

There is a teaser video on FB. Doesn’t show anything but it does acknowledge a new boat for 2020 for moomba

[MJHSupra]

Not sure I agree with too much stock, most dealers in the SE have only a few boats in stock.

For Supra, basically nothing to choose from.

[Arcadyus]

On the FB page someome said the already saw the new mini makai at the dealer.

[RickT]

The date of the 2020 release is pretty consistent with prior years.

[ejj]

I’d imagine the Mojo will stay, as it’s a great name for them. The Mondo is old. So we make a new Mondostyle boat—but Makai trim. Maybe 21.5 feet? Then Skiers Choice has multiple price lines—entry with the Helix and Max, mid with the Makai etc, and then we pop up to Supra.

[ejj]

I’d imagine the Mojo will stay, as it’s a great name for them. The Mondo is old. So we make a new Mondostyle boat—but Makai trim. Maybe 21.5 feet? Then Skiers Choice has multiple price lines—entry with the Helix and Max, mid with the Makai etc, and then we pop up to Supra.
Lol replying to myself...

Cayenne. 21ft mini makai. 3000 lbs possible ballast.

[dakota4ce]

I grant you partial credit.


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[jph3]

Kaiyen

I’m liking it so far, we need prices :)


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[BrettLee3232]

I hope we can color it tomorrow! I love goldddddddd


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[haknslash]

Now that the teaser video is out I suppose we can talk about it more. In addition to the new boat I got to see the new gold color on a white and gold Supra SE550 and it looked badass!! Such a unique color you don't see on many wake boats compared to the rest of the color palettes being used out there. I jokingly told Drew Tinker it should be named Gold Digger flake if it hadn't already been named :D

[Shoebox]

Now that the teaser video is out...

Out where?

[BrettLee3232]

Out where?

Do you even insta bro? Lol

https://www.instagram.com/p/B0RyW2-Hgpm/?igshid=1d1if6lbt6pmf


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[ejj]

Kaiyen

I’m liking it so far, we need prices :)


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My guess is 80k with all the things. Maybe a few more?

[Shoebox]

Do you even insta bro? Lol

https://www.instagram.com/p/B0RyW2-Hgpm/?igshid=1d1if6lbt6pmf


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkNope. Sure don't. Too much shit to keep up with already.

All I got out of that was the name of the boat.

[haknslash]

My guess is 80k with all the things. Maybe a few more?

My guess is it starts $65-ish and goes beyond $83k fully optioned out. I can see this boat selling like hot cakes for those that love the Makai but don't need a 24'5" boat. Not too big, not too small and not bad to tow with a 1/2 ton.

From the video you can catch a quick glimpse blurry shot of the new gold flake

http://i.imgur.com/PY48vYg.jpg

[jph3]

Yeah I’m down with that gold on black. I would drop my helix if the price is right... I would bet this is going to be north of $85k though.

Most other manufacturers are around $7k for 2 more feet from what I’ve seen... so $85 is low if you consider what most of the Makai’s sold for new (I would assume?)


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[Arcadyus]

Love the gold.

[MJHSupra]

Hard to see in the video, looks to have a copper tint to the flake.

You really have to see flake in person to get the full effect.

Reminds me of some of the gold flake jet boats of the 70s.


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[Matt0520]

A budget boat with a transom walkthrough that can fit on a lot of lake restrictions. Gonna be great.

Glad Moomba is continuing to add more aggressive lines to the molds (like on the Makai). I think the Mondo/Craz/Mojo look super boring in all one color (like white) because of the lack of ‘edges’. I love classic lines but also like a few character lines.


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[jason1973]

I would bet its priced very similar to the Craz Pro.

[MJHSupra]

oxymoron: lower priced wake boats and new model wake boats


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[padge]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190724/dd58c376b80e2e4ebde171e143ef2d99.jpg


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[haknslash]

So I’d love to upgrade my Max with the new sun pad engine cushion. Is this possible?

[Shoebox]

Increases to base msrp from 2019 to 2020. Not as bad as I'd expected.

