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sivs1
03-13-2019, 01:14 PM
I have not been too active on here lately.

The 2013 Supra SA450 has moved onto a new home. New owner is about five hours south of me, so am doubtful will them on the water.

Onto the next boat!

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moombacraze
03-13-2019, 02:03 PM
Congrats on the sell! Whatís your plans for the next boat?!


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sivs1
03-13-2019, 02:10 PM
Congrats on the sell! What’s your plans for the next boat?!


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Should be signing final paperwork on Keenan Flegel's boat Saturday.

sandm
03-13-2019, 02:20 PM
congrats... centurion?

sivs1
03-13-2019, 02:23 PM
congrats... centurion?

Yes, 2017 Ri237

RC_Hinojosa
03-13-2019, 02:34 PM
What's next?

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sivs1
03-13-2019, 03:03 PM
What's next?

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See above...

Matt0520
03-13-2019, 03:08 PM
See above...

Niiiice! Wave machine


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RC_Hinojosa
03-13-2019, 03:19 PM
See above...Congrats

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larry_arizona
03-13-2019, 03:30 PM
The RI237 is a beautiful boat. Heavily considered one.


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Broke Pilot
03-13-2019, 03:54 PM
Same here... super close to signed for one. Great boat and wave. Just no support in Houston!
Congrats! Enjoy and show us that wave!

larry_arizona
03-13-2019, 03:59 PM
Local centurion dealer is a shit show.

That and I just liked the SA better. Centurions are very rare around here, and the local dealer sat on 2 17ís all last year and still has a heavily discounted 17 demo with 135hours for $89k


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sivs1
03-13-2019, 04:06 PM
Local centurion dealer is a shit show.

That and I just liked the SA better. Centurions are very rare around here, and the local dealer sat on 2 17’s all last year and still has a heavily discounted 17 demo with 135hours for $89k


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We are very fortunate here in Utah with dealer support. Marine Products is one of the most awarded and top rated Supra/Moomba dealer in the country. The local Centurion dealer is their largest and most awarded dealer. If it wasn't for that I would be getting Keenan's boat.

dakota4ce
03-13-2019, 05:53 PM
Hopefully you get Keenanís surf skills too!


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Matt0520
03-13-2019, 05:56 PM
We are very fortunate here in Utah with dealer support. Marine Products is one of the most awarded and top rated Supra/Moomba dealer in the country. The local Centurion dealer is their largest and most awarded dealer. If it wasn't for that I would be getting Keenan's boat.

Seems like a lot of the powerhouses are out west. Galeyís, AWS, MP, etc


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MJHSupra
03-13-2019, 07:57 PM
Yes, 2017 Ri237Did you look at the Fi?

Does it have the new exhaust and does that solve the hydro-locking issues they had?

Do post some pics when you get that rig rolling.

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Matt0520
03-13-2019, 08:03 PM
Did you look at the Fi?

Does it have the new exhaust and does that solve the hydro-locking issues they had?

Do post some pics when you get that rig rolling.

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Yeah what was it...the Stinger plate allowed a bunch of water to flow into the motor when the boat was at full ballast or something?


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larry_arizona
03-13-2019, 09:25 PM
The fit and finish between an Ri and Fi is night and day.

The Fi is no bueno.

Ri beautiful, Fi embarrassing


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jmvotto
03-13-2019, 10:00 PM
Congrats on the new ride

sivs1
03-14-2019, 10:07 AM
The fit and finish between an Ri and Fi is night and day.

The Fi is no bueno.

Ri beautiful, Fi embarrassing


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I'm surprised you felt that way about the Fi. We demoed the Fi and felt it was great, it was loaded so maybe the one you saw was bare bones. I do agree the Ri is an amazing boat and can't wait to get on the water with ours. When I talked to Keenan he was sad to see it go. We have week long trip in April planned with it so I will be sure to post up some pictures for you.

larry_arizona
03-14-2019, 10:21 AM
I'm surprised you felt that way about the Fi. We demoed the Fi and felt it was great, it was loaded so maybe the one you saw was bare bones. I do agree the Ri is an amazing boat and can't wait to get on the water with ours. When I talked to Keenan he was sad to see it go. We have week long trip in April planned with it so I will be sure to post up some pictures for you.

I come from the automotive engineering field and the Fi 23 I sat in at the 2018 boat show was simply terrible with fit and finish.

