Ladder for Moomba Max?

[gsword]

Has anyone had any success mounting a ladder under the swim platform on a Max (or Helix or Makai for that matter)? I’ve searched this forum and found a couple of threads where people started the project but I can’t tell if they ever finished it. Also, most of the threads are so old that the associated pictures are no longer available. We’ve got some older friends and parents that will be going out with us from time to time and I’d hate for somebody to get hurt trying to push themselves up into the platform. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

[jimmsch]

If you can't manage a ladder, the platform goes a couple of inches under water when ballasts are full. This might help people get back in.

[haknslash]

^^^ +1 we just add some rear ballast to lower the platform. Takes no time while heading into the cove. I had a ladder on my previous boat (Yamaha jet) and really loved the ladder but I'm not big into unsightly bolts and washers in my new swim platform plus I don't want to risk messing up the wave, so just add ballast for the time being and it works out pretty good.

[Kirby]

Same problem. My 75 year old mom is bummed she won't be able to climb a ladder back in, and I borrowed money from her for the downpayment! I do have a couple old ski/wake handles that I'm gonna try putting a clip on and hanging from the transom, but I'm worried they may step on a wakeplate or put pressure on it somehow, that can't be good, but I'll see what happens. I think I read on here others have done that.

[cpropes2005]

I added a ladder to the platform on my Mojo. Lag bolted it from the bottom and put a good bit of 3M 5200 to help secure it without the need for through bolts. Works great and has been going strong for a couple years now with use from 200+ lb people. Will try to dig up an old picture.

[Cookie]

I had my canvas guy make me a removable ladder out of 3” strap material. We added a weight at end to help stabilize. I designed it after a PWC ladder. That way I didn’t have to screw into my boat. I only have to bring it out with a few people that need a little more help. I will have to get pictures if you would like to see it.

[Branden967]

I had my canvas guy make me a removable ladder out of 3” strap material. We added a weight at end to help stabilize. I designed it after a PWC ladder. That way I didn’t have to screw into my boat. I only have to bring it out with a few people that need a little more help. I will have to get pictures if you would like to see it.

That sounds interesting, I’d like to see the pics on that.

[trayson]

I got this from Amazon, but haven't used it yet.

https://www.amazon.com/Hardline-Products-Riser-Boarding-Ladder/dp/B0022ZYK20

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71-COxWUizL._SL1500_.jpg

But David Langston put a legit standless fold down ladder on his Mojo and it came out pretty damn nice.

[RC_Hinojosa]

Here is the one David installed under his Mojo's platform....super clean install and no adverse effect on wave & wake...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190722/9602ed6d399a053e52bec9cc862603bb.jpg

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[denalixxx]

This Looks Good and its easy to hook up and release .... ?


https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41%2BIOlhDvdL.jpg

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/31H1Ygf7b3L.jpg

https://amzn.to/2YNEfWz

[rdlangston13]

Here is my ladder that RC referenced.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190807/f72012d92daeedbf422e5870f3597496.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190807/7dafeee42b511e531bbabd01b23a2ef6.jpg




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[z28ke]

Here is my ladder that RC referenced.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190807/f72012d92daeedbf422e5870f3597496.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190807/7dafeee42b511e531bbabd01b23a2ef6.jpg




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I showed these photos to my wife and now she’s insistent this be our next mod. I believe I read in another thread a mention of it rattling when underway, have you figured out a fix or is not noticeable enough to be a big deal?

[rdlangston13]

I showed these photos to my wife and now she’s insistent this be our next mod. I believe I read in another thread a mention of it rattling when underway, have you figured out a fix or is not noticeable enough to be a big deal?

It rattle while the engine is on at idle. It's not terrible but it is noticeable. When actually cruising and I can't hear anything. It's not bad enough for me to pursue a way to silence it. I would imagine if you have an FAE or surf pipe it may not rattle at all. I think its the bubbles hitting it from the exhaust at idle that make the sound.

[Arcadyus]

Only thread in 15 on the new posts section that isn't a bot. Makes it almost useless to continuing using this forum when the Facebook page is so much better. We just add ballast to the rear bags, built in ladder.