Helix $940 - 1.6%
Max - $1600 - 2.5%
Makai - $2700 - 3.3%
Craz - $1500 - 2.2%
Mojo - $1300 - 1.8%

[z28ke]

So I’d love to upgrade my Max with the new sun pad engine cushion. Is this possible?

Interested in this as well!

[larry_arizona]

Increases to base msrp from 2019 to 2020. Not as bad as I'd expected.

Helix $940 - 1.6%
Max - $1600 - 2.5%
Makai - $2700 - 3.3%
Craz - $1500 - 2.2%
Mojo - $1300 - 1.8%

Considering inflation is at appx 1.6-1.9%, it’s even more impressive.


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[RickT]

In addition to the low MSRP change, several options $$$ for 2019 were added Standard in 2020. Bow Filler Cushion, Seat Back rest behind driver seat, rear Walk-across Non skid step and a few small other items.

[haknslash]

In addition to the low MSRP change, several options $$$ for 2019 were added Standard in 2020. Bow Filler Cushion, Seat Back rest behind driver seat, rear Walk-across Non skid step and a few small other items.

Wow that’s nice standard equipment. Great job SC and looks like the 2020 lineup will be real attractive!

[jason1973]

Kind of liking the new boat. Kind of sad they dumped the Mondo for the helix. Should have dumped the helix.

[cpropes2005]

Can we confirm now that the 400 gets the 1.76 to 1 gear ratio for 2020? Thinking about a Makai and would feel better about the 400 if it had it.

[Mobius22]

Yes, all 400s in 2020 have the 1.76

[Prospersigman]

When can we expect to get some info on the 2020 Supras and the redesigned SA? My 18 SL550 is itching to be traded in on a 2020:-D

[Shoebox]

In addition to the low MSRP change, several options $$$ for 2019 were added Standard in 2020. Bow Filler Cushion, Seat Back rest behind driver seat, rear Walk-across Non skid step and a few small other items.[emoji1303]

[larry_arizona]

When can we expect to get some info on the 2020 Supras and the redesigned SA? My 18 SL550 is itching to be traded in on a 2020:-D

This!!!



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[MJHSupra]

In addition to the low MSRP change, several options $$$ for 2019 were added Standard in 2020. Bow Filler Cushion, Seat Back rest behind driver seat, rear Walk-across Non skid step and a few small other items.

Always good to hear for either Moomba or Supra.

[MJHSupra]

Yes, all 400s in 2020 have the 1.76

Heard that rumor, but nice to confirm.

[MJHSupra]

When can we expect to get some info on the 2020 Supras and the redesigned SA? My 18 SL550 is itching to be traded in on a 2020:-D

The newer SE was announced at the last week of July in 2018.
The SL was announced at in mid-Aug in 2017. Teasers were a few weeks earlier.

[jcredible]

Anyone know the Ballast setup in a 2020 Max? it says 4000 lbs and curious on where the bags are located with weight?

[Boonejeepin]

Anyone know the Ballast setup in a 2020 Max? it says 4000 lbs and curious on where the bags are located with weight?

Per Drew Tinker on FB there are bags and a removable floor covering under the side seats.


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[jcredible]

Per Drew Tinker on FB there are bags and a removable floor covering under the side seats.


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Is there some form of forum on FB?

[haknslash]

Is there some form of forum on FB?

Not a forum but there is the official Supra and Moomba owners group which is what we all use.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/178634249208729/?ref=share

[larry_arizona]

Yes, all 400s in 2020 have the 1.76

Can you explain the performance advantage of the 400 with the 1.76 versus the 1.5? Bigger prop? Lower surf RPM’s? Any loss in top speed?


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[schwan]

Dakota explained this to me on Facebook once. The jump from 1.5 to 1.76 is a much more efficient way to gear down compared to just using a lower pitch for surfing. So then you get surf efficiency and can keep some of your top speed too.

[larry_arizona]

Dakota explained this to me on Facebook once. The jump from 1.5 to 1.76 is a much more efficient way to gear down compared to just using a lower pitch for surfing. So then you get surf efficiency and can keep some of your top speed too.

I do understand the theory behind the 1.76, but I am looking for tech data from either Drew, Rick or Goose versus Facebook.

