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RUGER761
06-04-2019, 09:40 AM
We looking to order a Max this fall, that being said I keep seeing everyone adding 1-2K extra ballast to them to make a huge massive wave. Does anyone have a stock ballast 3-5 crew picture of the wave that they surf? Or one with maybe 3-400lbs lead added only? I'm coming from an older D-Drive so obviously its going to beat that but I don't want to have to put in extra bags and kill the storage if I don't have to. Plus the wife wont be very happy with me if Im adding something to a new boat already. Ive surfed a few Malibu's and Nautique in the past with decent ballast and a gate added and for me they were pretty well good to go.

Stazi
06-04-2019, 11:00 AM
Big boats need big ballast. Making massive waves means you need to sink the hull as much as possible. The stock ballast they offer is not the most ideal as they need to conform to industry regulations about ballast/person capacity.
If you want to minimize that, then perhaps something like the Craz would be a better option for you, as you wonít need to get as crazy with the additional ballast to make a great surf wave.


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RUGER761
06-04-2019, 12:28 PM
I get that 100% for a massive wave you need a lot of ballast for a big boat, as there is no replacement for weight, but you can't tell me a boat with the stock weight and a small crew doesn't have a surfable wave or just a slight bit of lead with small crew. I'm coming from a D-Drive that I can surf all day long as its dialed in, so most V-drives even stock should beat it once dialed in. I'm not looking for the ultimate wave perfect wave as I'll never be a pro, just a nice rideable wave. I figure 3-400lbs of lead might be enough if I needed to add something. And that takes up almost no space in a Max. Just looking to see what a stock wave looks like so I have an idea before we make that investment as I know not everyone can be adding tons of ballast to them. I like the Craz but we like the room of a max more as there are a few days a year I will have 12 people in it. Those days we will have the massive wave :)

Surgical_ass
06-04-2019, 12:36 PM
Check out the max demo video on you tube. I believe he had stock ballast for that

Stazi
06-04-2019, 12:40 PM
You would need AT LEAST 500lb of lead weight, but I donít think that will even be enough for the Max. I would say 1000lbs would be ideal.

I have upgraded 1100ís in the rear of my Craz as well as the center tank, bow bag and 500lb of lead weight midship, and when I have 3 guys on the boat we also add 400lb bags across the back seat and one we switch to the side bench, depending on whoís surfing what side. 5 or more and we donít need the extra bags.

Without the extra bags the wave is technically surfable but not all that fun for adult men, with a small crew.

Again comparing the Max to an old LSV is not fair. The buoyancy is WAAAAY more in the Max.

Craz holds 15 so itís plenty big enough IMO.




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flienlow
06-04-2019, 03:45 PM
You would need AT LEAST 500lb of lead weight, but I donít think that will even be enough for the Max. I would say 1000lbs would be ideal.

I have upgraded 1100ís in the rear of my Craz as well as the center tank, bow bag and 500lb of lead weight midship, and when I have 3 guys on the boat we also add 400lb bags across the back seat and one we switch to the side bench, depending on whoís surfing what side. 5 or more and we donít need the extra bags.

Without the extra bags the wave is technically surfable but not all that fun for adult men, with a small crew.

Again comparing the Max to an old LSV is not fair. The buoyancy is WAAAAY more in the Max.

Craz holds 15 so itís plenty big enough IMO.




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My Max is not sorted yet. I have about 800lbs amidships per side. Its not even close to being enough for the max. My Max as it is with about 6+ people is pretty legit. I need to upgrade the rears to 1200s and add a bow bag.

I am going to borrow a buddies 900lbs sac and try a few different positions to gain some more data.

I finally read up on autowake,and will Play with that a little more too.

RUGER761
06-04-2019, 04:03 PM
Check out the max demo video on you tube. I believe he had stock ballast for that

Ive watched the video but kind of wondered what real results were vs marketing results as those can sometimes very. Plus I have about 40lbs on those riders :)

RUGER761
06-04-2019, 04:07 PM
You would need AT LEAST 500lb of lead weight, but I don’t think that will even be enough for the Max. I would say 1000lbs would be ideal.