[RC_Hinojosa]

Only thread in 15 on the new posts section that isn't a bot. Makes it almost useless to continuing using this forum when the Facebook page is so much better. We just add ballast to the rear bags, built in ladder.I disagree, the facebook page gets hit with constant repetitive questions.

The guys on the forum have the real institutional knowledge.

For example, Goose doesn't post on FB, just on the forum....

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[BigOrange]

I disagree, the facebook page gets hit with constant repetitive questions.

The guys on the forum have the real institutional knowledge.

For example, Goose doesn't post on FB, just on the forum....

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Echo that for the folks like me, who don't use Facebook! If the forum dried up I'd be starving for info and a place to get my questions answered or for wake boat related discussion.

[larry_arizona]

Anti Facebook also.

Full of so much false information.


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[z28ke]

It rattle while the engine is on at idle. It's not terrible but it is noticeable. When actually cruising and I can't hear anything. It's not bad enough for me to pursue a way to silence it. I would imagine if you have an FAE or surf pipe it may not rattle at all. I think its the bubbles hitting it from the exhaust at idle that make the sound.

Ok thank you, I’ll report back once I order and get it mounted since I do have the surf pipe.


I’m not on Facebook either for what it’s worth....

[denalixxx]

Not a Facebook user as well.

[MJHSupra]

Over the years all the traffic has been moving to social media and that is why that Facebook page has over 8k members. A lot of them are newbies and just want a quick answer to something they do not know about.

I use both, but have multiple friends that were on the Moomba or Supra Forums and no longer log on. They say “old, clunky tech, same people posting, and not much action”. But they use Facebook and contribute to that platform.

Agree with the post above of the annoying FBook posts on the same subjects:
Wakemaker codes....
What ballast and where...
What surf board for a big guy....
Etc

Different strokes for different folks.


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[MJHSupra]

Thread high-jack. Love the ladder, my buddy has one on his X30. I think that could be an option on MCs.

[Arcadyus]

Sorry I also don't have FB butade a fake account just for that group. It is Def more active than here.

[RC_Hinojosa]

Sorry I also don't have FB butade a fake account just for that group. It is Def more active than here.....and yet here you are [emoji57]

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[Arcadyus]

....and yet here you are [emoji57]

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right Because FB is terrible. I quit social media a few years ago. Just wish all the spam would go away. Why is the ladder a issue or thing? Isn't it just easier to fill ballast until the deck is submerged?

[RC_Hinojosa]

right Because FB is terrible. I quit social media a few years ago. Just wish all the spam would go away. Why is the ladder a issue or thing? Isn't it just easier to fill ballast until the deck is submerged?Some folks have older family members that struggle to get on the swim platform in open water.

Whether or not the platform is submerged is irrelevant, generally the older family members need a few rungs to step up from.

David is pretty accommodating. I must be a dick for not inviting old people out [emoji1787]

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[larry_arizona]

I would much prefer someone using a ladder than either whacking there leg or using the surf plates or surf pipe as a step.


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[MJHSupra]

I would much prefer someone using a ladder than either whacking there leg or using the surf plates or surf pipe as a step.


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Agree with that. I start to get nervous when anyone starts climbing around back there.

Feel bad watching the older folks struggle to get back on. Try to help but I do not want to embarrass them.


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[larry_arizona]

Agree with that. I start to get nervous when anyone starts climbing around back there.

Feel bad watching the older folks struggle to get back on. Try to help but I do not want to embarrass them.


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Had some of my sons friends on the boat today and I worry about them getting cut on the plates and pipe.

They all pop onto the swim platform like seals onto a rock.


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[Boonejeepin]

I installed a ladder on the Max for the in-laws. They struggle and even had someone slice their knee in the surf tabs while struggling to get on the platform.

I used 1 1/4 inch stainless screws and 5200. Hope it holds and does not mess up my surf wave.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190815/db1fe882f8f79abaf182a19ce803485b.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190815/dc15976382708b822f5ca27718c6a05a.jpg


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[rdlangston13]

Looks good. The 5200 is a good idea, wish I would have thought of that!

[Boonejeepin]

Looks good. The 5200 is a good idea, wish I would have thought of that!