More tow capacity to get full ballast full crew on plane, more top speed, less fuel used?




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[schwan]

I'll second that, I would love to hear from someone really in the know about how it will truly change performance.

[dakota4ce]

I don’t think they’re doing it for fun fellas. Having owned two boats with similar motors but the two trannies, the driving experience is better. Larger propeller, more pitch, better efficiency on the water. But if you really want technical data I suppose those guys could go ahead and share all of that with you, or they could make the decision on your behalf and offer it in the product line. But I guarantee you making the change wasn’t cheap, so they obviously had a great reason to do it.


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[larry_arizona]

No argument that the 1.76 is an upgrade, just want to know what it offers and by how much over the 1.5.


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[elevatedconcept]

This is Jason with Germaine Marine. Hard data would
Be best served getting directly from Indmar. The v drive reduction change is equivalent to a significant increase in to the water torque that is not power band dependent. Its a significant bump across the entire range. What makes it so good is that it allows you to squeeze pitch/diameter numbers that were otherwise unattainable. The net gain is having a significant increase in low end without the big loss of cruise speed. The new drive train for example is able to spin a 15x18 with ease. The new gear reduction and big pitch allows the boat to have big bottom without the net loss of top end speed attributed when having to prop down because of being short on torque with big weight.

Benefits...

-wider usable power range
-lower surf RPM
-higher cruise speeds
-more prop options
-happier boating :)

[goose]

I donÂ’t think theyÂ’re doing it for fun fellas. Having owned two boats with similar motors but the two trannies, the driving experience is better. Larger propeller, more pitch, better efficiency on the water. But if you really want technical data I suppose those guys could go ahead and share all of that with you, or they could make the decision on your behalf and offer it in the product line. But I guarantee you making the change wasnÂ’t cheap, so they obviously had a great reason to do it.


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Yeah, what he said. I am not sure exactly what type of "technical data" you want because I can spit a bunch of numbers out and truth is you can't probably prove them right or wrong. But what I can tell you is we spent a LOT of time driving the boats and you need to do the same. The theory behind the transmission is we were wanting to spin a bigger prop. Back in the day when boats were not as heavy and the engines did not have as much power, there was no need to spin a larger diameter prop. The boat didn't need it and the engine couldn't handle it. But now with the boats we have, the engine CAN handle it AND the boats need it. If you notice, that has definitely been the trend and we were not the only people to play with transmission ratios. The problem is everything is a tradeoff in propulsion. What we have found is the 1.76 is the best tradeoff we can see right now. With a 2.0 or larger ratio, you can run a larger prop. BUT, to get clearance under the boat you have to change the strut angle or something different. When you do that, you lose efficiency. Also, going to that requires a larger shaft, different shaft materials and other changes. If not done correctly, all that can be bad. Not trying to start any fights, but some people have had issues with that. By using the 1.76 ratio, we can turn a 15.5-16 inch prop using the same strut angles and still have proper clearance. AND with some testing, we now have 3 pitch options to go with the larger prop. For max low end, we offer the 15.5x15. For general purpose we offer the 15.5x16.5. For higher top end and lower rpm, we offer the 15.5x18.

Personally I ran the 15.5x18 all year this year. I love it! On the R&D Kaiyen I can get the boat about 43 mph unloaded and when loaded down for surfing it gets on plane good but really runs lower RPM's. The general idea is as you go down in pitch, you can get more weight on plane at wakeboarding speeds. Between the 15.5x18 and the 15.5x15, you can probably get about 1500lbs on plane with similar performance. If you are wakeboarding with 5000lbs or more and you do that often then maybe the 15.5x15 is the better prop for you. However, as you go up in pitch you gain speed AND lower rpms. You gain about 2 mph per pitch change. So, on a boat where you might get 42 or 43, the 16.5 is probably going to be about 40 and the 15 will be about 38. Also, as you go up in pitch, you lower rpms. Again, these numbers are rough, but I tell people about 200-300 rpm. So, if you are surfing at 3800 rpm with the 16.5, you would probably be closer to 3500-3600 with the 18. Again, everyone uses their boats differently, but some people on this forum have tried some of these props and you can probably get them to chine in with their personal examples also. For the way we use the boat, we surf a LOT, wakeboard with a lot of weight ONLY occasionally, and we sometimes go by water to a marina or different areas of the lake. By lowering the rpm at surfing, it is not only more efficient, but it lowers the noise. And then when it is time to get home or outrun a storm, the higher top speed is really nice. I have tried all the props and they all serve a purpose, just depends on what you want to be most important.