The gaps and trim fitment was embarrassing and I sat with one of the Centurion VPís in the boat and pointed out every ďrat holeĒ on the dash and interior.

Rat holes is an industry term for a bad gap between trim pieces big enough for a rat to fit through.

I used to have pics of them, let me see if I can find them.

He understood and took note, maybe the 19ís are improved??


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jason1973
03-14-2019, 10:52 AM
I think its a really nice looking boat that has a killer surf wave. I would be very concerned with the hydrolock problem however. Make sure that problem is taken care of because that could be a big deal.

dakota4ce
03-14-2019, 11:08 AM
I come from the automotive engineering field and the Fi 23 I sat in at the 2018 boat show was simply terrible with fit and finish.

The gaps and trim fitment was embarrassing and I sat with one of the Centurion VPís in the boat and pointed out every ďrat holeĒ on the dash and interior.

Rat holes is an industry term for a bad gap between trim pieces big enough for a rat to fit through.

I used to have pics of them, let me see if I can find them.

He understood and took note, maybe the 19ís are improved??


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Amazingly I saw the same rat holes. The dash almost looked homemade to me. Like a kit car done in a garage.

Havenít pored over an Ri. Assume itís a lot better.


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MJHSupra
03-14-2019, 11:18 AM
I was not looking to bash the boat on that hydrolock issue, but looking to know if that new exhaust fixed or helped the issue. I recall reading some pissed-off owners on that forum. I have not been on that forum for a long time.

The Fi and Ri looked nice to me at the boat show. Hoping to catch a ride on that big 25 this summer. Too big for me to want to own, but the 23' is the perfect size.

Ed_Geary
03-14-2019, 11:22 AM
"Hopefully you get Keenan’s surf skills too!"

I once spent the day surfing with Keenan and his brother Noah. They surprised the hell out of me by both of them getting on one board - while going 10 mph and then Keenan got on Noah shoulders and they continued around the lake.

This was captured by PBS as a TV documentary called "Boards on the Water".

sandm
03-14-2019, 11:28 AM
I've been in a couple of centurions and my opinion was the same as posted above. one of if not the best surf waves ever WHEN DIALED with some very nice proprietary wave technology and best factory ballast in the industry but I could not get past the fit/finish of the dash and interior pieces/parts.
no dealers here locally and haven't been to a boat show since '17 so my experience was from '13-'17. hope they have improved.

at the end of the day doesn't matter what all of us say if you like it enjoy. I'd love to ride that wave.....

trayson
03-14-2019, 11:42 AM
Did you look at the Fi?

Does it have the new exhaust and does that solve the hydro-locking issues they had?

Do post some pics when you get that rig rolling.

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Yeah what was it...the Stinger plate allowed a bunch of water to flow into the motor when the boat was at full ballast or something?


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My understanding is that because the hull is SOOO deep and there's limitations on driveline angle, that the engine sits REALLY low comparted to the waterline when the boat is slammed. If you look into the engine compartment, you'll see how low the engine is relative to what we're more used to seeing on wake boats.

The "solutions" are fairly straightforward but they're work arounds for sure. 1) If you're going to shut off the engine, empty the ram-fill ballast first. 2) leave the engine running while the boat is slammed.

Basically at rest, the engine on a fully ballasted boat is so low that the exhaust risers are below the water line and when the engine's not running, the water can go from the exhaust outlet up and over the risers and into the block. Yes, it has a flapper, but that doesn't seal watertight so it could slow the backflow but not eliminate it.

jason1973
03-14-2019, 11:55 AM
And your right about where the engine sits. These boats require deeper water for sure. The draft on them is 36" on the bigger models. Even the MXZ 24' is 27" of draft.

larry_arizona
03-14-2019, 12:05 PM
In all fairness, the Fi is an entry level boat for Centurion and the Ri is high end.

Ri is much nicer than Fi as it should for the price delta.

Some might really not care about the interior fit and finish as long as the wave is good.

I will say Centurion offered to fly the wife and I to California to tour their factory on their dime.

Really nice offer, but picked the Supra.


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padge
03-14-2019, 12:52 PM
In all fairness, the Fi is an entry level boat for Centurion and the Ri is high end.

Ri is much nicer than Fi as it should for the price delta.

Some might really not care about the interior fit and finish as long as the wave is good.