I have upgraded 1100’s in the rear of my Craz as well as the center tank, bow bag and 500lb of lead weight midship, and when I have 3 guys on the boat we also add 400lb bags across the back seat and one we switch to the side bench, depending on who’s surfing what side. 5 or more and we don’t need the extra bags.

Without the extra bags the wave is technically surfable but not all that fun for adult men, with a small crew.

Again comparing the Max to an old LSV is not fair. The buoyancy is WAAAAY more in the Max.

Craz holds 15 so it’s plenty big enough IMO.




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OK next question, would you happen to know the trailer rating? Or how much lead it could handle without removing it? Thanks for all the answers very nice to know everything upfront vs surprises.

Stazi
06-04-2019, 04:14 PM
Should say right on the trailer sticker, if Iím not mistaken.


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KnoxMojo
06-04-2019, 04:15 PM
Pretty sure its the same Boatmate trailer for the Max and the SA. The SA weighs 1000 pounds more than the Max stock. So any added weight up to a reasonable amount should be fine. I have an extra 500 pounds in our SA with no issue. Just make sure it is spread out some.

KnoxMojo
06-04-2019, 04:40 PM
Should say right on the trailer sticker, if I’m not mistaken.


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And what he said, lol

haknslash
06-04-2019, 07:02 PM
Ive watched the video but kind of wondered what real results were vs marketing results as those can sometimes very. Plus I have about 40lbs on those riders :)

If you’re talking about my demo ride video there were no marketing stuff. It also wasn’t ideal as it was just me and the salesman. Last week I had a crew of 13 on the boat with no ballast the surf wave was legit! You’ll need to add weight to any of these boats if you want a really big wave. If you’re asking if people can surf on a stock Max the answer is yes. Check the Supra and Moomba Owners FB group as there was a recent post of Max wave pics and vids and some were stock to give you an idea. It’s a big boat and you’ll want to sink her to make big waves but if you don’t care about that then stock may work out for you. Best thing I can suggest is swing by your local dealer and have them take you out on a surf demo if they know how to setup the boat. I’m still trying to figure the settings out with stock but I do plan on upgrading as we don’t always have a big crew and usually just 3-6 of us.

haknslash
06-04-2019, 07:40 PM
OK next question, would you happen to know the trailer rating? Or how much lead it could handle without removing it? Thanks for all the answers very nice to know everything upfront vs surprises.

Here you go

http://i.imgur.com/8gnHUeq.jpg

Kirby
06-05-2019, 07:21 AM
So the weak link here is the tires? Trailer is rated to carry 7500 but with the small D rated 14" tires we shouldn't exceed 6100?

DFTR Josh
06-05-2019, 10:34 AM
We looking to order a Max this fall, that being said I keep seeing everyone adding 1-2K extra ballast to them to make a huge massive wave. Does anyone have a stock ballast 3-5 crew picture of the wave that they surf? Or one with maybe 3-400lbs lead added only? I'm coming from an older D-Drive so obviously its going to beat that but I don't want to have to put in extra bags and kill the storage if I don't have to. Plus the wife wont be very happy with me if Im adding something to a new boat already. Ive surfed a few Malibu's and Nautique in the past with decent ballast and a gate added and for me they were pretty well good to go.
Here it is... Stock weight and 3 people in the boat.

https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/62166820_1012397192484222_2696003589343543296_n.jp g?_nc_cat=102&_nc_eui2=AeGxEK9X3t4UWFdPf4oDAltD7S24B-jFv4B5RgXljhgpz1F3KYf6Sx040Hmgt6WAyjUneqDJnHq9G8KC i28IO8YcEA-zgitIVmsp71IehG7bLQ&_nc_oc=AQkRcv5cl3qpaVsDXEeqobTSYq0AoldwjLbqBkQVtU3 YahO5qC390kwGIp0GuE-Tz0V4xmQGD32pfgS0bgYjiHCu&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=9e655a1020d25e1c2f3a4433705ecdfd&oe=5D965DF9

flienlow
06-05-2019, 02:37 PM
Here it is... Stock weight and 3 people in the boat.