To sum it up again, the 400 with the 1.76 is probably similar to the 450 was with the 1.5, if not better. And with the new prop options, I think it is even more drastic. We offered the 450 with 1.76 last year and if you drove a boat with 450 vs 400 there was a HUGE difference. Now, with the 1.76 and prop options, you can get closer with just the 400. Because of that, I would imagine that most boats NOT at altitude can do fine with just the 400 with 1.76 and the right prop. If you are altitude, then you still might consider the 450 because it does have more power.

[jason1973]

question is, why hasn't anyone done the 1:76 from the start? why do we even have 1.5. Not like there is a material cost difference.

[larry_arizona]

Yeah, what he said. I am not sure exactly what type of "technical data" you want because I can spit a bunch of numbers out and truth is you can't probably prove them right or wrong. But what I can tell you is we spent a LOT of time driving the boats and you need to do the same. The theory behind the transmission is we were wanting to spin a bigger prop. Back in the day when boats were not as heavy and the engines did not have as much power, there was no need to spin a larger diameter prop. The boat didn't need it and the engine couldn't handle it. But now with the boats we have, the engine CAN handle it AND the boats need it. If you notice, that has definitely been the trend and we were not the only people to play with transmission ratios. The problem is everything is a tradeoff in propulsion. What we have found is the 1.76 is the best tradeoff we can see right now. With a 2.0 or larger ratio, you can run a larger prop. BUT, to get clearance under the boat you have to change the strut angle or something different. When you do that, you lose efficiency. Also, going to that requires a larger shaft, different shaft materials and other changes. If not done correctly, all that can be bad. Not trying to start any fights, but some people have had issues with that. By using the 1.76 ratio, we can turn a 15.5-16 inch prop using the same strut angles and still have proper clearance. AND with some testing, we now have 3 pitch options to go with the larger prop. For max low end, we offer the 15.5x15. For general purpose we offer the 15.5x16.5. For higher top end and lower rpm, we offer the 15.5x18.

Personally I ran the 15.5x18 all year this year. I love it! On the R&D Kaiyen I can get the boat about 43 mph unloaded and when loaded down for surfing it gets on plane good but really runs lower RPM's. The general idea is as you go down in pitch, you can get more weight on plane at wakeboarding speeds. Between the 15.5x18 and the 15.5x15, you can probably get about 1500lbs on plane with similar performance. If you are wakeboarding with 5000lbs or more and you do that often then maybe the 15.5x15 is the better prop for you. However, as you go up in pitch you gain speed AND lower rpms. You gain about 2 mph per pitch change. So, on a boat where you might get 42 or 43, the 16.5 is probably going to be about 40 and the 15 will be about 38. Also, as you go up in pitch, you lower rpms. Again, these numbers are rough, but I tell people about 200-300 rpm. So, if you are surfing at 3800 rpm with the 16.5, you would probably be closer to 3500-3600 with the 18. Again, everyone uses their boats differently, but some people on this forum have tried some of these props and you can probably get them to chine in with their personal examples also. For the way we use the boat, we surf a LOT, wakeboard with a lot of weight ONLY occasionally, and we sometimes go by water to a marina or different areas of the lake. By lowering the rpm at surfing, it is not only more efficient, but it lowers the noise. And then when it is time to get home or outrun a storm, the higher top speed is really nice. I have tried all the props and they all serve a purpose, just depends on what you want to be most important.