I will say Centurion offered to fly the wife and I to California to tour their factory on their dime.

Really nice offer, but picked the Supra.


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Most of the time, if they have to buy your business, itís not worth it.


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larry_arizona
03-14-2019, 12:53 PM
Most of the time, if they have to buy your business, itís not worth it.


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I agree, and we didnít go.


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padge
03-14-2019, 12:56 PM
I agree, and we didnít go.


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Supra would be my choice


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MJHSupra
03-14-2019, 01:08 PM
Basically at rest, the engine on a fully ballasted boat is so low that the exhaust risers are below the water line and when the engine's not running, the water can go from the exhaust outlet up and over the risers and into the block.

Thanks! I do recall reading that on their forum.


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dakota4ce
03-14-2019, 01:15 PM
In all fairness, the Fi is an entry level boat for Centurion and the Ri is high end.


The entry level moniker is misleading with regard to price. Easily over 100 in a heartbeat on the 23 and the 25 at Polar Bear apparently had an MSRP of 180??!!

They will tell you itís an ala carte boat where you can choose the options you want. Trouble is choosing any of them makes it expensive.


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padge
03-14-2019, 01:19 PM
The entry level moniker is misleading with regard to price. Easily over 100 in a heartbeat on the 23 and the 25 at Polar Bear apparently had an MSRP of 180??!!

They will tell you itís an ala carte boat where you can choose the options you want. Trouble is choosing any of them makes it expensive.


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I saw that. 180 is Supra se territory


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Matt0520
03-14-2019, 01:21 PM
My understanding is that because the hull is SOOO deep and there's limitations on driveline angle, that the engine sits REALLY low comparted to the waterline when the boat is slammed. If you look into the engine compartment, you'll see how low the engine is relative to what we're more used to seeing on wake boats.

The "solutions" are fairly straightforward but they're work arounds for sure. 1) If you're going to shut off the engine, empty the ram-fill ballast first. 2) leave the engine running while the boat is slammed.

Basically at rest, the engine on a fully ballasted boat is so low that the exhaust risers are below the water line and when the engine's not running, the water can go from the exhaust outlet up and over the risers and into the block. Yes, it has a flapper, but that doesn't seal watertight so it could slow the backflow but not eliminate it.

Wow interesting. Makes me like the factory surf pipe with the tall bend design. I assume thatís by design to keep water flowing one way only.


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larry_arizona
03-14-2019, 01:33 PM
180k for an Fi25??

What does an Ri237 MSRP for? $200+?


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Prospersigman
03-14-2019, 01:39 PM
This one is used and 4 sale locally...

https://www.onlyinboards.com/Pro-Athlete-2018-Centurion-Ri257-for-sale-LEWISVILLE-Texas-89694.aspx

This one is yellow, which is not helping it sell...I would assume.

https://www.onlyinboards.com/2018-Centurion-Ri257-for-sale-Pevely-Missouri-92229.aspx

larry_arizona
03-14-2019, 01:44 PM
https://www.onlyinboards.com/2019-Centurion-Ri257-LOADED-Lake-of-the-Ozarks-for-sale-Osage-Beach-Missouri-89298.aspx

Damn, over $200k MSRP

Doesnít even have the LSA supercharged engine option.

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sandm
03-14-2019, 02:12 PM
those prices are INSANE for a centurion.

jmvotto
03-14-2019, 02:14 PM
125 for a new fi23 in our area 19

sivs1
03-14-2019, 02:24 PM
Before this gets into a pissing match of who has the highest priced boat. In my opinion there are really only three top Manufacturers when it comes to Wake Surf boats, Supra, Nautique and Centurion. Each brand brings their own uniqueness to the market and each brand has a top priced boat. Yes, Malibu, Centurion, Nautique and soon to be Supra all have boats that MSRP over $200k, that's more than I paid for my first and second houses. One could look at see dealer cost and see these all have big dealer mark ups, but think of the support the dealer provides.

I looked at all three. I really wanted to stick with a Supra SA, but the ones I found in my budget only had the 400, I boat at 6,000 feet and felt the 400 would not cut it for me. I could not find a G23 in my budget at all and debated on a SAN230. I started to look at the ZS232 and actually had a demo on the very first one off the factory floor, I was convinced this was going to be my next boat however the opportunity I got with Keenan's boat is a once in a lifetime deal. The brands mentioned above all build great boats and try to differentiate themselves as much as possible and still deliver a superior product, I don't think you could really go wrong with any, except maybe Bu.