You could always pull the screws and apply 5200. I hope I want it to be a permanent install because it is now that the 5200 is installed. LOL


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[c h r i s]

I installed a ladder on the Max for the in-laws. They struggle and even had someone slice their knee in the surf tabs while struggling to get on the platform.

I used 1 1/4 inch stainless screws and 5200. Hope it holds and does not mess up my surf wave.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190815/db1fe882f8f79abaf182a19ce803485b.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190815/dc15976382708b822f5ca27718c6a05a.jpg


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Man oh man, please let us know how this works for you. I’d like to do the same if it doesn’t eff your wave and/or wakes up.


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[MJHSupra]

Somebody on here mounted one on a newer SE. Reported no effect on wake or wave.

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[rdlangston13]

Man oh man, please let us know how this works for you. I’d like to do the same if it doesn’t eff your wave and/or wakes up.


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I have seen no adverse effects on the wave. Doesn't touch the water once you get around surf speed and higher. Just don't forget to put it up.

[Boonejeepin]

I have seen no adverse effects on the wave. Doesn't touch the water once you get around surf speed and higher. Just don't forget to put it up.

No effect on the wave that I could notice.


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[Max20]

Old thread - I ordered one of the ladders off Amazon - only $55. Just confirming those that have installed the 1-1/4 long screws are fine to use? Just want to make sure they’re not too long.

Anyone care to share diameter of drill bit used for pilot holes?

I did buy some 5200 btw - nice touch for whoever thought of that

[sandm]

also following. what's the weight capacity of those and any issues with it pulling out? want to install but really don't want to thrubolt.
will the 1 1/4 screws hold with a 250lb person trying to seal up on the platform?

[Boonejeepin]

also following. what's the weight capacity of those and any issues with it pulling out? want to install but really don't want to thrubolt.
will the 1 1/4 screws hold with a 250lb person trying to seal up on the platform?

I have since traded the boat but with the screws and 5200 there was never any signs of movement. I believe the 5200 was giving as much if not more holding power than the screws.


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[rdlangston13]

So far mine is still holding strong with just the screws and no 5200. We have probably had 250 lbers use it as well.


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[Max20]

Care to share what size drill bit you used to pre-drill the screw holes?

[rdlangston13]

Care to share what size drill bit you used to pre-drill the screw holes?

I don’t remember the exact size. I think I just got one that looked as thick as the screws minus the threads. I did mark the bit for depth so I would not drill too far


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[Max20]

Thanks for the response - that’s my plan....eyeball the bit diameter and tape it for depth.

[Max20]

I installed the ladder yesterday. Pretty straightforward. I purchased the one that stows via spring pressure and clip on either side of the frame. Pretty slick actually. There is a small handle after the last rung and after a lot of careful thought I decided it would be best for that handle to be just inside the platform to prevent it from being in the way when sitting on the deck with feet in the water or if someone has a wakeboard on and settling into the late. The only problem now is it there is a potential pinch point when deploying the ladder between that handle and the swim deck lip.

So....if I were to do it again I would likely choose a ladder with a strap and snap to secure it when stowed. For what it’s worth.

I did use 5200 and the 1-1/4 stainless screws that came with it. It’s never coming off now

[haknslash]

I installed the ladder yesterday. Pretty straightforward. I purchased the one that stows via spring pressure and clip on either side of the frame. Pretty slick actually. There is a small handle after the last rung and after a lot of careful thought I decided it would be best for that handle to be just inside the platform to prevent it from being in the way when sitting on the deck with feet in the water or if someone has a wakeboard on and settling into the late. The only problem now is it there is a potential pinch point when deploying the ladder between that handle and the swim deck lip.

So....if I were to do it again I would likely choose a ladder with a strap and snap to secure it when stowed. For what it’s worth.

I did use 5200 and the 1-1/4 stainless screws that came with it. It’s never coming off now

Got any pics of your install?

I would like to get the same style I had on my previous Yamaha jet boat. I think it was made by Windline. It had a little rubber strap to keep it retracted and offered good solid support.

https://i.imgur.com/kBXJy7F.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/FC4xBWK.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/qnvrfqA.jpg

[sandm]

as well. I think this is the next spend of monies for us. got a few that we want to invite but not sure they can get back into the boat.