To sum it up again, the 400 with the 1.76 is probably similar to the 450 was with the 1.5, if not better. And with the new prop options, I think it is even more drastic. We offered the 450 with 1.76 last year and if you drove a boat with 450 vs 400 there was a HUGE difference. Now, with the 1.76 and prop options, you can get closer with just the 400. Because of that, I would imagine that most boats NOT at altitude can do fine with just the 400 with 1.76 and the right prop. If you are altitude, then you still might consider the 450 because it does have more power.

Goose,

Thank you sir, Exactly why I asked the question. Details from Engineering is credible versus anything from Facebook.

Many of SC boat owners are gearheads or Engineers that crave data.


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[goose]

question is, why hasn't anyone done the 1:76 from the start? why do we even have 1.5. Not like there is a material cost difference.

Just for the record, I am not really an engine or prop specialist, but in the past, we didn't really need the 1.76. The gear ratio and prop have to go hand in hand. In the past, the 1.5 was the best tradeoff because we had the right props to match it along with the boat sizes. 20 years ago, the majority of boats were sold with 1 or 1.25 gear ratio. Because again, at that time they had the right props to match it. A larger prop is NOT always the best solution. As I said before, everything is a tradeoff. A large prop can give more torque, but sometimes a smaller prop gives more speed. Also, a larger prop without the power to turn it is not effiecient. Same as a small prop that just slips.

That is why I explained the props and the transmission. I am sure with time we will find even better solutions, but these things take a little time. And there is actually a material cost difference. The props are more expensive and the transmissions are a little more expensive too. If the 1.76 takes over the market then higher volumes can probably get the 1.76 transmission close in price to 1.5, but a larger prop has more material and is more expensive. Also, the standard prop for the 1.5 was actually a hand finished prop. The 15.5 props are CNC cut.

[larry_arizona]

Saw a new 2020 SL at dealer today.

There is a badass new metallic black color!!!!!


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[2018MojoPro]

Saw a new 2020 SL at dealer today.

There is a badass new metallic black color!!!!!


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..and you didn’t take a pic?


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[larry_arizona]

..and you didn’t take a pic?


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Not sure it’s “allowed” yet.

I do have a picture

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[padge]

I’d say if it’s at the dealer surely the public can see it [emoji12]


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[MJHSupra]

Saw a new 2020 SL at dealer today.

There is a badass new metallic black color!!!!!


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkLocal dealer had a 2020 SL. That new black is sweet.

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[larry_arizona]

Local dealer had a 2020 SL. That new black is sweet.

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There are 4 black color options now


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[Prospersigman]

Every other boat dealer has announced their 2020 lineups and changes. Why is Supra taking so long to announce theirs?

Can we see the new goods now please??


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[larry_arizona]

I am guessing this week


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[Prospersigman]

http://premierwatersports.net/boat/2020-supra-se-550/

Here's a 2020 SE550 in black and gold...looks pretty sweet!!

[larry_arizona]

http://premierwatersports.net/boat/2020-supra-se-550/

Here's a 2020 SE550 in black and gold...looks pretty sweet!!

Well then, I guess I can post this
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190805/e586f187ad900ae2de7969217f2d0988.jpg

New midnight gelcoat. Has lots of ultra blue flake in it.

Looks like the new DSP JL Amps in that SE 550


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[Prospersigman]

Love this new midnight/black gelcoat.

I still want to see what the 2020 SA is going to look like!!!

Come on Skiers Choice/Drew lets see the goods already :cool:

[ChadSA18]

I was able to checkout the 2020 SA at Norris Lake this weekend :-D - I think Drew said they would be releasing info this week. Some very nice changes that I would love to have in my 18!

[larry_arizona]

20 SA is going to be straight fire!!![emoji106]


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[MJHSupra]

Every other boat dealer has announced their 2020 lineups and changes. Why is Supra taking so long to announce theirs?

Can we see the new goods now please??


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Last year it looks like they announced on Aug 23rd. It's due for something earlier. I suppose there will be some teaser vid or pic first.

https://www.supraboats.com/about/press-releases/2018-model-line-up

[MJHSupra]

I saw a different flake black in the 2020 SL - went with red color. But I also looked at the new color larry posted that goes with blue. Both very nice.

[larry_arizona]

I do like the colored FXone tower option. The new JL amps are sweet and the SE looks like two 12 inch JL subs.