I loved our Moomba LSV, the upgrade to the Supra SA450 was awesome, I can't wait to get the Ri237 on the water and really dial it in. I'll come back and share pictures. All I'm really saying, a Ford, a GM, a Ram will all tow the boat just fine, it comes down to what do you personally want while behind the wheel.

KnoxMojo
03-14-2019, 02:44 PM
[QUOTE=sivs1;338619]
I'll come back and share pictures. [QUOTE]

Please don't, lets keep this forum Moomba and Supra. Want to post pics of your new ride, maybe do it on Wakeworld or Centurion. Congrats on your new boat, hope you get many years of service out of it.

shockthis
03-14-2019, 03:30 PM
I don't think it is an issue if he posts a couple of pics. I am not against it.


[QUOTE=sivs1;338619]
I'll come back and share pictures. [QUOTE]

Please don't, lets keep this forum Moomba and Supra. Want to post pics of your new ride, maybe do it on Wakeworld or Centurion. Congrats on your new boat, hope you get many years of service out of it.

padge
03-14-2019, 03:44 PM
I don't think it is an issue if he posts a couple of pics. I am not against it.

[QUOTE=KnoxMojo;338620][QUOTE=sivs1;338619]
I'll come back and share pictures.

Me either


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Matt0520
03-14-2019, 03:45 PM
I started to look at the ZS232 and actually had a demo on the very first one off the factory floor, I was convinced this was going to be my next boat however the opportunity I got with Keenan's boat is a once in a lifetime deal.

Those throw great waves but I canít get past the dash on Supremes or the MBs for that matter. Total parts-bin-special to my eyes. No cohesive design or layout.


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sivs1
03-14-2019, 04:12 PM
Those throw great waves but I can’t get past the dash on Supremes or the MBs for that matter. Total parts-bin-special to my eyes. No cohesive design or layout.


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100%, only thing I did not like about the ZS line.

Prospersigman
03-14-2019, 04:23 PM
[QUOTE=sivs1;338619]
I'll come back and share pictures. [QUOTE]

Please don't, lets keep this forum Moomba and Supra. Want to post pics of your new ride, maybe do it on Wakeworld or Centurion. Congrats on your new boat, hope you get many years of service out of it.

Freaking Knox cracks me up!!! He said "Please don't" :cool:

If Knox had his way we Supra owners wouldn't even be able to post on here...Oh wait Knox has a Supra now so I guess its okay.

This entire thread started out as him saying goodbye to Supra and forum members and turned into a who's hose is bigger and better built.

KnoxMojo
03-14-2019, 04:37 PM
[QUOTE=KnoxMojo;338620][QUOTE=sivs1;338619]
I'll come back and share pictures.

Freaking Knox cracks me up!!! He said "Please don't" :cool:

If Knox had his way we Supra owners wouldn't even be able to post on here...Oh wait Knox has a Supra now so I guess its okay.

This entire thread started out as him saying goodbye to Supra and forum members and turned into a who's hose is bigger and better built.

I have been conditioned to tolerate the masses, what can I say. lol... Plus the Supra page is next to nothing with the new boats. 1 thing I won't ever not do, is not speak my mind. Happy days!!

sandm
03-14-2019, 07:56 PM
man, I've been wrong and now corrected. I always thought the "big 3" everyone has been chasing were nautique, bu and mc.

maybe we should change the verbage to the big 9 so no one gets offended or hurt :)

that being said siv, please post up pics. although I find centurions overpriced, lets face it...... boat porn is boat porn.....

MJHSupra
03-14-2019, 08:48 PM
[QUOTE=Prospersigman;338625][QUOTE=KnoxMojo;338620]
Plus the Supra page is next to nothing with the new boats.


The poor Supra forum . . . In the past, I have caused some conflict basically saying the same thing on that site.


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MJHSupra
03-14-2019, 08:56 PM
[QUOTE=KnoxMojo;338620][QUOTE=sivs1;338619]
This entire thread started out as him saying goodbye to Supra and forum members and turned into a who's hose is bigger and better built.

Wakeworld Part II, plus add the fact everyone is chomping to get boats out.


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larry_arizona
03-14-2019, 09:25 PM
[QUOTE=KnoxMojo;338620][QUOTE=sivs1;338619]


This entire thread started out as him saying goodbye to Supra and forum members and turned into a who's hose is bigger and better built.