[SONIC]

I've been considering adding a ladder to my SA.

My question is what are people holding on to as they climb in?
Kind of tough to climb a ladder with nowhere to put your hands no?

[haknslash]

I've been considering adding a ladder to my SA.

My question is what are people holding on to as they climb in?
Kind of tough to climb a ladder with nowhere to put your hands no?

Good question as we did have a grab handle above the ladder on the Yamaha. My guess would be to use the edge of the swim deck until high enough up to use the rear grab handle on the stern?

[Shoebox]

I've been considering adding a ladder to my SA.

My question is what are people holding on to as they climb in?
Kind of tough to climb a ladder with nowhere to put your hands no?You could always get an old ski handle and attach it to the grab handle whenever you put the ladder out.

[haknslash]

Got any pics of your install?

I would like to get the same style I had on my previous Yamaha jet boat. I think it was made by Windline. It had a little rubber strap to keep it retracted and offered good solid support.

https://i.imgur.com/kBXJy7F.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/FC4xBWK.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/qnvrfqA.jpg

Bump to the top. My wife is asking what I want for Christmas and one of the gifts is for sure a ladder. Tired of running the pumps just to drop the ass end. I'm having an issue finding one with a strap like I had on my Yamaha. Anyone found one that is a 3 or 4 step telescoping ladder with a strap that won't break the bank? I searched for Windline WND SM-4XB which is what I believe came on my Yamaha and that thing is like over $400!!! No way I'm paying that lol. Reason I want one with a strap is to hopefully alleviate any rattles that the other styles of ladders that just sit in a slot are said to do.

Edit - found this one https://www.amazon.com/Marinebaby-Stainless-Telescoping-Platform-Retaining/dp/B086MNSDPY/ref=sr_1_10?keywords=telescoping+boat+ladder+with+ strap&qid=1637946168&qsid=131-2061832-9512622&sr=8-10&sres=B07VG84CMM%2CB08CB3WQ1T%2CB00ZWOJ6O0%2CB073SD 3DR2%2CB08KXMSH73%2CB07SNHVM53%2CB0176V21BG%2CB098 SWH9GH%2CB086MNSDPY%2CB07Q28TQT5%2CB07RYCSFNB%2CB0 1I67QHIC%2CB01IT142AA%2CB071DD5F19%2CB07DZSFHG5%2C B00COCD2BG%2CB0097L6KMK%2CB07MBLJXZS%2CB071DD543C% 2CB08CTX9HVH&srpt=LADDER. Might give it a try. Not many reviews though...

[haknslash]

Also this one with a spring type latch. I wonder if this would rattle? https://www.amazon.com/Stainless-Platform-Sliding-Boarding-Telescoping/dp/B07VVGZ3FC/ref=sr_1_28?keywords=telescoping+boat+ladder+with+ strap&qid=1637946326&qsid=131-2061832-9512622&sr=8-28&sres=B07VG84CMM%2CB08CB3WQ1T%2CB00ZWOJ6O0%2CB073SD 3DR2%2CB08KXMSH73%2CB07SNHVM53%2CB0176V21BG%2CB098 SWH9GH%2CB086MNSDPY%2CB07Q28TQT5%2CB07RYCSFNB%2CB0 1I67QHIC%2CB01IT142AA%2CB071DD5F19%2CB07DZSFHG5%2C B00COCD2BG%2CB0097L6KMK%2CB07MBLJXZS%2CB071DD543C% 2CB08CTX9HVH&srpt=LADDER

[htfit]

Also this one with a spring type latch. I wonder if this would rattle? https://www.amazon.com/Stainless-Platform-Sliding-Boarding-Telescoping/dp/B07VVGZ3FC/ref=sr_1_28?keywords=telescoping+boat+ladder+with+ strap&qid=1637946326&qsid=131-2061832-9512622&sr=8-28&sres=B07VG84CMM%2CB08CB3WQ1T%2CB00ZWOJ6O0%2CB073SD 3DR2%2CB08KXMSH73%2CB07SNHVM53%2CB0176V21BG%2CB098 SWH9GH%2CB086MNSDPY%2CB07Q28TQT5%2CB07RYCSFNB%2CB0 1I67QHIC%2CB01IT142AA%2CB071DD5F19%2CB07DZSFHG5%2C B00COCD2BG%2CB0097L6KMK%2CB07MBLJXZS%2CB071DD543C% 2CB08CTX9HVH&srpt=LADDERI have the spring latch on my max. Mine does not rattle.