Assuming the dual 12’s will make it to the new SA.

I noticed the in floor cooler is more of a storage and garbage can, as the batteries were moved to the area. But the storage under the port side helm is outstanding and clean.



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[Prospersigman]

I dont understand why they would get rid of the cooler in the floor and make it like the Makai with regards the shoe storage and a trash can.

I use my in floor cooler for drinks every time out. I dont even use the insulated Supra Cooler bag in there. I place a rubber stopper like circle over the drain to keep the ice and water in the cooler from draining out and fill it up with drinks and ice and it lasts all day in the hot Texas weather. So much easier to get into the floor than have the cooler under the bench seat and have to ask someone to get up every time you need a beer or the kids need a Gatorade. Not to mention 3 cases of beer, water, ice and gatorade is good for 100 lbs of in floor ballast...until you get closer to the end of the day when the beers gone.

[Mobius22]

Love this new midnight/black gelcoat.

I still want to see what the 2020 SA is going to look like!!!

Come on Skiers Choice/Drew lets see the goods already :cool:

Soooooooon

[larry_arizona]

Soooooooon

Blood is in the water and sharks are ready for the frenzy.

Always a FUN time of year!!!!


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[larry_arizona]

Guessing the Supra team was busy this weekend wrapping up the last PWT tour stop in Boise Idaho. Probably rolled back into Tennessee early today.


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[dakota4ce]

I dont understand why they would get rid of the cooler in the floor and make it like the Makai with regards the shoe storage and a trash can.

I use my in floor cooler for drinks every time out. I dont even use the insulated Supra Cooler bag in there. I place a rubber stopper like circle over the drain to keep the ice and water in the cooler from draining out and fill it up with drinks and ice and it lasts all day in the hot Texas weather. So much easier to get into the floor than have the cooler under the bench seat and have to ask someone to get up every time you need a beer or the kids need a Gatorade. Not to mention 3 cases of beer, water, ice and gatorade is good for 100 lbs of in floor ballast...until you get closer to the end of the day when the beers gone.

I would say it’s probably for a good reason because it’s happened to every boat.

In my Makai I removed that little tray, moved the batteries over next to each other and an RTIC 20 fits perfectly in there.


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[MJHSupra]

I recall someone on Facebook talking about a soft-sided ? RTIC 30 ? cooler fitting in the center - it was a 2018 SL.

Anyone done this?

[larry_arizona]

When you see how much room there is in the port helm, I think the battery move is worth it.

I suppose you could throw an 18 pack and ice in the tray and garbage can.


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[dakota4ce]

I recall someone on Facebook talking about a soft-sided ? RTIC 30 ? cooler fitting in the center - it was a 2018 SL.

Anyone done this?

That is basically what I did. Maybe it was a 30? But I think it’s a 20.


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[Prospersigman]

When you see how much room there is in the port helm, I think the battery move is worth it.

I suppose you could throw an 18 pack and ice in the tray and garbage can.


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18 pack? What’s everyone else gonna drink?


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[larry_arizona]

18 pack? What’s everyone else gonna drink?


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Atta boy!!!!!!


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[tre]

Goose mentioned a ton of good info on transmission ratios above. I have one more question. My current 2009 Supra 24SSV says it has a 1.46 to 1 V drive and a 1 to 1 transmission. When you are talking about the 1.76, are you talking transmission or V drive? Is the trans still 1 to 1 and the V drive is 1.76? I'm looking at upgrading to a new Supra and I'm trying to figure out if we'll be able to get my 76 year old Dad up on a Slalom ski like we can in our current Supra. He needs to get up fast or he can't get up. He can't drag in the water waiting for the boat to plane. Our current Supra has the 340HP ETX CAT and the boat weighs roughly 4000lbs. That is 11.6 HP per pound. A Supra SL with a 450 Raptor is 410HP which works out to 13.65 HP per pound. It get worse with the heavier SE at 15HP per pound. Those numbers make me think these new boats will be awesome for me and my kids to Surf and wakeboard but I'm worried I can't get my Dad up on a slalom Ski. I'm sure the 1.76 and props play a part in all of this as Goose explained. I'm trying to figure out what exactly is 1.76, the V drive or trans? I'd like to compare to my current Supra.