https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/62166820_1012397192484222_2696003589343543296_n.jp g?_nc_cat=102&_nc_eui2=AeGxEK9X3t4UWFdPf4oDAltD7S24B-jFv4B5RgXljhgpz1F3KYf6Sx040Hmgt6WAyjUneqDJnHq9G8KC i28IO8YcEA-zgitIVmsp71IehG7bLQ&_nc_oc=AQkRcv5cl3qpaVsDXEeqobTSYq0AoldwjLbqBkQVtU3 YahO5qC390kwGIp0GuE-Tz0V4xmQGD32pfgS0bgYjiHCu&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=9e655a1020d25e1c2f3a4433705ecdfd&oe=5D965DF9

Yeah, Its not a great selling point for the Max. :)

DFTR Josh
06-05-2019, 03:27 PM
Yeah, Its not a great selling point for the Max. :)
Ya I should have played with lower angles to help sell the stock wave appear much better :twisted:.

Kxmoomba
06-06-2019, 02:27 PM
First two pics are from last weekend with stock ballast. 3 adults in the boat and one baby and one surfer. We have the 720's but not the correct rear bags to plumb them in so for a short day (and a husband with a broken foot) we didn't fill any extra ballast. Its surf able for sure. But not as fun as with the 720's and about 300 up front.

Last 3 or so pics are with the 750's and 5 or so people in the boat. Still don't have it dialed in all the way. Having a hard time getting a setting that works for weight shifts.

KXCORKY
06-06-2019, 02:35 PM
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RUGER761
06-07-2019, 08:24 AM
Hopefully this posts today, keep getting error msg trying to reply.

Thinking I’m going to plan on just running 4-600 lead as it won’t take up much room in the Max. Thanks for the pictures and input

volfan705
06-07-2019, 09:43 AM
Yeah, Its not a great selling point for the Max. :)
I would be livid if I dropped 80k or more and this is the surf wave I would get!!! this type of info just keeps me in my faithful 07 XLV! My surf wave is amazing.. takes a while to fill up my internal bags one at a time and put my suck gate on but once its set up cant beat the performance!!

flienlow
06-07-2019, 10:35 AM
I would be livid if I dropped 80k or more and this is the surf wave I would get!!! this type of info just keeps me in my faithful 07 XLV! My surf wave is amazing.. takes a while to fill up my internal bags one at a time and put my suck gate on but once its set up cant beat the performance!!

I got a great deal on my '15 LSV Surf Edition. But I could never seem to get it dialed in, or give me a wave that would make me want to keep paying for it every month. Not only that, we had to swamp the boat so much that we kept dipping the nose, and there was no good place to put the delta mission wake shaper on the hull.
So what do you do? We were not throwing down a 100k for boat. I also didn't want an older boat and all the issues you WILL have with them. Out of everything on the Market, the Max seems to be the best deal for a new boat with all the "Surf Stuff". Remember this boat seats 17 people. Meaning that 17 people need to be sitting in it with full ballast having fun safely. Trust me, if you have all 17 people on board it will be great out of the gate. However, when You only have a crew of 3 for a last minute session, you are going to still need the weight of all 17 people. There is no way around it.

jcredible
06-07-2019, 10:52 AM
I totally agree with you flienlow...it is hard to expect a top quality wave out of the box with Moomba as they just don't have enough stock ballast.

With that being said, I create a great wave on my Mondo with only 1-2 in the boat. I would say that I prefer surfing with a smaller crew...so my wave actually works the best with only 2-3 in the boat as I know exactly how to weight it!

Some of the competitors are throwing a better stock wave...but in a max to get a great wave you are plumbing in some mid-ship lockers for an extra 1200-1400 lbs....and buying some lead or an IBS...all in you are still <$2,000 in upgrades to get that wave dialed! Getting into a Supra SL, Centurion FI, or something that comes with larger stock ballast will get you a better stock wave...but you are spending a LOT more!