I think the majority thought his ri was a great boat.

I think the only negative feedback was on the fi model.


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KnoxMojo
03-15-2019, 12:14 AM
[QUOTE=KnoxMojo;338626][QUOTE=Prospersigman;338625]

The poor Supra forum . . . In the past, I have caused some conflict basically saying the same thing on that site.


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I asked about them being combined, but was basically told that even though they are both Skiers Choice, Moomba and Supra are their own companies under that umbrella. And they didn't want to do it.

sivs1
03-15-2019, 09:51 AM
man, I've been wrong and now corrected. I always thought the "big 3" everyone has been chasing were nautique, bu and mc.



I agree with those three as being the "Big 3" in the wake boat market. I was referring the the "Big 3" in the surf boat market. Of Bu could sneak in there and make it a "Big 4". Dammit sandm, just make it the "Big 9" like you suggest.

jason1973
03-15-2019, 10:11 AM
the big 3 to me are Natique, MC, and Malibu. Supra would make it the big 4 and we can agree on that. Really it should be the big 4.. the others have things to prove yet and certainly need more dealer network. I can buy any of the big 4 at multiple locations and dealerships. The others are quite hard to find.

ever wonder why no one talks about boats like MB? because there just isn't enough dealers. Same with Sanger, same with supreme and centurion. I am sure some states are loaded with dealers but all states usually have the big 4.

trayson
03-15-2019, 01:12 PM
I agree with those three as being the "Big 3" in the wake boat market. I was referring the the "Big 3" in the surf boat market. Of Bu could sneak in there and make it a "Big 4". Dammit sandm, just make it the "Big 9" like you suggest.

Have you seen a Mastercraft X24 or x26 in person? They're impressive to say the least. I haven't ridden one yet but could easily this summer. Do you not have any big MC dealers around you?

MJHSupra
03-15-2019, 01:36 PM
So far, good press on the X24, but I also hear that about the X22.
Most the the dedicated MC guys are moving up/down depending on their crew size.
Quite a few X23s for sale.

dakota4ce
03-15-2019, 04:22 PM
Have you seen a Mastercraft X24 or x26 in person? They're impressive to say the least. I haven't ridden one yet but could easily this summer. Do you not have any big MC dealers around you?

X26 needs a truckload of ballast to dish the goods. BAB with weak sauce factory ballast.

Gorgeous machines though.


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larry_arizona
03-15-2019, 04:34 PM
MC Towers are ugly


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jason1973
03-15-2019, 05:26 PM
MC Towers are ugly


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Couldn't agree more. Almost bought an xt20 but couldn't get past the tower. Not to mention hitting my head on it every time I entered the boat.

sandm
03-15-2019, 07:13 PM
Not to mention hitting my head on it every time I entered the boat.

I walked all over a supreme before buying my latest boat and same issue. when coming off the back sunpad stepping into the cabin the tower is RIGHT THERE...
someone should be shot for that design. not sure if the zs boats will fix that but the basic supreme 21ft'er is a joke in that respect.


back to the big-whatever debate. I would consider onlyinboards as a pretty good barometer for boat sales. I spent a lot of time last fall perusing the classifieds before buying our current boat and it really is just the big 3- mc/bu/nautty. I would bet they have the vast majority of the listings on there. sure Ian Brown has marketing data but he's not sharing it. supra/tige would be a close 4th but as mentioned I think part of their issue is availability. they are not as widely spread as the others. Las vegas is a decent market and you can only get supreme/bu/axis/nautty here. and wierdly the dealer that sells nautty/supreme doesn't stock/order centurion and a couple years ago they were moomba but not supra.

Matt0520
03-15-2019, 07:19 PM
Couldn't agree more. Almost bought an xt20 but couldn't get past the tower. Not to mention hitting my head on it every time I entered the boat.

Yep, one hundred percent agree. The only good thing about the NXT series is the Mastercraft name lol.




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larry_arizona
03-15-2019, 08:30 PM
However, I would not kick a MC XSTAR out of bed even with an ugly rack.


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TXSurf4
03-15-2019, 08:50 PM
MC Towers are ugly


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Completely agree!! They really are beautiful boats but the towers are ugly and the Bimini seems like an after thought. Pretty sad on boat of that caliber.


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