[DatTexasBoy]

When can we expect to get some info on the 2020 Supras and the redesigned SA? My 18 SL550 is itching to be traded in on a 2020:-D

You know you cant wait. Just trade it in blind.

[tre]

Goose mentioned a ton of good info on transmission ratios above. I have one more question. My current 2009 Supra 24SSV says it has a 1.46 to 1 V drive and a 1 to 1 transmission. When you are talking about the 1.76, are you talking transmission or V drive? Is the trans still 1 to 1 and the V drive is 1.76? I'm looking at upgrading to a new Supra and I'm trying to figure out if we'll be able to get my 76 year old Dad up on a Slalom ski like we can in our current Supra. He needs to get up fast or he can't get up. He can't drag in the water waiting for the boat to plane. Our current Supra has the 340HP ETX CAT and the boat weighs roughly 4000lbs. That is 11.6 HP per pound. A Supra SL with a 450 Raptor is 410HP which works out to 13.65 HP per pound. It get worse with the heavier SE at 15HP per pound. Those numbers make me think these new boats will be awesome for me and my kids to Surf and wakeboard but I'm worried I can't get my Dad up on a slalom Ski. I'm sure the 1.76 and props play a part in all of this as Goose explained. I'm trying to figure out what exactly is 1.76, the V drive or trans? I'd like to compare to my current Supra.

I meant pounds per horsepower. 2009 24' Supra = 11.6 lbs per HP. Current SL with 450 Raptor = 13.65 lbs per HP. Curret SE with 450 Raptor = 15 lbs per HP. Still my question about the ratio remains and if I can get my Dad up on a slalom ski without dragging him in the water too long before the boat is on plane.

[larry_arizona]

I meant pounds per horsepower. 2009 24' Supra = 11.6 lbs per HP. Current SL with 450 Raptor = 13.65 lbs per HP. Curret SE with 450 Raptor = 15 lbs per HP. Still my question about the ratio remains and if I can get my Dad up on a slalom ski without dragging him in the water too long before the boat is on plane.

I don’t think Boat mass per HP is what you want to calculate.

I would look at boat mass per Lb ft of torque at the prop.

You want to include torque multiplication of the 1.76 trans ratio.

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[DatTexasBoy]

The SA that showed up at our dealer had a 16" prop on it. It had the 400 motor.

[larry_arizona]

The SA that showed up at our dealer had a 16" prop on it. It had the 400 motor.

ACME 3499 16x17 to be exact. Only one prop option on the 2020 400/450 Supra’s


Moombas run the OJ 15.5x16.5 on the 400/450 for 2020.
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[Mobius22]

There's two prop options for the 2020 Supra 400/450s. There's a 16 x 15 and 16 x 17

[Prospersigman]

[QUOTE=Mobius22;346219]There's two prop options for the 2020 Supra 400/450s. There's a 16 x 15 and 16 x 17

There you have it...DT has spoken:cool:

Drew, can I spin a 16" prop on my 2018 SL550?

[dakota4ce]

There's two prop options for the 2020 Supra 400/450s. There's a 16 x 15 and 16 x 17

My 2020 SL450 came with 16x17 and with 1000# lead at 1450’ and a few people I can’t quite pull it.

16x15 would be the ticket. I have a 16x16.25 on it now and it’s working out.


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[larry_arizona]

My 2020 SL450 came with 16x17 and with 1000# lead at 1450’ and a few people I can’t quite pull it.

16x15 would be the ticket. I have a 16x16.25 on it now and it’s working out.


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What is your top speed with the 16x17?


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[dakota4ce]

What is your top speed with the 16x17?


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No clue.


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[larry_arizona]

No clue.


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Then I would absolutely opt for the 16x15

Is the octane booster working out so far?


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[dakota4ce]

Then I would absolutely opt for the 16x15

Is the octane booster working out so far?


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That was for the Makai I sold, and yes the Lucas product seems to work. Haven’t heard any complaints.


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