Just be particular on how for forward or back you mount it as it can be in a position where it is a pain to open and close the ladder because it can be a tight squeeze for your fingers between the swim platform and ladder.

Just need to learn how to open and close it with palms up vs instinctively grabbing it on top, if that makes any sense at all.

I can also see that rubber latch being a pain to get on and off when it is all the way under the platform.

Mine is mounted completely under the swim platform where it may be designed to stick out an inch or 2.

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[haknslash]

I understand what you mean about placement and I can envision it being a pinch point if mounted close to the edge. Good to know yours does not rattle. Is it the same brand in the link?

[htfit]

The one I got was Dasmarine. I would imagine they probably are all the same and just rebranded.

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[haknslash]

Thanks for the input. Sent the link to the wife so she could order for Xmas. I’ll report back any issues with it. Going to mount it with 4200 and screws so it should hopefully be secure for my 230 lb ass :D

[Hayden]

I'm also wanting to add this but have one question for anyone who has already installed it;

For all of the 3-4 step ladders on Amazon, it seems they all share the same basic design for pullout and extension of the ladder. When the ladder is in the extended (climbable) position, what is preventing the extended portion from swinging underneath the boat when someone tries to climb it?

It appears from the pictures that it would just swing on the sliding screws and create an awkward angle for someone trying to get up. What prevents that from happening?


Edit: Nevermind, I see it now, there's a bottom runner that would block it.

[Tommy2slow]

Is it difficult/awkward to stow the ladder after everyone is back in the boat?

[SONIC]

Is it difficult/awkward to stow the ladder after everyone is back in the boat?

A bit lat here but yeah.
It's doable but it's not easy and you're bending over trying to shove it in there.
I close it while in the water and then climb up.

[Large Farva]

Thanks for the input. Sent the link to the wife so she could order for Xmas. I’ll report back any issues with it. Going to mount it with 4200 and screws so it should hopefully be secure for my 230 lb ass :D

I saw a ladder in your Christmas post on the general chat, Did you install it yet? If so, any input on how far from the back lip you placed it?

[haknslash]

I saw a ladder in your Christmas post on the general chat, Did you install it yet? If so, any input on how far from the back lip you placed it?

Sadly I haven’t had time to drive down to the storage and install it. I’ll take some pics when I do.

[Large Farva]

Cool, I only have the wake maker’s to install. Got room for a couple more projects.

[haknslash]

Went to the storage unit today to install the new seat pedestal. I didn’t have lag screws with me or 5200 adhesive but it did see how the ladder would look. Can’t wait to use this thing and not have to fill ballast to make things easy to get back in the boat.

https://i.imgur.com/LNMHMje.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/RDo8dHS.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/kkQeluq.jpg

[Max20]

Went to the storage unit today to install the new seat pedestal. I didn’t have lag screws with me or 5200 adhesive but it did see how the ladder would look. Can’t wait to use this thing and not have to fill ballast to make things easy to get back in the boat.

https://i.imgur.com/LNMHMje.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/RDo8dHS.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/kkQeluq.jpg

I have the same ladder. One point of caution it can be tricky storing and deploying because of the spring loaded catch. Let me dig up a picture of my install if I can find it and I will tell you it can be a real finger pincher on the lip of the swim platform. Because the springs are so tight it’s nearly impossible to dry fit before making it permanent but if you can figure out how to fix it in a position with clamps or something and test storing it and deploying it I would HIGHLY recommend it

[Max20]

The only picture I could find is with the ladder down and mine is slightly different as it has a round grab handle welded onto the last rung which I made about flush with the edge of the deck. It’s definitely an excellent addition to the boat but a bitch to get out and put away.

[haknslash]

Yes I didn’t get that ladder because of that reason. I have read about it being tight to clasp depending on ladder and I’m going to space line so I have enough gap to operate it.